Will Kell Brook prove to be GGG's John Mugabi?

[boxingtruth]

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Written this piece on Saturday's fight with the message - could Brook be GGG's Mugabi? Sugar Ray Leonard finally agreed to fight Marvin Hagler after watching Marvin's war with John Mugabi. The bout his flaws were badly exposed. I wonder if Canelo and guys like that will react the same way to what happened in London on Saturday. Let me know your thoughts!

[boxing_rocks]

Golovkin's "flaws" were already exposed by Monroe and some other feather-fisted opponents. When Golovkin faces somebody who can't hurt him, he just walks through them ignoring defense.

[Baby Face Finster]

Golovkin's "flaws" were already exposed by Monroe and some other feather-fisted opponents. When Golovkin faces somebody who can't hurt him, he just walks through them ignoring defense.

Exactly. When he faced a fighter who had power like Lemieux he fought conservatively and didn't put himself in position to take flush shots. Easy to look flawed when you don't respect your opponents power and abandon defense to walk them down.

[Enlightened-One]

Golovkin explained his fighting style to a Daily Mail journalist:

‘I am a street fighter. I want brawls. Kell Brook is a boxer. A very good boxer. But it is a different style.

‘We gave London the drama fight I promised but I kept saying to him "come on, give me more".’

‘I don’t mind being hit by Kell. Crazy again? Maybe. But it opens him for me to hit him. He has good skills but I don’t feel his power. I like it because I know how the fight will end. The truth, he is not a middleweight.’

[Tanzio]

I think that this fight may have given certain fighters a bit of hope that 3G is aging. I think that Jacobs may think that he can come in and catch 3G cold in round 1. Others may see an opportunity to survive early with hopes of 3G tiring in the second half of the fight.

Nobody Middle or less stands much chance with 3G for the time being but time keeps grinding on. The clock is ticking on 3G.

[boxing_rocks]

I wouldn't literally take everything Golovkin says in English, as he still struggles with it, but those quotes correctly reflect the essence of what he was trying to say.

[amwsnw]

When GGG fought Geale i thought Geale may have the boxing ability/technique to trouble him because he was so easy to hit, but like so many before him Geale just didnt have the power to worry GGG one bit. GGG knew Geale lacked power so he didnt care if he got hit - much like Monroe and Brook. GGG fights how he has to. He's happy to take shots to get into a posi where he land his own. There is no one else in the middleweight division who can do such damage with one punch. GGG is a smart fighter with a good corner. His chin and power and just a big part of his armoury. Despite what Brook believes I didnt see GGG hurt during the bout.

[David.skold]

Golovkin's "flaws" were already exposed by Monroe and some other feather-fisted opponents. When Golovkin faces somebody who can't hurt him, he just walks through them ignoring defense.

Spot on. When wade fierd off a 4-5 punch combo Golovkin had his guard up and actually dropped his hands mid-combo. Just Big drama show.

[Tanzio]

When GGG fought Geale i thought Geale may have the boxing ability/technique to trouble him because he was so easy to hit, but like so many before him Geale just didnt have the power to worry GGG one bit. GGG knew Geale lacked power so he didnt care if he got hit - much like Monroe and Brook. GGG fights how he has to. He's happy to take shots to get into a posi where he land his own. There is no one else in the middleweight division who can do such damage with one punch. GGG is a smart fighter with a good corner. His chin and power and just a big part of his armoury. Despite what Brook believes I didnt see GGG hurt during the bout.

I didn't see 3G hurt either. I did see him show signs of being winded at moments. I also saw Brook muscle with him at times and drive him back. A bigger, harder punching man with great cardio could have a chance. 3G is not large enough to muscle around the big 168 pounders at this point.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I wouldn't say he was hurt, but Brook bothered him enough that he covered up briefly a couple times.

[jbizzle20]

No. Golovkin handled Brook pretty easily. Yes, Brook was the better boxer but it doesn't matter if those punches don't hurt Golovkin at all. Hagler-Mugabi was one of the most violent and brutal title fights in the history of gloved boxing, at any weight class. The pounding those two endured was almost superhuman at times. Mugabi went from being a top young fighter to an old man in one fight. Golovkin-Brook wasn't anywhere close to that.

[Tanzio]

No. Golovkin handled Brook pretty easily. Yes, Brook was the better boxer but it doesn't matter if those punches don't hurt Golovkin at all. Hagler-Mugabi was one of the most violent and brutal title fights in the history of gloved boxing, at any weight class. The pounding those two endured was almost superhuman at times. Mugabi went from being a top young fighter to an old man in one fight. Golovkin-Brook wasn't anywhere close to that.

I agree that the fights are not comparable, however, I think the real subject of the thread is whether certain boxers gained confidence that they could be victorious over 3G. Has the risk v reward equation been altered?

I believe that certain fighters (including Jacobs) may have drawn some confidence from the Brook fight. I definitely think that the top 168 pounders are no longer in awe (if they ever were).

[boxing_rocks]

So, fracturing opponent's skull in round 1 is supposed to make potential opponents confident ?

[Tanzio]

So, fracturing opponent's skull in round 1 is supposed to make potential opponents confident ?

No, what a blown up welter was able to accomplish in the first four rounds (with a fractured skull) probably did though.

[boxingtruth]

No. Golovkin handled Brook pretty easily. Yes, Brook was the better boxer but it doesn't matter if those punches don't hurt Golovkin at all. Hagler-Mugabi was one of the most violent and brutal title fights in the history of gloved boxing, at any weight class. The pounding those two endured was almost superhuman at times. Mugabi went from being a top young fighter to an old man in one fight. Golovkin-Brook wasn't anywhere close to that.

I agree that the fights are not comparable, however, I think the real subject of the thread is whether certain boxers gained confidence that they could be victorious over 3G. Has the risk v reward equation been altered?

I believe that certain fighters (including Jacobs) may have drawn some confidence from the Brook fight. I definitely think that the top 168 pounders are no longer in awe (if they ever were).

That was exactly my point mate. The fights themselves were different, but I'm talking about the impact of possible GGG opponents seeing what Brook was able to do, and thinking they themselves can take that a step further.

I think there's a protective bubble built around GGG by his fans. On a couple of occasions he was put on the back foot - not visibly hurt - by Brook. I don't think that's a slight on him. Brook is a good boxer.

[phillykid]

Although GGG'S performance was a little sloppy, it was still very impressive. We got to see what GGG can do when going for the KO early, which resulted in breaking Brook's face, literally. Not to mention GGG's laser-like jab, which landed almost at will at times vs. a slick boxer like Brook.

Brook definitely stunned him a little in that 2nd round, but it wasn't really anything that "exposed" GGG. That 2nd rnd. was more of a testament to Brook's skill, determination, and maybe also the urgency he felt to fight for his life, rather than the supposed flaws of GGG.

[boxingtruth]

Although GGG'S performance was a little sloppy, it was still very impressive. We got to see what GGG can do when going for the KO early, which resulted in breaking Brook's face, literally. Not to mention GGG's laser-like jab, which landed almost at will at times vs. a slick boxer like Brook.

Brook definitely stunned him a little in that 2nd round, but it wasn't really anything that "exposed" GGG. That 2nd rnd. was more of a testament to Brook's skill, determination, and maybe also the urgency he felt to fight for his life, rather than the supposed flaws of GGG.

Yeah, that's a fair observation. Urgency is a great point. Especially if he knew the eye was fucked. Overall, what an enjoyable fight.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Golovkin's "flaws" were already exposed by Monroe and some other feather-fisted opponents. When Golovkin faces somebody who can't hurt him, he just walks through them ignoring defense.

Before Monroe............... I seen his flaw's before/during The Geale fight same as I seen the flaw's in Tyson before Buster capitalised on it afew year's later every fighter's got flaw's the logical choice to really TEST GGG is Canelo but he isn't ready

[boxingtruth]

Golovkin's "flaws" were already exposed by Monroe and some other feather-fisted opponents. When Golovkin faces somebody who can't hurt him, he just walks through them ignoring defense.

Before Monroe............... I seen his flaw's before/during The Geale fight same as I seen the flaw's in Tyson before Buster capitalised on it afew year's later every fighter's got flaw's the logical choice to really TEST GGG is Canelo but he isn't ready

Cards on the table - Canelo comes through Smith on Saturday then has one middleweight fight, say against Billy Joe, and wins to setup the super fight. Does he have any chance of winning?

[boxing_rocks]

Canelo will likely fight his next fight this year at a catch-weight closer to 160 than 155, like 158, and it will likely be against Rosado vs Monroe winner. Then he will fight in May at 160, hopefully against somebody a little better.

[Counter-puncher]

Canelo will likely fight his next fight this year at a catch-weight closer to 160 than 155, like 158, and it will likely be against Rosado vs Monroe winner. Then he will fight in May at 160, hopefully against somebody a little better.

yeah, and we'll all lol as he insists that these gradual extra increments are to get used to the extra weight, tiny brave little lightmiddleweight that he is, courageously venturing north to figh the huge specimens at 160lbs.

[boxing_rocks]

Canelo will likely fight his next fight this year at a catch-weight closer to 160 than 155, like 158, and it will likely be against Rosado vs Monroe winner. Then he will fight in May at 160, hopefully against somebody a little better.

yeah, and we'll all lol as he insists that these gradual extra increments are to get used to the extra weight, tiny brave little lightmiddleweight that he is, courageously venturing north to figh the huge specimens at 160lbs.

Yes, that is a damage control theory by Oscar.

[boxing_rocks]

Brook wasn't Mugabi enough for Canelo:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/09/can ... -154-time/?

[Enlightened-One]

Brook wasn't Mugabi enough for Canelo:
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/09/can ... 154-time/?

To be perfectly honest, after all the bravado we’ve seen from Canelo during his Amir Khan post-fight interview, when GGG was invited to the ring, coupled with Oscar’s claims that GBP has verbally agreed with Tom Loeffler for Alvarez to face Golovkin in September 2017… if he now reneges on this promise and remains at 154lbs for the foreseeable future, then his reputation will almost certainly be tarnished severely and irreparably.

[jbizzle20]

No. Golovkin handled Brook pretty easily. Yes, Brook was the better boxer but it doesn't matter if those punches don't hurt Golovkin at all. Hagler-Mugabi was one of the most violent and brutal title fights in the history of gloved boxing, at any weight class. The pounding those two endured was almost superhuman at times. Mugabi went from being a top young fighter to an old man in one fight. Golovkin-Brook wasn't anywhere close to that.

I agree that the fights are not comparable, however, I think the real subject of the thread is whether certain boxers gained confidence that they could be victorious over 3G. Has the risk v reward equation been altered?

I believe that certain fighters (including Jacobs) may have drawn some confidence from the Brook fight. I definitely think that the top 168 pounders are no longer in awe (if they ever were).

I know but the point I was making is that Hagler also aged a lot from the Mugabi fight. Neither fighter was ever really the same after that. Because the Golovkin-Brook fight was so much less brutal, I don't see how Golovkin could have changed much after this one. Even Brook will probably be fine once he goes back to welter/superwelter. Of course, I will throw in the Roy Jones dropping back down from heavyweight reference. However, I doubt this is the same scenario since Brook is still pretty young and still has a lot left in tank.