Camp Eddies Business Model

[bripez]

Last weekends show clearly reiterated camp Eddies business model.

He goes on about getting his fighters opportunities - but they are fights that they are not expected to win.

As well as Brook and Charlie Edwards, the following boxers (just quickly off the top of my head) have been sent abroad to get good hidings - Lee Purdy, Darren Barker, Martin Murray, Boomer, Paul Smith, Steven Smith

In the meantime his number one golden goose Joshua is carefully matched at home.

Do the boxers realise that other than Joshua their role in this is just to be used to fill one of Joshua's cards to take all attention away from the level of Joshua's opponents and to make the bill look more competitive to justify PPV ?

In the meantime to keep them quiet they get offered (usually) IBF World Titles that they cannot win.

[kbackup408]

Last weekends show clearly reiterated camp Eddies business model.

He goes on about getting his fighters opportunities - but they are fights that they are not expected to win.

As well as Brook and Charlie Edwards, the following boxers (just quickly off the top of my head) have been sent abroad to get good hidings - Lee Purdy, Darren Barker, Martin Murray, Boomer, Paul Smith, Steven Smith

In the meantime his number one golden goose Joshua is carefully matched at home.

Do the boxers realise that other than Joshua their role in this is just to be used to fill one of Joshua's cards to take all attention away from the level of Joshua's opponents and to make the bill look more competitive to justify PPV ?

In the meantime to keep them quiet they get offered (usually) IBF World Titles that they cannot win.

This is interesting Eddie bangs on about his model and how good it is but in reality only two boxers from his stable have soaked it in Froch & AJ

[J]

load of bollox I am afraid.

Its called money, you think Purdy would have ever got a valid title shot? No so he got a big payday to fight away, its the way it works

[Ezzard]

Seems harsh to complain about a promoter getting his boxers fights with the very best in the world... Got to be better than knock over jobs.

[Tangerine]

You can add Bri Rose to that list aswell.Its a tough one with some fighters,Rose for example was never gonna get a payday like that if he was carrying on as he was.Now hes got a few quid albeit not massive money but its helpedhim buy a new gym and setup so fighters like him will be grateful for these opportunities.

[keirw]

I'm not a massive fan of Eddie, but people do tend to concentrate on the negatives a bit too much when discussing his practices.

Let's not forget that Brook, Degale and McDonnell all went overseas and won, announcing themselves on the world stage while they were at it.

Also, Burns, Selby, Crolla and Mitchell all had champions brought over to the UK.

The fact that true PPV stars are few and far between is more due to most boxers inability to excite the casual fans than Eddies lack of promotional ability.

[Dixonian]

Every fighter wants the opportunity to fight the best in the world. I'm sure they're all grateful to have had that chance and make some good money.

They can retire with no what-ifs.

[bripez]

Its called money, you think Purdy would have ever got a valid title shot? No so he got a big payday to fight away, its the way it works

Be nice mate, I am just trying to create a bit of a debate in my dinner hour !

[J]

apols fella

[bripez]

Every fighter wants the opportunity to fight the best in the world. I'm sure they're all grateful to have had that chance and make some good money.

They can retire with no what-ifs.

I agree with what you are saying and am not trying to deny a boxer an opportunity.

We hear a lot (from Eddie) about getting "life changing money" - but we don't know how much, particularly after all costs etc.

Who could deny Purdy his day in the spotlight, however how much did he actually end up with in his pocket and I wonder if the risk/reward is actually as good as Eddie makes out.

[nitro5912]

Every fighter wants the opportunity to fight the best in the world. I'm sure they're all grateful to have had that chance and make some good money.

They can retire with no what-ifs.

I agree with what you are saying and am not trying to deny a boxer an opportunity.

We hear a lot (from Eddie) about getting "life changing money" - but we don't know how much, particularly after all costs etc.

Who could deny Purdy his day in the spotlight, however how much did he actually end up with in his pocket and I wonder if the risk/reward is actually as good as Eddie makes out.

I would say life changing would probably be enough to pay the mortgage off for most people.

[middleweight]

Read somewhere s smith got 29k for his trip to New York, defo not life changing

[Horse]

I'm not a massive fan of Eddie, but people do tend to concentrate on the negatives a bit too much when discussing his practices.

Let's not forget that Brook, Degale and McDonnell all went overseas and won, announcing themselves on the world stage while they were at it.

Also, Burns, Selby, Crolla and Mitchell all had champions brought over to the UK.

The fact that true PPV stars are few and far between is more due to most boxers inability to excite the casual fans than Eddies lack of promotional ability.

I agree.

[bbjc]

Eddie does a lot of things right. But hes not a promotional banner you d want overlooking your 20 year old son for example. His main priority is getting the big fights pronto to make money or fill a card more than building a fighter. You d be better joining him at about 28/29 when you ve done your building and ready for the big oppertunities.

Wa rren was the other way milking his fighters but he wasnt far away with matching his fighters at the right time. Hearns has sacrificed a good few so far.

[domjon]

Must be why there's a queue of fighters rushing to leave him eh

[bbjc]

Theres a greed aspect to eddies business model for all involved. There going for the money first and foremost rather than building the career then letting the money take care of itself. Great oppertunities for a lot of the fighters who,d maybe never have got the oppertunity tho. Especially some of the older guys who were maybe not just short of being good enough..hes done well by them. But a few your left thinking...what is he doing. They could still build great careers as opposed to getting chucked in with someone above their level

[Crease]

In the meantime his number one golden goose Joshua is carefully matched at home.

First off, it was Charles Martin who called out AJ. AJ told Hearn that he wanted the fight. Eddie said in a lot of interviews before the World title shot that he was surprised that the big shot was coming so soon. That's hardly being "carefully matched".

In the meantime to keep them quiet they get offered (usually) IBF World Titles that they cannot win.

Charlie Edwards asked for the title shot, he was dead game for it... And Stuart Hall badly wanted the Haskins fight (to avenge an earlier defeat).
So what? Should Eddie Hearn apologise for giving fighters the fights that they actually want and have asked for?

[bbjc]

Must be why there's a queue of fighters rushing to leave him eh

Tbf hes got a monopoly. There really is only one option out there nowadays for fighters with having the sky contract.

[danamba7]

Must be why there's a queue of fighters rushing to leave him eh

Tbf hes got a monopoly. There really is only one option out there nowadays for fighters with having the sky contract.

That doesn't just happen by chance though. He's embraced the social media side of things and his over product is miles better than Fwank's IMO. He's just a better promoter.

[bbjc]

I agree with that. He is the better promotor. I actually like eddie had a massive say in british boxings recent upturn. But in terms of picking the right fights in building a boxers career. Frank was better at it. Tbf eddies business model isnt really geared towards building a career anyway. Its mostly short term gain instead of looking at the longer term.

The sky contract and ppv dates dictate it. Bit of a conflict of interest with being a great promoter imo. For me a promoter should be looking out for the boxers wellbeing a bit more.

But no doubt other people will have differing opinions on a promoters obligations.

[bripez]

Every fighter wants the opportunity to fight the best in the world. I'm sure they're all grateful to have had that chance and make some good money.

They can retire with no what-ifs.

I agree with what you are saying and am not trying to deny a boxer an opportunity.

We hear a lot (from Eddie) about getting "life changing money" - but we don't know how much, particularly after all costs etc.

Who could deny Purdy his day in the spotlight, however how much did he actually end up with in his pocket and I wonder if the risk/reward is actually as good as Eddie makes out.

I would say life changing would probably be enough to pay the mortgage off for most people.

How much is that though? - £50k, £100k, £1m ?

[keirw]

Read somewhere s smith got 29k for his trip to New York, defo not life changing

To be fair Stephen Smith earned his shot more than the likes of Paul Smith and Lee Purdy, and if he had won against Pedraza he would have got massive paydays afterwards.

[mickey1975]

Must be why there's a queue of fighters rushing to leave him eh

Tbf hes got a monopoly. There really is only one option out there nowadays for fighters with having the sky contract.

That doesn't just happen by chance though. He's embraced the social media side of things and his over product is miles better than Fwank's IMO. He's just a better promoter.

The monopoly has come about through Sky being driven mad dealing with four different promoters and Eddie being in prime position to take over due to his dad providing huge content for the channel in other sports. The darts is massive. As Parsons once said, Sky were more than prepared to get rid of boxing altogether. We should be grateful Eddie is a boxing fan.

[coneye]

Its all simple really

A trainers job is to get his fighter , in shape and teach him the skills needed to get him (boxer) has far as his ability will take him

A Managers job is to get his boxer , the easiest fights possible for the most money he can make , trying to take the fighter has far as his ability will take him

A Promoters job , is to make the best fights he can , usually hard fights and keep his paying public entertained for the money they pay , whilst at the same time maximizing his profits , in other words get the best fights he can for the lowest cost he can .

Its usually a balancing act , especielly with the guys who can sell tickets and PPV

[Autobarn]

I'm not a massive fan of Eddie, but people do tend to concentrate on the negatives a bit too much when discussing his practices.

Let's not forget that Brook, Degale and McDonnell all went overseas and won, announcing themselves on the world stage while they were at it.

Also, Burns, Selby, Crolla and Mitchell all had champions brought over to the UK.

The fact that true PPV stars are few and far between is more due to most boxers inability to excite the casual fans than Eddies lack of promotional ability.

Well said. It's standard to moan about the establishment.

We surely have more people winning world title fights away from home, than before, say in the FW era.

Though as a Jamie McDonnell fan, I find his lack of activity and hard away fights kind of frustrating. Hope they're negotiating the WBA "unification" with Rau 'she Warrento come over here but don't expect it.

McDonnell and Degale are surely due a homecoming, and a big fight homecoming at that. Not sure if the circumstances but they've surely earned it on the strength of their performances, winning close fights away.