Did Dominic Ingle make the correct decision ?

[los2]

didnt want him to carry on taking any more punches that's not the issue, the issue is his behaviour upon discovering his injury, finish the round and then let your corner know if its that bad, but don't start letting your opponent know in the middle of a round cos that's not proffessional

i bet youve got a shelf full of books on the kray twins and the guvnor etc etc..................

[littlepug]

didnt want him to carry on taking any more punches that's not the issue, the issue is his behaviour upon discovering his injury, finish the round and then let your corner know if its that bad, but don't start letting your opponent know in the middle of a round cos that's not proffessional

i bet youve got a shelf full of books on the kray twins and the guvnor etc etc..................

ha ha no mate im not that type ! just an avid boxing fan that gets on me soap box from time to time, hopefully with no offence caused in the process

[Rob3_142]

kudos to brook who was in an impossible situation but I still hold him to the same standards that I do everybody else, not saying he was a quitter but his reaction to it is a pet hate of mine, in the past I have seen the likes of Antonio margarita, tommy Morrison, Arthur Abraham and danny Williams among many others fight with injuries without making it a focal point of the fight and that is where the bar is set, and I wouldn't put too much into what you hear in interviews its pretty much always generic B.S

It is slightly different to a hand injury, dislocated shoulder or cuts. The guy was seeing double, he would to have been super human to get through a fight with double vision.

I think you are judging him extremely harsh considering the injury. Ask yourself how long could you last taking punches whilst seeing numerous visions of the man hitting you.

didnt want him to carry on taking any more punches that's not the issue, the issue is his behaviour upon discovering his injury, finish the round and then let your corner know if its that bad, but don't start letting your opponent know in the middle of a round cos that's not proffessional

Jesus, the guy had part of his skull shattered by the hardest puncher in the division. The injury was seemingly received in the second round, which he went on and won by the way, whilst matching Golovkin in the proceeding couple of rounds. The consensus is that Kell was trying to re-establish focus of his eye, I'm assuming to help his situation in the fight, but even if he wasn't I still don't believe that clutching his eye because it f*cking hurt has any bearing on his ability to be 'professional' during a fight. Opinion or not, you're just coming across as a total knob.

[Crease]

Perfect decision I reckon. A brutal KO could have had a terrible effect on Brook, mentally and physically. He lives to fight another day and has done himself no harm at all with that brave performance.

Agreed. Brook was waving GGG in for like the last 10/15 seconds of the fight and not throwing anything back. He would have got KO'd within the next 30 seconds and only god knows what more damage would have been inflicted.

[littlepug]

It is slightly different to a hand injury, dislocated shoulder or cuts. The guy was seeing double, he would to have been super human to get through a fight with double vision.

I think you are judging him extremely harsh considering the injury. Ask yourself how long could you last taking punches whilst seeing numerous visions of the man hitting you.

didnt want him to carry on taking any more punches that's not the issue, the issue is his behaviour upon discovering his injury, finish the round and then let your corner know if its that bad, but don't start letting your opponent know in the middle of a round cos that's not proffessional

Jesus, the guy had part of his skull shattered by the hardest puncher in the division. The injury was seemingly received in the second round, which he went on and won by the way, whilst matching Golovkin in the proceeding couple of rounds. The consensus is that Kell was trying to re-establish focus of his eye, I'm assuming to help his situation in the fight, but even if he wasn't I still don't believe that clutching his eye because it f*cking hurt has any bearing on his ability to be 'professional' during a fight. Opinion or not, you're just coming across as a total knob.

its just a personal thing mate, i just dont like fighters "pawing" at an injury like that, he did it against jones when he broke his nose and it just spurred jones on, am pretty sure margarito was in some pain fighting with the same injury against manny but just left it alone, look weve all got our bugbears in this game, thing we like and things we dont depending on what weve seen/experienced and that one is of mine, cant really see the problem with my veiw on this to be honest

[PsychoGamerTwo]

Of course he did. He saved his eye... whats the point in letting continue? If he weren't KO'd this round, it would have been the next. Or the 8th, 9th, 10th. No way Brook would have gone the distance & won, with his eye intact. Nor he would have KO'd GGG later.

[BigDoofus]

Can anyone enlighten me on who these two bitter ex-pros are?

[jamesmcdonnell]

didnt want him to carry on taking any more punches that's not the issue, the issue is his behaviour upon discovering his injury, finish the round and then let your corner know if its that bad, but don't start letting your opponent know in the middle of a round cos that's not proffessional

Jesus, the guy had part of his skull shattered by the hardest puncher in the division. The injury was seemingly received in the second round, which he went on and won by the way, whilst matching Golovkin in the proceeding couple of rounds. The consensus is that Kell was trying to re-establish focus of his eye, I'm assuming to help his situation in the fight, but even if he wasn't I still don't believe that clutching his eye because it f*cking hurt has any bearing on his ability to be 'professional' during a fight. Opinion or not, you're just coming across as a total knob.

its just a personal thing mate, i just dont like fighters "pawing" at an injury like that, he did it against jones when he broke his nose and it just spurred jones on, am pretty sure margarito was in some pain fighting with the same injury against manny but just left it alone, look weve all got our bugbears in this game, thing we like and things we dont depending on what weve seen/experienced and that one is of mine, cant really see the problem with my veiw on this to be honest

Everyone has different pain tolerances and psychological makeups.

[littlepug]

Can anyone enlighten me on who these two bitter ex-pros are?

behave yourself, this is a boxing forum for people to have open debate about the things that they are passionate about within the sport, i have been honest and open about my veiws and provided explanations for them, if you dont agree then you can debate it with me because believe it or not i have been known to change my veiws on certain thing based on arguments provided by rational posters, but if you want to go down a different road which i suspect you do then thats your perogative also

[Switch hitter]

Can anyone enlighten me on who these two bitter ex-pros are?

behave yourself, this is a boxing forum for people to have open debate about the things that they are passionate about within the sport, i have been honest and open about my veiws and provided explanations for them, if you dont agree then you can debate it with me because believe it or not i have been known to change my veiws on certain thing based on arguments provided by rational posters, but if you want to go down a different road which i suspect you do then thats your perogative also

Everyone has there own opinion.....weather it's right or wrong. Comments are open to debate not to go overboard and get silly

[BigDoofus]

Can anyone enlighten me on who these two bitter ex-pros are?

behave yourself, this is a boxing forum for people to have open debate about the things that they are passionate about within the sport, i have been honest and open about my veiws and provided explanations for them, if you dont agree then you can debate it with me because believe it or not i have been known to change my veiws on certain thing based on arguments provided by rational posters, but if you want to go down a different road which i suspect you do then thats your perogative also

Behave myself? You brought up the Jones fight as a weakness yet Brook fought 6 rounds struggling with a broken nose to ge t the win. You mention the "touching" or "dabbing" of an eye, yet ignore the fact that Brook came back in that round (one of the best rounds ever in a British boxing ring) to push back a ferocious-punching GREAT middleweight champion.
Famous boxers from around the world poured praise on Brook but you can't. What prejudices of yours prevent you from doing this?
Do you not like Brook? Is it his trainer? From reading the previous posts it would appear that another critic had an possible agenda.

[littlepug]

Can anyone enlighten me on who these two bitter ex-pros are?

behave yourself, this is a boxing forum for people to have open debate about the things that they are passionate about within the sport, i have been honest and open about my veiws and provided explanations for them, if you dont agree then you can debate it with me because believe it or not i have been known to change my veiws on certain thing based on arguments provided by rational posters, but if you want to go down a different road which i suspect you do then thats your perogative also

Behave myself? You brought up the Jones fight as a weakness yet Brook fought 6 rounds struggling with a broken nose to ge t the win. You mention the "touching" or "dabbing" of an eye, yet ignore the fact that Brook came back in that round (one of the best rounds ever in a British boxing ring) to push back a ferocious-punching GREAT middleweight champion.
Famous boxers from around the world poured praise on Brook but you can't. What prejudices of yours prevent you from doing this?
Do you not like Brook? Is it his trainer? From reading the previous posts it would appear that another critic had an possible agenda.

what is it you actually think im saying ? let me spell it out for you cos your just not getting it, brook did something in the GGG fight ( and against jones) that i happen to not like, and thats it, thats the top and the bottom of it, nothing more nothing less, what else brook did in those fights is totally irrelevant and has no bearing on anything im trying to say, brook showed visible worry/distress when he realised he was injured and i happen not to like seeing that reaction in a boxer and thats it, oh and im not a teenager so i dont really have fighters/trainers that i love/hate or childish prejudices against anyone in the sport im just an avid fan, to be honest mate i think ive been jumped on here a little for expresing my honest veiwpoint because you and a couple of others havent seem to have really taken the time to read my posts properly.

[dr_devious]

Kell got his eye bashed in by possibly the hardest punching MW ever. So what if he was pawing at his eye, he must have been in excrutiating pain. It didn't seem to me as if he was looking for a way out specifically

[GPTM1403]

Letting the mask slip only makes the night harder. I remember Foreman raging over Bowe lying down every time Golota hit him in the balls. His attitude was you absorb all pain and show your opponent nothing. Again, Tucker had his orbital bone shattered vs Seldon and carried himself as if walking to the shop for a paper. I don't mean to criticise Brook, his challenge was wonderful, I just feel his registering his injury so graphically possibly made his night worse. Cerdan went on against LaMotta with a broken arm! I just wonder if so much soft match making ultimately robs a potentially great talent of the classic boxing mental tricks necessary to wriggle through the rocky fights.

Wriggle through the rocky fights? He was fighting GGG, arguably one of the greatest of all time, and the absolute best of a generation. He broke his cheekbone in the second round, and according to the scorecards was ahead up until the 5th round. You don't mean to criticise Brook, but you are, unfairly. It seems to me that you haven't experienced high level competition, and ever an injury during.

The fight was going one direction, Brook's eye was visibly busted up, so it was no mystery to GGG why he was clutching it. All it was doing was illustrating a quite serious situation to his corner, and had he decided to 'poker face' Ingle might not have thrown the towel in when he did. You just need to accept and agree that the right decision was made, and the clutching of his eye only helped the right decision be reached.

he clutched at the eye during the fight and then again when he got back to his corner, in the corner is ok but not when your stood in front of your opponent

Yep cos when you're fighting a bludgeoning puncher why would you try to clear the vision in your eye, makes no sense at all, you're totally right

[Switch hitter]

He got a bad cut in the Porter fight that didn't seem to bother him ..... must have been that he broke a bone this time and had 4 GGG in front of him..... I think I would have been rubbing my eyes as well.

[coneye]

I think pawing and rubbing is just a natural reaction , But it does send a message to the other fighter , I would'nt go has far as to say its unprofesional , I suppose it depends on how serious Kell himself thought it was ,, Like i said i had mine broke and to be honest straight away i thought i had lost my eye ,, .

I posted earlier that if it was just a knock , with a big lump , Kell would'nt last in a war with Canelo ,because that fight with GGG ,would just show Kell is brave enough to go in for a big payday with the intention of 3-4 rnds and get out of there , but on the other hand if he really is having surgery, and his eye socket really is broke he was brave to carry on ,, not so much for pain has the rush of the fight would numb a lot of that , but to carry on knowing he could have a serious injury

Another poster said he was going in for surgery ,, what for, does anyone know , a plate below his eye could end his carreer , I'm not a doctor so i don;t know . but what i do know is A&E told me your break / fracture is above the eye so it will heal itself , if it was below the eye you would need a plate in to stop the eye dropping .

I suppose the reason were discussing this is because , just recently there has been a few , who have dogged it .. gave bad performances , took fights for the money and then come up with excuses , and x rays after ,

I know from where i sat it looked like Kell was in trouble and was looking at the corner and wanted out , wether he was badly injured or just relized when he could'nt hurt GGG and was getting hit he had bit of more than he could chew ,, i/m not sure , either way it was an entertaining boiut while it lasted and excatly what 99% of people thought would happen , at least he had a go and for that he got well paid so good on him

[BigDoofus]

what is it you actually think im saying ? let me spell it out for you cos your just not getting it, brook did something in the GGG fight ( and against jones) that i happen to not like, and thats it, thats the top and the bottom of it, nothing more nothing less, what else brook did in those fights is totally irrelevant and has no bearing on anything im trying to say, brook showed visible worry/distress when he realised he was injured and i happen not to like seeing that reaction in a boxer and thats it, oh and im not a teenager so i dont really have fighters/trainers that i love/hate or childish prejudices against anyone in the sport im just an avid fan, to be honest mate i think ive been jumped on here a little for expresing my honest veiwpoint because you and a couple of others havent seem to have really taken the time to read my posts properly.

It seems quite clear that a couple of posters don't want to give Brook any credit at all, yet prefer to concentrate on the huge "touching" or "dabbing" "focal point". Maybe another one will appear on the critical "blinking" issue.

On the thread comparing the fight to Hagler/Hearns you're disrespecting Brook again. Some fantastic ex-pros (Leonard, Holyfield and Froch!!!) heaped praise on Brook. It's a shame you're so bitter.

[littlepug]

what is it you actually think im saying ? let me spell it out for you cos your just not getting it, brook did something in the GGG fight ( and against jones) that i happen to not like, and thats it, thats the top and the bottom of it, nothing more nothing less, what else brook did in those fights is totally irrelevant and has no bearing on anything im trying to say, brook showed visible worry/distress when he realised he was injured and i happen not to like seeing that reaction in a boxer and thats it, oh and im not a teenager so i dont really have fighters/trainers that i love/hate or childish prejudices against anyone in the sport im just an avid fan, to be honest mate i think ive been jumped on here a little for expresing my honest veiwpoint because you and a couple of others havent seem to have really taken the time to read my posts properly.

It seems quite clear that a couple of posters don't want to give Brook any credit at all, yet prefer to concentrate on the huge "touching" or "dabbing" "focal point". Maybe another one will appear on the critical "blinking" issue.

On the thread comparing the fight to Hagler/Hearns you're disrespecting Brook again. Some fantastic ex-pros (Leonard, Holyfield and Froch!!!) heaped praise on Brook. It's a shame you're so bitter.

im not bitter, you've taken something ive said and ran with it without a second thought

[tobyh5]

I went to the fight and had a decent enough but not great seat. Sort of position where you could see the action well enough but would check the overhead screens occasionally for a close up to make sure you were seeing it right (was that a cut? Is his face swelling? Is that just vaseline on the face? Is he breathing heavy?)

At the venue I thought GGG was cutting the ring down superbly, took some shots that he should not have done but the feeling was that this was happening as he was happy to be a little more gung-ho as there was not enough firepower in front of him. We know how sturdy he is against solid punching middles, so a puffed up welter was highly unlikely to make a real dent. I thought Brook showed balls and heart, gave it a proper go and comes out with credit. I did feel he fell for a bit of a trap in the sense GGG empowered him to come forward at times with the success which only served in helping shorten the distance between them and GGG did mention Brook was good at getting his distance so that seems to have been how he dealt with it. I left impressed with GGG with all that I knew still there - relentless, powerful, strong, too big, fights on the front foot, good chin, stamina seems fine but maybe outright skills showed a couple chinks. I can see him being outboxed, or outpunched by someone elusive and fast who can stay out of danger. BUT he does cut that damn ring off like not many I have ever seen AND as said, he seemed to not care about defense as much as he would against a dangerous opponent.

Now I have watched the fight on youtube, I can see the stoppage was good. GGG was starting to work him over heavily, trapping him on the ropes, brushing off any return shots, unloading with him and wearing him down fast. Brook seemed to have lost his snap and was fighting hard to survive rather than win come the end.

[los2]

do you get points for a poker face?????...........0-19 record............maybe not........................

[littlepug]

do you get points for a poker face?????...........0-19 record............maybe not........................

whos that aimed at ? is it code for something ?

[Tomasino]

The fight was bummed up as a super fight, which it wasn't even close to. While I agree Dom saved Kell, it hardly covers Kell in glory basically quitting. Take Carmen Basillio coming up in weight to fight the great Ray Robinson. Had his eye completely smashed early on and gutted it out to almost win (lots at ringside had him winning). There was no showing out in that fight. Carmen's eye was far far worse than Brooks.

I understand the decision by Ingle but it seemed to me they were in that fight just for a pay day. Not to win the middleweight title.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The fight was bummed up as a super fight, which it wasn't even close to. While I agree Dom saved Kell, it hardly covers Kell in glory basically quitting. Take Carmen Basillio coming up in weight to fight the great Ray Robinson. Had his eye completely smashed early on and gutted it out to almost win (lots at ringside had him winning). There was no showing out in that fight. Carmen's eye was far far worse than Brooks.

I understand the decision by Ingle but it seemed to me they were in that fight just for a pay day. Not to win the middleweight title.

Bear in mind, Kell never intended to move up; he came in as a late sub because there was a TV date available, and Eubank Jr had refused to sign the contract. It's not like he'd said he intended to move up to 160 to win a title prior to being offered the fight.

He gave it what he had, and was clearly getting leathered, why let him continue in a fight, that they always knew his chances were very slim in.

Carmen Basilio and men of his era generally, took absolutely terrific punishment, I'm not sure many referees would allow a lot of those fights to carry on in this day and age. I doubt Marciano would have been allowed to continue with his nose hanging off against Ezzard Charles for instance.

[BigDoofus]

The fight was bummed up as a super fight, which it wasn't even close to. While I agree Dom saved Kell, it hardly covers Kell in glory basically quitting. Take Carmen Basillio coming up in weight to fight the great Ray Robinson. Had his eye completely smashed early on and gutted it out to almost win (lots at ringside had him winning). There was no showing out in that fight. Carmen's eye was far far worse than Brooks.

It was if you consider bruising to be worse than a fractured eye socket.
Basilio never won a title fight after.

[Tomasino]

The fight was bummed up as a super fight, which it wasn't even close to. While I agree Dom saved Kell, it hardly covers Kell in glory basically quitting. Take Carmen Basillio coming up in weight to fight the great Ray Robinson. Had his eye completely smashed early on and gutted it out to almost win (lots at ringside had him winning). There was no showing out in that fight. Carmen's eye was far far worse than Brooks.

It was if you consider bruising to be worse than a fractured eye socket.
Basilio never won a title fight after.

Basilios eye was shattered. Much worse than Brooks. Each to their own. I wasn't impressed with Kell in all honesty.