10 Random boxing things.

[Ambling Alp II]

Wow, those are random.

#2. Kessler held a couple of WBS titles going into the fight. He was a WBS Champion. It was a unification fight.
#4 -That is how Gatti fought in most of his fights throughout his career. Sometimes, he would start the fight trying to be a boxer, but would lapse into a brawler.
#10 De La Hoya at the age of 35 fought at a weight class that he had not fought at in 7 years; against one of the best fighters in the world who was much younger than him. That is not showing cowardice.

Totally agree that with #8 : Richard Frazier was pathetic. Jones had several other title defenses like this and the HBO announcers usually kept quiet about it.

[Tony1244]

3. I interpret that as Foreman didn't like Bowe. Compliments/insults between fighters are usually based on who they like. Kind of like women that way.

7. Can't say I really blame Savarese. KOing a former champion was one of Lou's biggest wins.

9. Key word is "claims." Sparring stories are like listening to your uncle talk about what a stud he was back in the day.

10. Just goes to show you that there are too many weight divisions, and size differences are, to a degree, overrated.

[Ambling Alp II]

3. I interpret that as Foreman didn't like Bowe. Compliments/insults between fighters are usually based on who they like. Kind of like women that way.

7. Can't say I really blame Savarese. KOing a former champion was one of Lou's biggest wins.

9. Key word is "claims." Sparring stories are like listening to your uncle talk about what a stud he was back in the day.

10. Just goes to show you that there are too many weight divisions, and size differences are, to a degree, overrated.

Got any randoms of your own if so number em and bring em.

3. These words were spoken during one of the Golota fights, George was right, very right, I don't recall noticing any dislike expressed by George during that fight but then again I wasn't listening with those ears.

7. This is true, in hindsight its sorta comical though I think.

9. Anyone have their amateur records? Perhaps they fought?

10. Disagree that there are too many weight divisions, its supposed to be a battle of skills not size.

You disagree that there are too many weight divisions?
Which "governing body" do you work for?

[APerno]

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10 Random Boxing Things: Sanctioning Bodies and Championship Belts

1. Before 1962 there were eight weight classifications and eight World Champions; The Ring Magazine added the Junior Welterweight and the Junior Lightweight classifications to its rankings in 1962; today there are five major sanctioning bodies,(WBC; WBA; WBO; IBF; IBO) each with 17 weight classes resulting in a possible 85 ‘World Champions.’

2. The WBC (claims it) chose to change the term Junior-welterweight to super-lightweight because Jose Sulaiman believed that referring to a champion as ‘junior’ was demeaning.

3. The WBO was formed in 1988 as a splinter group from the WBA after an internal power struggle during an annual convention.

4. The WBO is headquartered in San Juan, Puerto Rica; the WBA in Panama City, Panama; the WBC in Mexico City, Mexico, the IBO in Coral Gables, Florida, the IBF in Springfield Township, New Jersey.

5. The IBO uses the independent ratings of Boxrec for establishing its rankings, thus claiming to be the only non-bias sanctioning body.

6. The WBA is the oldest sanctioning body still in existence, was founded in the United States in 1921 as the NBA (National Boxing Association); it was created as a challenge to the New York State Athletic Commission’s (NYSAC) unchecked control over the fight game. It changed its name to the WBA in 1962 and eventually fled to Venezuela. Can you say tax shelter?

7. The first championship belt was awarded to Tom Cribb by King George III in 1810.

8. In 1887 the people of Boston presented a world championship belt to John L. Sullivan. The belt had a base of flat gold fifty inches long, twelve inches wide, with a center panel spelling out Sullivan’s name in diamonds; it was incrusted with an additional 397 diamonds, its estimated worth $10,000. (that’s 1887 dollars)

9. I entered a Fort Lauderdale bar a short time after Michael Dokes won the WBA title; he was hitting on the babes wearing his championship belt. The ladies were snickering at him; I spent the night denying I was a fight fan.

10. Boxing is the only major sport, (which ironically occurs in a ‘ring’) that does not issue championship rings to its champions. Wouldn’t it make sense for a boxing champion to have a championship ring on his FIST?


The 54th WBC Annual Convention will be held at the Diplomat Hotel, Hollywood, Florida on December 11th through the 17th. Be there – hide your wallet! (For me, it’s only an hour away; I might stop in for a laugh.)

[Tony1244]

3. I interpret that as Foreman didn't like Bowe. Compliments/insults between fighters are usually based on who they like. Kind of like women that way.

7. Can't say I really blame Savarese. KOing a former champion was one of Lou's biggest wins.

9. Key word is "claims." Sparring stories are like listening to your uncle talk about what a stud he was back in the day.

10. Just goes to show you that there are too many weight divisions, and size differences are, to a degree, overrated.

Got any randoms of your own if so number em and bring em.

3. These words were spoken during one of the Golota fights, George was right, very right, I don't recall noticing any dislike expressed by George during that fight but then again I wasn't listening with those ears.

7. This is true, in hindsight its sorta comical though I think.

9. Anyone have their amateur records? Perhaps they fought?

10. Disagree that there are too many weight divisions, its supposed to be a battle of skills not size.

You disagree that there are too many weight divisions?
Which "governing body" do you work for?

I don't think I've ever heard of a boxing fan who doesn't think they're too many weight divisions. 130 LBS and 135 LBS. Seriously?

[littlepug]

Got any randoms of your own if so number em and bring em.

3. These words were spoken during one of the Golota fights, George was right, very right, I don't recall noticing any dislike expressed by George during that fight but then again I wasn't listening with those ears.

7. This is true, in hindsight its sorta comical though I think.

9. Anyone have their amateur records? Perhaps they fought?

10. Disagree that there are too many weight divisions, its supposed to be a battle of skills not size.

You disagree that there are too many weight divisions?
Which "governing body" do you work for?

I don't think I've ever heard of a boxing fan who doesn't think they're too many weight divisions. 130 LBS and 135 LBS. Seriously?

I also don't think theres too many, I am constantly having this argument with lads that have never boxed before and just don't understand the role weight plays in boxing, you try boxing at 130lbs for a while then move up to 135lbs and try telling me theres not a big difference in size and strength, and yes this also applies to the divisions around fly cos those few pounds down there make a world of difference, hankering after the old days is futile, didn't anyone think the game would change and evolve over time ? we may as well bring back 20 rounders if we are getting all nostalgic about it.

[Tony1244]

You disagree that there are too many weight divisions?
Which "governing body" do you work for?

I don't think I've ever heard of a boxing fan who doesn't think they're too many weight divisions. 130 LBS and 135 LBS. Seriously?

I also don't think theres too many, I am constantly having this argument with lads that have never boxed before and just don't understand the role weight plays in boxing, you try boxing at 130lbs for a while then move up to 135lbs and try telling me theres not a big difference in size and strength, and yes this also applies to the divisions around fly cos those few pounds down there make a world of difference, hankering after the old days is futile, didn't anyone think the game would change and evolve over time ? we may as well bring back 20 rounders if we are getting all nostalgic about it.

I hear you but if a guy at 130 can't beat a guy at 135 is weight really the problem? Another problem is some fighters starve themselves to make weight, so they come in weak and look emaciated.

Don't get me wrong, I think there should be change with the times. Cruiserweight division for example. But too many weight classes causes the average fan to lose interest and perhaps more importantly it keeps good match ups from occurring.

[littlepug]

I don't think I've ever heard of a boxing fan who doesn't think they're too many weight divisions. 130 LBS and 135 LBS. Seriously?

I also don't think theres too many, I am constantly having this argument with lads that have never boxed before and just don't understand the role weight plays in boxing, you try boxing at 130lbs for a while then move up to 135lbs and try telling me theres not a big difference in size and strength, and yes this also applies to the divisions around fly cos those few pounds down there make a world of difference, hankering after the old days is futile, didn't anyone think the game would change and evolve over time ? we may as well bring back 20 rounders if we are getting all nostalgic about it.

I hear you but if a guy at 130 can't beat a guy at 135 is weight really the problem? Another problem is some fighters starve themselves to make weight, so they come in weak and look emaciated.

Don't get me wrong, I think there should be change with the times. Cruiserweight division for example. But too many weight classes causes the average fan to lose interest and perhaps more importantly it keeps good match ups from occurring.

the weight makes a difference but some are good enough to take the leap, suppose what im getting at is that every fighter has his ideal fighting weight and the more divisions there are the more chance you got of everybody slotting nicely into a division that gets the best out of them but even then some guys best weight falls between divisions but you cant accomadate everyone can you ? would actually be interesting to go back to the original 8 to see if it would work in the modern game.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- So many things go wrong when expanded random streaming, steaming consciousness assumes duties from the analytical, logical function.

Kessler was the undefeated prime WBA/WBC super champ which carried more weight than Joe's WBO title and no amount of dreaming can change that.

The Jr Welt title goes back to 1926 with Mushy Callahan who was beat by Kid Berg who was beat by Tony Canzoneri who was beat by Barney Ross before entering sputtering phase until resurrected for good in the 60s.

Vitali and Wlad refused to do business with King and eventually drove him out of the heavyweight division. Valuev was just a pawn and his 6 questionable wins trump any 6 spoiled random prawns anyday.

Jimmy Barry a turn of the century undefeated dynamo held the claimed 100/102/105 lb titles and fought Walter Croot in England for the vacant 108 lb paperweight title that he won by KO. Croot died of a fractured skull when he landed on the unpadded deck, so Barry was charged with manslaughter and then exonerated the next day. That result led to the now standard padded canvas. Jimmy was 57-0-2 with 40 KO, but was so personally devastated that he finished with 2 weak decisions and 8 consecutive draws since he could never again bring himself to unleash his full force

Jack Johnson was on the first leg of pursuing Tommy Burns on his world tour when he landed in England where the National Sporting Club financed the rest Johnson's title quest with a contractual provision that he would return and defend his title against Sam Langford. Johnson beat Burns and then beat up his manager to take his cut and hightailed it to Vancouver instead, never returning to England again. Langford was invited over two years later to come off the canvas to KO Brit heavy champ Iron Hague for his title. The week before Johnson defended his title against middleweight Philly Jack Obrien with a morbid draw. Sam never defended his Brit title.

When TUE announced his retirement in advance of his biggest payday ever for the Oscar rematch, he lit into Oscar and HBO saying he would work for slave wages no more and was retiring to tend to his billion dollar investments. Manny moved up two divisions to take that Oscar fight and TUE was back in two years to make Marquez move up two divisions at a 144lb catchweight TUE didn't bother to make at 146 lbs.


Oh, and the IRS seized TUE's purse that fight and a portion of his Mosley purse for back taxes that his claimed billions couldn't pay around the same time his recording studio was given the boot for failures to pay rent.

[Counter-puncher]

- So many things go wrong when expanded random streaming, steaming consciousness assumes duties from the analytical, logical function.
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An excellent summary of your posting style

[Cholo_cws]

Re. 2. Calzaghe-Kessler. Please expand...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'm fine with the divisions, way too many champions.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

9. Odlanier Solis claimed to have been able to hit Luis Ortiz at will, Luis did M Barret in 4 Solis did him in 2, perhaps?

Someone who has a better grasp of that era in Cuban amateur heavyweight boxing can hopefully give us the facts but it wouldn't surprise me - as is my understanding Ortiz was pretty much always the bridesmaid when it came to elite tournaments, selection for Worlds / Olympics etc. While Ortiz looks the better pro so far there's good reason he didn't turn over with the same level of hype that Solis had.

[Tony1244]

Got any randoms of your own? If so bring em. [quote="RandomUsername"][

I'm a bit ADHD, I should be good for some "randoms:"


1. In 1990, Richard Steele stopped a fight with seconds to go between Julio Cesar Chavez SR. and Meldrick Taylor. Always sthought the stoppage was questionable at best.

2. George Foreman's 2nd career, or 3rd, depending on how you count them, he went 31(26)-3(0). But what's truly remarkable is the old guy never got knocked down even once !

3. Watch Frazier's inside jab against Ali and Ali's left hook/uppercut, in their first fight, they're both pretty good.

4. Duran's defense against Leonard in their 1st fight was very underrated.

5. Joe Bugner could have been the Jimmy Young against George Foreman.

6. Duane Bobick could have been the Leon Spinks against Muhammad Ali.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Andy Price beat Cuevas & Palomino but never fought for a world title.

[Tony1244]

Ron Lyle was ahead on 2 scorecards and even on the other against The Greatest Muhammad Ali after 10 rounds.

Another weird tidbit is that Lyle lost his previous fight to Jimmy Young by unanimous decision. I believe 1 judge may have scored it a Jimmy Young Shutout!

[Tony1244]

Andy Price beat Cuevas & Palomino but never fought for a world title.

I remember reading in the mags that Price had a very good record. This was long before youtube of course and then I see him for the first time and SR Leonard KOd him in like 28 seconds, right?

[Counter-puncher]

Andy Price beat Cuevas & Palomino but never fought for a world title.

That's a good one, I vaguely know the name, thats all, wins over Cuevas and Palomino are no joke.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Andy Price beat Cuevas & Palomino but never fought for a world title.

I remember reading in the mags that Price had a very good record. This was long before youtube of course and then I see him for the first time and SR Leonard KOd him in like 28 seconds, right?

It was quick, I knew him from reading magazines but I had never seen him fight.