Should GGG move up in weight ?

kbackup408 · Post by **kbackup408** » 15 Sep 2016, 10:32

Its getting more and more obvious that people just do not want to say face Golovkin, people make videos about "how much they want to fight" but when it comes to signing the dotted lines they pull out ?

Should Golovkin move up? Does he clean up 168? Potential opponents?

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 15 Sep 2016, 10:39

kbackup408 wrote:Its getting more and more obvious that people just do not want to say face Golovkin, people make videos about "how much they want to fight" but when it comes to signing the dotted lines they pull out ?

Should Golovkin move up? Does he clean up 168? Potential opponents?

No, clean up and get all the belts while beating the likes of Canelo first. Don't make the mistake Brook made. Brook can never go back to 147 and beat Thurman, Garcia, Pacquiao, maybe even a fight with Floyd. Now we know he would've been a live dog against them all but those fights can never happen below 154 now that he's moved up two weight classes.

kbackup408 · Post by **kbackup408** » 15 Sep 2016, 10:49

IKSRTFO wrote:
kbackup408 wrote:Its getting more and more obvious that people just do not want to say face Golovkin, people make videos about "how much they want to fight" but when it comes to signing the dotted lines they pull out ?

Should Golovkin move up? Does he clean up 168? Potential opponents?
No, clean up and get all the belts while beating the likes of Canelo first. Don't make the mistake Brook made. Brook can never go back to 147 and beat Thurman, Garcia, Pacquiao, maybe even a fight with Floyd. Now we know he would've been a live dog against them all but those fights can never happen below 154 now that he's moved up two weight classes.

interesting mate, don't get me wrong would love it if GGG totally wipes out MW and becomes the undisputed champ but I just don't think Canelo will fight him anytime soon

Do you think "IF' GGG moves up he will carry his power to Super Middleweight ?

twlyall · Post by **twlyall** » 15 Sep 2016, 10:53

I definitely believe he should stay.

Because:

1. MW shouldn't be drying out for Golovkin for the next couple of years – at which time he will be 36-37 years anyway (and then why should he move up then?) .
2. What is really there for him at SMW that he cannot get at MW? Yes, you'll have "big" names such as DeGale, Ramirez, Groves, Jack etc., but firstly: Who's to say that they want to fight Golovkin, and secondly: Do those names really guarantee more money, fame, appraisal and legacy than the top names at MW? I dont think so.
3. Who's to say how MW develop in the years to come? Has Quillin reestablished himself? Has Eubank enhanced his status? Has Sulecki evolved further? Has top JMWs moved up? Golovkin should stick around and find out.
4. He is a natural 160. In camp and outside it seems.

phillykid · Post by **phillykid** » 15 Sep 2016, 10:55

lol he doesn't need Canelo at all, not for his legacy and obviously not for a belt.

I think GGG should stay at middleweight for another year atleast, and continue pursuing fights with Jacobs and Saunders.

Those two fights will add to his legacy and belt collection.

jujigatame · Post by **jujigatame** » 15 Sep 2016, 10:57

No. First of all, he's not that big for a MW, it's not like he has trouble making weight or anything. Second of all, what big fights for him are at 168? Unless Ward is willing to come back down, who is there? Zurdo? DeGale? Are those really bigger fights than Jacobs/Canelo/Lara/Eubank/Saunders?

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 15 Sep 2016, 11:26

I've voted yes, but tentatively.

Unfortunately for him, he's surrounded by pu$$ies at 160 that are all hiding behind their sofas at the prospect of fighting Golovkin.

They all tweet a good game, but never sign on the dotted line when the time comes.

It took a career welterweight who'd never even hinted at going up to 160 to show those pansies how to sign a contract.

I'm inclined to say that although he is undoutedly the number 1 MW in the world, he hasn't had a defining fight yet, he should stick around, but as no-one wants to fight him, what can he do?

Maybe he should go up & test himself against some bigger beasts.

kbackup408 · Post by **kbackup408** » 15 Sep 2016, 11:35

Syntax Error wrote:I've voted yes, but tentatively.

Unfortunately for him, he's surrounded by pu$$ies at 160 that are all hiding behind their sofas at the prospect of fighting Golovkin.

They all tweet a good game, but never sign on the dotted line when the time comes.

It took a career welterweight who'd never even hinted at going up to 160 to show those pansies how to sign a contract.

I'm inclined to say that although he is undoutedly the number 1 MW in the world, he hasn't had a defining fight yet, he should stick around, but as no-one wants to fight him, what can he do?

Maybe he should go up & test himself against some bigger beasts.

Much respect for saying it how it is, I think if GGG wants to test himself 168 would be a good call

Grant · Post by **Grant** » 15 Sep 2016, 11:39

Nothing wrong with staying at one weight. I have more respect for a guy that unifies a title than one that chases pieces of titles over a multitude of divisions.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Sep 2016, 11:47

phillykid wrote:lol he doesn't need Canelo at all, not for his legacy and obviously not for a belt.

I think GGG should stay at middleweight for another year atleast, and continue pursuing fights with Jacobs and Saunders.

Those two fights will add to his legacy and belt collection.

not sure he'll get either of those fights though.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 15 Sep 2016, 11:52

kbackup408 wrote:Its getting more and more obvious that people just do not want to say face Golovkin, people make videos about "how much they want to fight" but when it comes to signing the dotted lines they pull out ?

I’m not sure if I wholeheartedly agree with this, because now that UK SKY TV are involved and there are still a few Brits for GGG to face, you could see him share the ring with the likes of Eubank Jr., Saunders and DeGale. The reason being, is that there’s more money involved.

Put it this way, Golovkin earned about double his career-high fight purse last weekend… and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

If the UK fans are willing to continue watching Golovkin on PPV, then it’ll be much easier to persuade fighters to face him.

It’s plain to see that HBO and K2 have not funded anywhere near the fight purses that SKY and Matchroom have been offering.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:10

Past a one off for a big fight that currently doesn't exist, no. He's a small middleweight in today's sport.

Ilya Muromets · Post by **Ilya Muromets** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:15

It would be entirely up to him if he wants to move up. If he ever feels that his natural body weight has increased and it is becoming a struggle to make weight he could even move up to light heavy. That would be interesting. He seems to be comfortable at his present weight though I think.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:20

twlyall wrote:I definitely believe he should stay.

Because:

1. MW shouldn't be drying out for Golovkin for the next couple of years – at which time he will be 36-37 years anyway (and then why should he move up then?) .
2. What is really there for him at SMW that he cannot get at MW? Yes, you'll have "big" names such as DeGale, Ramirez, Groves, Jack etc., but firstly: Who's to say that they want to fight Golovkin, and secondly: Do those names really guarantee more money, fame, appraisal and legacy than the top names at MW? I dont think so.
3. Who's to say how MW develop in the years to come? Has Quillin reestablished himself? Has Eubank enhanced his status? Has Sulecki evolved further? Has top JMWs moved up? Golovkin should stick around and find out.
4. He is a natural 160. In camp and outside it seems.

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:43

He should move up AFTER

- getting the remaining MW belt
- beating Jacobs
- beating Canelo if he stops hiding

Preferably, he could also beat Eubank Jr. All these 3-4 fights can happen within 18-24 months.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:43

phillykid wrote:lol he doesn't need Canelo at all, not for his legacy and obviously not for a belt.

I think GGG should stay at middleweight for another year atleast, and continue pursuing fights with Jacobs and Saunders.

Those two fights will add to his legacy and belt collection.

He needs Canelo for his bank balance- hence why they're chasing the fight so hard.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:46

lefty wrote:
phillykid wrote:lol he doesn't need Canelo at all, not for his legacy and obviously not for a belt.

I think GGG should stay at middleweight for another year atleast, and continue pursuing fights with Jacobs and Saunders.

Those two fights will add to his legacy and belt collection.
He needs Canelo for his bank balance- hence why they're chasing the fight so hard.

Are they? He didn't mention his name after the brook fight and won't be in texas Saturday. He wanted that belt more than the money.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:50

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
lefty wrote:
phillykid wrote:lol he doesn't need Canelo at all, not for his legacy and obviously not for a belt.

I think GGG should stay at middleweight for another year atleast, and continue pursuing fights with Jacobs and Saunders.

Those two fights will add to his legacy and belt collection.
He needs Canelo for his bank balance- hence why they're chasing the fight so hard.
Are they? He didn't mention his name after the brook fight and won't be in texas Saturday. He wanted that belt more than the money.

Why do they (his team) still want the fight then even though Canelo no longer has the belt? Why's there this gentleman's agreement for a bout in September 2017?

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:50

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
lefty wrote:
phillykid wrote:lol he doesn't need Canelo at all, not for his legacy and obviously not for a belt.

I think GGG should stay at middleweight for another year atleast, and continue pursuing fights with Jacobs and Saunders.

Those two fights will add to his legacy and belt collection.
He needs Canelo for his bank balance- hence why they're chasing the fight so hard.
Are they? He didn't mention his name after the brook fight and won't be in texas Saturday. He wanted that belt more than the money.

Golovkin himself clearly lost respect and interest to Canelo. Loefler and Sanchez will persuade him to change his opinion if Canelo stops hiding.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:52

lefty wrote:
phillykid wrote:lol he doesn't need Canelo at all, not for his legacy and obviously not for a belt.

I think GGG should stay at middleweight for another year atleast, and continue pursuing fights with Jacobs and Saunders.

Those two fights will add to his legacy and belt collection.
He needs Canelo for his bank balance- hence why they're chasing the fight so hard.

GGG's making damn near as much bank as Canelo is now for his fights, he probably doesn't really give a sh*t if Canelo fights him anymore or not, but I'm sure he'd still jump at the chance to sign it if Canelo makes him an offer, but if Canelo comes with some 80/20 Purse split horseshit I doubt Golovkin goes for that. GGG has plenty of options right now, and he just opened up a whole new market for himself with at least 2 more big fights potentially awaiting him in the U.K. maybe as many as 4. He really doesn't need Canelo now. Canelo's lost bargaining power lately, and he'll lose more when the PPV numbers for his fight this weekend are a big letdown.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:53

lefty wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
lefty wrote: He needs Canelo for his bank balance- hence why they're chasing the fight so hard.
Are they? He didn't mention his name after the brook fight and won't be in texas Saturday. He wanted that belt more than the money.
Why do they (his team) still want the fight then even though Canelo no longer has the belt? Why's there this gentleman's agreement for a bout in September 2017?

Because it's a big fight. If he's chasing it so hard why didn't he utter a word about him?

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:54

lefty wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
lefty wrote: He needs Canelo for his bank balance- hence why they're chasing the fight so hard.
Are they? He didn't mention his name after the brook fight and won't be in texas Saturday. He wanted that belt more than the money.
Why do they (his team) still want the fight then even though Canelo no longer has the belt? Why's there this gentleman's agreement for a bout in September 2017?

Canelo is still the lineal Middleweight Champion, and still a big money draw. I'm sure Golovkin would like to kick his ass for those reasons, but I don't hear him talking about Canelo anymore because he knows Canelo is a chickensh*t who probably won't fight him.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 15 Sep 2016, 12:57

He wants Saunders more than canelo. Canelo being the lineal champion shows how useless that claim is in this era.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 15 Sep 2016, 13:05

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He wants Saunders more than canelo. Canelo being the lineal champion shows how useless that claim is in this era.

Yeah it's definitely become pathetic when 2 of your Lineal Champions are cowards that don't want the best in their divisions, but it still means something to traditionalists. The Title lineage at Middleweight dates back to the Undisputed reign Hopkins established in 2001 so I'd like to see it keep going, but chances are something breaks it soon anyhow.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 15 Sep 2016, 13:05

gilgamesh wrote:GGG's making damn near as much bank as Canelo is now for his fights...

No he's not. GGG got paid a combined total of $6m for his last two bouts. Canelo may have doubled or trebled that sum for his bout against Khan alone, when his cut of the PPV revenue is taken into consideration with his $3.5m guaranteed purse.