Who would be the last man you would get in a ring with?

[davie]

I just stated on another thread, that if there was one man in the history of the sport I would not like to be trapped in a ring with, it would be Joe Frazier.
Not the best, not in my ATG top 20, not no 1 in a number of categories.
But I just think his style would be heart breaking to fight. The relentless pressure, the ability to walk through everything you throw (unless you're big George of course) and keep laying into you.
The body work, the hooks and uppercuts on the inside, if he doesn't hit you hard enough to stop you with single shots, it would break you down and break the strongest of wills.
I can't think of any other fighter that would have made the greatest consider quiting on his stool.

Who, if you were a fighter, would you avoid like the plague? And why???

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Holyfield

[gilgamesh]

Since I'm not a fighter, and therefore just about any vicious fast starting fighter would a nightmare for me to be stuck in the ring with. I'd go with either Mike Tyson or Sonny Liston...I'm sure I'd last less than a minute against both of them even if I had months to train for both fights

Of course that probably goes for several other fighters as well, but I know damn well those guys would jump on me without mercy.

[Tomasino]

I just stated on another thread, that if there was one man in the history of the sport I would not like to be trapped in a ring with, it would be Joe Frazier.
Not the best, not in my ATG top 20, not no 1 in a number of categories.
But I just think his style would be heart breaking to fight. The relentless pressure, the ability to walk through everything you throw (unless you're big George of course) and keep laying into you.
The body work, the hooks and uppercuts on the inside, if he doesn't hit you hard enough to stop you with single shots, it would break you down and break the strongest of wills.
I can't think of any other fighter that would have made the greatest consider quiting on his stool.

Who, if you were a fighter, would you avoid like the plague? And why???

Rocky Marciano.

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Pernell Whitaker.

He won't hurt you, but he'd make you look so useless that you'd never want to fight again!

[littlepug]

tommy hearns

[bbjc]

On a slightly lower level...a young ricky hatton. Really knew how to work you over. Was on you every minute. Them body shots as well.

[littlepug]

zack padilla, talk about not getting a breather !

[elmersalsa]

I wouldn't fight the great Tommy Hearns at 154lbs that's for sure...No way!

Another one would be the great Carlos Monzon at middleweight. He will punish you to death each round that passes. I don't want to be hit often in every round.....No way!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

While I find his resume to be terribly overrated, I'd hate to be the Willard that faced Dempsey.

[Cygnus475]

You'd have to pay me tens of millions to fight a prime roy jones. At least with a slugger you can see the punches coming and brace yourself or turtle up. Roy Jones was not only hitting you with blinding speed, he used all those awkward angles that made it even harder to see the punch coming. Combine that with the fact he was almost impossible to hit cleanly in his prime and that he'll toy with and humiliate you means I'm gonna be twice as pissed off and in constant fear of getting blasted out.

Also agree with OP who said Joe Frazier. No amount of money would be worth it because of the accumulative damage he'd do battering you, smashing your insides, crushing your jaw and ribs with hooks and body shots, ignoring your shots or bobbing past them, etc. I'd rather be taken out in one shot or go the distance with aches and pains, no thanks.

[Bodyshot3]

Nigel Benn in a foul mood and having taken a deep personal dislike to me.
The guy hit to hurt and in certain situations Nigel was pretty cold and merciless.

[Kalan]

I just stated on another thread, that if there was one man in the history of the sport I would not like to be trapped in a ring with, it would be Joe Frazier.
Not the best, not in my ATG top 20, not no 1 in a number of categories.
But I just think his style would be heart breaking to fight. The relentless pressure, the ability to walk through everything you throw (unless you're big George of course) and keep laying into you.
The body work, the hooks and uppercuts on the inside, if he doesn't hit you hard enough to stop you with single shots, it would break you down and break the strongest of wills.
I can't think of any other fighter that would have made the greatest consider quiting on his stool.

Who, if you were a fighter, would you avoid like the plague? And why???

Frazier was easily manageable by a big, powerhouse Heavyweight with 45's and uppercuts. Very easy for Foreman to hit, a mouth watering target who led with his head, like Ken Norton .... Tyson was almost as wide open a target as Frazier, but bigger, stronger, and faster. Little Mike was dead meat for Douglas and Lewis, who couldn't wait to get at him .... Dempsey and Foreman were easy marks for a brilliant jabber with a rifle right .... Johnson was very difficult to hit cleanly, but not very big at 6'1" X 208 in perfect condition for Jeffries. I see JJ having problems with bigger, taller, very skillful boxers with much big reach advantages .... Tunney was too small. 192 at his heaviest ... Louis could be outboxed by any Heavyweight with Billy Conn's skills combined with tremendous height, weight, and reach. Bear in mind that Conn could be hit. He lost 11 fights .... Ali lost to Norton and Frazier and wasn't a scary boxer or puncher. Too easy for skilled boxers to hit .... Holmes was a great boxer, but not a great puncher. He hit the deck from hard rights 3 or 4 times .... Lewis was a great boxer-puncher with tremendous height, size, reach, and strength, but LL could be reached by a good right hand puncher. Lewis could be taken out with 1 shot anytime from round 1 to round 12. He was vulnerable .... Wladimir Klitschko always seemed hesitant and scared. He's reluctant to get back in the ring with fat and flabby Fury after losing badly .... Vitali Kltschko had badly battered legs from Kickboxing that bothered him his whole career. As a result he was a bit stiff and slow.

At the present time I don't see any holes in the game of Anthony Joshua... He has height, weight, reach, speed, skills, and resistance... He has an inside game, an outside game, a body attack, a strong defense, great balance, timing, and the best right counter shot in the division... He has the height, size, and strength of a Klitschko; the chin of Dempsey; the speed and power of Tyson; the jab of Holmes; the reach of Lewis; the cleverness of Tunney; the conditioning of Wladimir; and the perseverance of Holyfield.

Don't tell me how green AJ is or that it's too early to rate him... Tell me where he has more holes in his game than the above ATG Heavyweights. What punch is AJ lacking? What does he get hit with? What would he get hit with if he faced Fury, Wlad, or Ortiz? Anything that might drop him? I don't see how they get to him. Who has been able to reach him, floor him, stop him, or pound on him? Nobody has come close. I see a slight problem if he fought Ortiz right now---but I don't see that fight happening for 2 years.

[davie]

I just stated on another thread, that if there was one man in the history of the sport I would not like to be trapped in a ring with, it would be Joe Frazier.
Not the best, not in my ATG top 20, not no 1 in a number of categories.
But I just think his style would be heart breaking to fight. The relentless pressure, the ability to walk through everything you throw (unless you're big George of course) and keep laying into you.
The body work, the hooks and uppercuts on the inside, if he doesn't hit you hard enough to stop you with single shots, it would break you down and break the strongest of wills.
I can't think of any other fighter that would have made the greatest consider quiting on his stool.

Who, if you were a fighter, would you avoid like the plague? And why???

Frazier was easily manageable by a big, powerhouse Heavyweight with 45's and uppercuts. Very easy for Foreman to hit, a mouth watering target who led with his head, like Ken Norton .... Tyson was almost as wide open a target as Frazier, but bigger, stronger, and faster. Little Mike was dead meat for Douglas and Lewis, who couldn't wait to get at him .... Dempsey and Foreman were easy marks for a brilliant jabber with a rifle right .... Johnson was very difficult to hit cleanly, but not very big at 6'1" X 208 in perfect condition for Jeffries. I see JJ having problems with bigger, taller, very skillful boxers with much big reach advantages .... Tunney was too small. 192 at his heaviest ... Louis could be outboxed by any Heavyweight with Billy Conn's skills combined with tremendous height, weight, and reach. Bear in mind that Conn could be hit. He lost 11 fights .... Ali lost to Norton and Frazier and wasn't a scary boxer or puncher. Too easy for skilled boxers to hit .... Holmes was a great boxer, but not a great puncher. He hit the deck from hard rights 3 or 4 times .... Lewis was a great boxer-puncher with tremendous height, size, reach, and strength, but LL could be reached by a good right hand puncher. Lewis could be taken out with 1 shot anytime from round 1 to round 12. He was vulnerable .... Wladimir Klitschko always seemed hesitant and scared. He's reluctant to get back in the ring with fat and flabby Fury after losing badly .... Vitali Kltschko had badly battered legs from Kickboxing that bothered him his whole career. As a result he was a bit stiff and slow.

At the present time I don't see any holes in the game of Anthony Joshua... He has height, weight, reach, speed, skills, and resistance... He has an inside game, an outside game, a body attack, a strong defense, great balance, timing, and the best right counter shot in the division... He has the height, size, and strength of a Klitschko; the chin of Dempsey; the speed and power of Tyson; the jab of Holmes; the reach of Lewis; the cleverness of Tunney; the conditioning of Wladimir; and the perseverance of Holyfield.

Don't tell me how green AJ is or that it's too early to rate him... Tell me where he has more holes in his game than the above ATG Heavyweights. What punch is AJ lacking? What does he get hit with? What would he get hit with if he faced Fury, Wlad, or Ortiz? Anything that might drop him? I don't see how they get to him. Who has been able to reach him, floor him, stop him, or pound on him? Nobody has come close. I see a slight problem if he fought Ortiz right now---but I don't see that fight happening for 2 years.

Just play the fornicating game!

There's being a troll, then there's just being a disagreeable arsewipe for the fun of it.

[Counter-puncher]

A 135 lb Duran. The guy was a savage at that weight.
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This, very much, for me. That much talent, speed, power, natural fighting ability, anvil chin, and the utterly ferocious attitude with it, the most terrifying fighter I have seen

[Counter-puncher]

While I find his resume to be terribly overrated, I'd hate to be the Willard that faced Dempsey.

[gilgamesh]

While I find his resume to be terribly overrated, I'd hate to be the Willard that faced Dempsey.

Yeah that's one of the worst ass kickings I've ever seen a defending Champion take

[aliboy123]

most of us just ignore him

facing a peak hagler would terrify me or bobby chacon...if you went in with the best of bobby you knew you were going to have lay it all on the line

[davie]

most of us just ignore him

facing a peak hagler would terrify me or bobby chacon...if you went in with the best of bobby you knew you were going to have lay it all on the line

Was that supposed to sound like innuendo?

[Kalan]

I just stated on another thread, that if there was one man in the history of the sport I would not like to be trapped in a ring with, it would be Joe Frazier.
Not the best, not in my ATG top 20, not no 1 in a number of categories.
But I just think his style would be heart breaking to fight. The relentless pressure, the ability to walk through everything you throw (unless you're big George of course) and keep laying into you.
The body work, the hooks and uppercuts on the inside, if he doesn't hit you hard enough to stop you with single shots, it would break you down and break the strongest of wills.
I can't think of any other fighter that would have made the greatest consider quiting on his stool.

Who, if you were a fighter, would you avoid like the plague? And why???

Frazier was easily manageable by a big, powerhouse Heavyweight with 45's and uppercuts. Very easy for Foreman to hit, a mouth watering target who led with his head, like Ken Norton .... Tyson was almost as wide open a target as Frazier, but bigger, stronger, and faster. Little Mike was dead meat for Douglas and Lewis, who couldn't wait to get at him .... Dempsey and Foreman were easy marks for a brilliant jabber with a rifle right .... Johnson was very difficult to hit cleanly, but not very big at 6'1" X 208 in perfect condition for Jeffries. I see JJ having problems with bigger, taller, very skillful boxers with much big reach advantages .... Tunney was too small. 192 at his heaviest ... Louis could be outboxed by any Heavyweight with Billy Conn's skills combined with tremendous height, weight, and reach. Bear in mind that Conn could be hit. He lost 11 fights .... Ali lost to Norton and Frazier and wasn't a scary boxer or puncher. Too easy for skilled boxers to hit .... Holmes was a great boxer, but not a great puncher. He hit the deck from hard rights 3 or 4 times .... Lewis was a great boxer-puncher with tremendous height, size, reach, and strength, but LL could be reached by a good right hand puncher. Lewis could be taken out with 1 shot anytime from round 1 to round 12. He was vulnerable .... Wladimir Klitschko always seemed hesitant and scared. He's reluctant to get back in the ring with fat and flabby Fury after losing badly .... Vitali Kltschko had badly battered legs from Kickboxing that bothered him his whole career. As a result he was a bit stiff and slow.

At the present time I don't see any holes in the game of Anthony Joshua... He has height, weight, reach, speed, skills, and resistance... He has an inside game, an outside game, a body attack, a strong defense, great balance, timing, and the best right counter shot in the division... He has the height, size, and strength of a Klitschko; the chin of Dempsey; the speed and power of Tyson; the jab of Holmes; the reach of Lewis; the cleverness of Tunney; the conditioning of Wladimir; and the perseverance of Holyfield.

Don't tell me how green AJ is or that it's too early to rate him... Tell me where he has more holes in his game than the above ATG Heavyweights. What punch is AJ lacking? What does he get hit with? What would he get hit with if he faced Fury, Wlad, or Ortiz? Anything that might drop him? I don't see how they get to him. Who has been able to reach him, floor him, stop him, or pound on him? Nobody has come close. I see a slight problem if he fought Ortiz right now---but I don't see that fight happening for 2 years.

Just play the effing game!

There's being a troll, then there's just being a disagreeable arsewipe for the fun of it.

You're being an asswipe. Any past ATG had holes in his game. Joshua is the most formidable guy so far because he's looked air tight to date.

[elmersalsa]

Frazier was easily manageable by a big, powerhouse Heavyweight with 45's and uppercuts. Very easy for Foreman to hit, a mouth watering target who led with his head, like Ken Norton .... Tyson was almost as wide open a target as Frazier, but bigger, stronger, and faster. Little Mike was dead meat for Douglas and Lewis, who couldn't wait to get at him .... Dempsey and Foreman were easy marks for a brilliant jabber with a rifle right .... Johnson was very difficult to hit cleanly, but not very big at 6'1" X 208 in perfect condition for Jeffries. I see JJ having problems with bigger, taller, very skillful boxers with much big reach advantages .... Tunney was too small. 192 at his heaviest ... Louis could be outboxed by any Heavyweight with Billy Conn's skills combined with tremendous height, weight, and reach. Bear in mind that Conn could be hit. He lost 11 fights .... Ali lost to Norton and Frazier and wasn't a scary boxer or puncher. Too easy for skilled boxers to hit .... Holmes was a great boxer, but not a great puncher. He hit the deck from hard rights 3 or 4 times .... Lewis was a great boxer-puncher with tremendous height, size, reach, and strength, but LL could be reached by a good right hand puncher. Lewis could be taken out with 1 shot anytime from round 1 to round 12. He was vulnerable .... Wladimir Klitschko always seemed hesitant and scared. He's reluctant to get back in the ring with fat and flabby Fury after losing badly .... Vitali Kltschko had badly battered legs from Kickboxing that bothered him his whole career. As a result he was a bit stiff and slow.

At the present time I don't see any holes in the game of Anthony Joshua... He has height, weight, reach, speed, skills, and resistance... He has an inside game, an outside game, a body attack, a strong defense, great balance, timing, and the best right counter shot in the division... He has the height, size, and strength of a Klitschko; the chin of Dempsey; the speed and power of Tyson; the jab of Holmes; the reach of Lewis; the cleverness of Tunney; the conditioning of Wladimir; and the perseverance of Holyfield.

Don't tell me how green AJ is or that it's too early to rate him... Tell me where he has more holes in his game than the above ATG Heavyweights. What punch is AJ lacking? What does he get hit with? What would he get hit with if he faced Fury, Wlad, or Ortiz? Anything that might drop him? I don't see how they get to him. Who has been able to reach him, floor him, stop him, or pound on him? Nobody has come close. I see a slight problem if he fought Ortiz right now---but I don't see that fight happening for 2 years.

Just play the effing game!

There's being a troll, then there's just being a disagreeable arsewipe for the fun of it.

You're being an asswipe. Any past ATG had holes in his game. Joshua is the most formidable guy so far because he's looked air tight to date.

There goes Kalan again with this Anthony Joshua guy. SMH!

Well, at least he has not said nothing about Wilt Chamberlain on this subject matter.

[APerno]

Sticking with just fighters I actually saw fight: I would want to avoid a fighter who was taller than me, who threw a hard over hand right to the side of the head. (I am of the mind that it is punches to the side of the head that causes most of the permanent damage fighters suffer.) This narrows it down two fighters: Tomas Hearns and Carlos Monzon. Because Hearns could be hurt (KOed) and because Monzon never was (only suffering a few flash knockdowns which he recovered from quickly) I believe Monzon would be the most difficult to fight.

Having to constantly be wary of his right hand, and finding it very difficult to get pass his jab there would only be a few occasions were I would be able to penetrate his defense, (which would come at a high cost to my health,) only to discover that once inside I was unable to hurt him enough to make the ‘price paid’ worth it, makes me believe he is the one fighter I would want to duck. - But screw it, if the money is right I'll fight anybody; how many zeros are there on this check?

[davie]

Just play the effing game!

There's being a troll, then there's just being a disagreeable arsewipe for the fun of it.

You're being an asswipe. Any past ATG had holes in his game. Joshua is the most formidable guy so far because he's looked air tight to date.

Is that your answer?
Joshua is the man you would least like to get in the ring with?

That's all you had to say.

[jaclem3]

the last man i would want to fight would be a rematch with the first guy i fought.

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Nigel Benn in a foul mood and having taken a deep personal dislike to me.
The guy hit to hurt and in certain situations Nigel was pretty cold and merciless.

Nigel was also most dangerous when he was hurt.

Just when you thought you had him, he would come roaring back.