Question regarding the Benn-Mcclellan fight....

jedijojo · Post by **jedijojo** » 27 Feb 2006, 22:45

What the hell that French ref was doing???????

Why did they pick that ref for a big fight like that? I feel that if it was Richard Steele or Mills Lane who was the referee we wouldn't have a handicaped man today.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 27 Feb 2006, 22:55

Letting Benn do whatever he wanted, then turned the other way when Benn hit him with an intentional headbutt that fucked up G-Man's head. I would really rather not contribute more to this topic because it really gets to me. Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk, but I'll offend someone.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 27 Feb 2006, 23:18

Mattyp151 wrote:Letting Benn do whatever he wanted, then turned the other way when Benn hit him with an intentional headbutt that fucked up G-Man's head. I would really rather not contribute more to this topic because it really gets to me. Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk, but I'll offend someone.

But you already have 'contributed'...

In what round was the intentional head butt?

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 27 Feb 2006, 23:31

Collins2000 wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:Letting Benn do whatever he wanted, then turned the other way when Benn hit him with an intentional headbutt that fucked up G-Man's head. I would really rather not contribute more to this topic because it really gets to me. Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk, but I'll offend someone.
But you already have 'contributed'...

In what round was the intentional head butt?

Off the top of my head, 9. It was before 10, and he went into to 10 looking off from the jump. He took a headbutt that the ref missed, and told him to suck it up and keep fighting, eventhough the only people who didn't see were the ref, and the TV announcer. Even the fans saw it.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 28 Feb 2006, 01:14

Mattyp151 wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:Letting Benn do whatever he wanted, then turned the other way when Benn hit him with an intentional headbutt that fucked up G-Man's head. I would really rather not contribute more to this topic because it really gets to me. Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk, but I'll offend someone.
But you already have 'contributed'...

In what round was the intentional head butt?

Off the top of my head, 9. It was before 10, and he went into to 10 looking off from the jump. He took a headbutt that the ref missed, and told him to suck it up and keep fighting, eventhough the only people who didn't see were the ref, and the TV announcer. Even the fans saw it.

Hang on. You said intentional headbutt first. Now just headbutt. Did you mean to say intentional?

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 28 Feb 2006, 04:37

The way Gerald was blinking from about round 3 or 4 I think showed there was a problem with him way before the clash of heads. You're not saying all his problems are down to that one blow are you?

jedijojo · Post by **jedijojo** » 28 Feb 2006, 09:17

Was there an investigation about the ref???

I agree that I also get angry wen watching this fight

witherspoon · Post by **witherspoon** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:40

The referee's main concern should be the health and safety of the fighters. It seems that in Britain referees become preoccupied with doing as much (or as little, depending on the circumstances) as possible to give the home fighter an advantage.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 28 Feb 2006, 11:02

Utter balls!... the reason Mcclellan was injured was because he took too many hard shots that night, to blame Benn for butting is just stupid. As for the supposed 'butt' in the 9th I think Gerald was already hurt by then... as early as the 5th or 6th round he began blinking repeatedly... which is a sure sign of injury. The truth is that Gerald had a very poor defence and took some wicked shots flush to the chin, which is very possibly when the injury occured. But it is also possible that Gerald went into the fight with an unknown injury from a previous bout. Defense was never Geralds forte and when that is the case injuries are much more liable to happen... especially when you are fighting the calibre of opposition that Gerald did.
Why didn't the corner see how Gerald was blinking and pull him out?... it was obvious from about the 6th or 7th round that Gerald had some sort of problem... blaming Benn is the easy way out for some it seems...

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 11:08

silkov wrote:Utter balls!... the reason Mcclellan was injured was because he took too many hard shots that night, to blame Benn for butting is just stupid. As for the supposed 'butt' in the 9th I think Gerald was already hurt by then... as early as the 5th or 6th round he began blinking repeatedly... which is a sure sign of injury. The truth is that Gerald had a very poor defence and took some wicked shots flush to the chin, which is very possibly when the injury occured. But it is also possible that Gerald went into the fight with an unknown injury from a previous bout. Defense was never Geralds forte and when that is the case injuries are much more liable to happen... especially when you are fighting the calibre of opposition that Gerald did.
Why didn't the corner see how Gerald was blinking and pull him out?... it was obvious from about the 6th or 7th round that Gerald had some sort of problem... blaming Benn is the easy way out for some it seems...

GREAT POST SILKOV.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 28 Feb 2006, 11:18

silkov wrote:Utter balls!... the reason Mcclellan was injured was because he took too many hard shots that night, to blame Benn for butting is just stupid. As for the supposed 'butt' in the 9th I think Gerald was already hurt by then... as early as the 5th or 6th round he began blinking repeatedly... which is a sure sign of injury. The truth is that Gerald had a very poor defence and took some wicked shots flush to the chin, which is very possibly when the injury occured. But it is also possible that Gerald went into the fight with an unknown injury from a previous bout. Defense was never Geralds forte and when that is the case injuries are much more liable to happen... especially when you are fighting the calibre of opposition that Gerald did.
Why didn't the corner see how Gerald was blinking and pull him out?... it was obvious from about the 6th or 7th round that Gerald had some sort of problem... blaming Benn is the easy way out for some it seems...

How many hold and hits did Benn get away with that night? I'd be willing to say he landed more on the back of McClellan's head than his face. The fact the ref did everything in his power to not give a fair fight for McClellan is utter fornicating shit, and even you englishmen should know that.

McClellan took a knee, what did the ref do, give him the standing 8? Nope, told him to get up and fight. How is that having any god damn regard for a fighters health?

Was McClellan's defense good? God no, not at all. However, the shit the fornicating french ref was letting Benn get away with that night was a travesty of fornicating boxing, and anyone who thinks any different is a fornicating disgrace. How much help does Benn get from ringside people to get back into the ring, and then go ahead and try and convince me he got the standard 20 count when getting knocked out of the ring. Then, explain to me the reasons behind the pointless breaks by the french referee in the first round that gave Benn more time than he should've been allowed to recover.

Anyone who says that fight was fairly officiated should just stop watching boxing all together....fornicating disgrace.

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 11:57

why dont you just post your opinion rather than deeming people fornicating disgraces, I was gonna tap you a reply but now I just think
piss off you self opinionated prick, there no point in talking to a tosser.

rather than having a sensible debate in the pros and cons of the fight some of which i agree with but some you posted I dont..

I certinaly dont think people should be judged as fornicating disgraces as they dont agree with your opinion.

anyway friendly advice take it or leave it.

its a shame cos I coudl have had a decent debate with you on this but not with your present attitude.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 28 Feb 2006, 12:01

J wrote:why dont you just post your opinion rather than deeming people fornicating disgraces, I was gonna tap you a reply but now I just think

smeg off you self opinionated prick.

What's wrong with being opinionated? I let you guys say what you had to, and I 100% disagree in the worst way with everything you said. To sit there and claim Benn didn't receive any assistance through that fight is plain ignorant, and the one, single reason he made it out of the first three minutes of that fight is because of the ref...nothing more. Was it amazing he got up from a ridiculous KD? Yes, it was, I was astonished when I saw it. But for everything that happened the remainder of that round, not one thing was in teh way of McClellan. Prove to me otherwise. That fight should've been done in the first, and the ref didn't allow it to happen. That is what is a fornicating disgrace.

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 28 Feb 2006, 12:06

OH HOW DAAAAAARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really, I don't know.
You, Sir, have NO regard whatsoever for a Ladies feelings, THE NERVE OF IT!.
If you persist I shall assault you with my handbag, now don't go upsetting the nice people over such trifles.
Really.

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 12:16

fact is if you experts did some fornicating research then you might actually be able to post with brains instead of just your hearts and eyes.

Im not saying the ref wasnt poor, the fact the fornicating press pushed Benn back into the ring in the first is indeed a sad endictment on the referee standards, however you seem hell bent on blaming benn for this, head butt, holds and hits. Ive seen much worse lets put it that way.

in fact skleton did much worse on sat ngiht.

Also to lay down the fact a man is living in a twilight world with little sound or sight and little control over himself is down to benn or the referee is just fornicating ignorant.
There are also rumours circulating that an incident occured in sparring which could have had some impact. You cant say it was benns head in the 9th.

If fornicating neuro surgeons cant say that then you cant.

there were lots of issues that night.

watch the fight again. Ive got it on dvd and find it increidbly difficult to view it post the 7th round as Silkov points out the gaping mouth and constant blinking are known to be a sign of brain trauma occuring.

plus actions speak louder than words so suggest you do the honourable thing as you are so bothered by all this

Send Contributions for Gerald McClellan to:
Gerald McClellan Estate
Fifth Third Bank
PO Box 660
Freeport, IL 61032

I have that address as I speak with Greg page's wife from time to time and she is good friends with Geralds sister.

so if you are so opinionated aobut all this then you will give a little something to help the man out right?

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 12:16

bigzab wrote:OH HOW DAAAAAARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really, I don't know.
You, Sir, have NO regard whatsoever for a Ladies feelings, THE NERVE OF IT!.
If you persist I shall assault you with my handbag, now don't go upsetting the nice people over such trifles.
Really.

??????????wtf? that aimed at me?

of so go fornicate yourself ignorant prick.

if not then disregard the above sentence.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 28 Feb 2006, 12:19

J wrote:fact is if you experts did some fornicating research then you might actually be able to post with brains instead of just your hearts and eyes.

Im not saying the ref wasnt poor, the fact the fornicating press pushed Benn back into the ring in the first is indeed a sad endictment on the referee standards, however you seem hell bent on blaming benn for this, head butt, holds and hits. Ive seen much worse lets put it that way.

in fact skleton did much worse on sat ngiht.

Also to lay down the fact a man is living in a twilight world with little sound or sight and little control over himself is down to benn or the referee is just fornicating ignorant.
There are also rumours circulating that an incident occured in sparring which could have had some impact. You cant say it was benns head in the 9th.

If fornicating neuro surgeons cant say that then you cant.

there were lots of issues that night.

watch the fight again. Ive got it on dvd and find it increidbly difficult to view it post the 7th round as Silkov points out the gaping mouth and constant blinking are known to be a sign of brain trauma occuring.

plus actions speak louder than words so suggest you do the honourable thing as you are so bothered by all this

Send Contributions for Gerald McClellan to:
Gerald McClellan Estate
Fifth Third Bank
PO Box 660
Freeport, IL 61032

I have that address as I speak with Greg page's wife from time to time and she is good friends with Geralds sister.

so if you are so opinionated aobut all this then you will give a little something to help the man out right?

Actually I have thought about donating, and I've been to the G-Man's site on quite a few occasions to see what's new in his small, current world.

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 12:22

well no time like the present and credit to you if you do.

as you can see i am not one eyed on this issue, however to blame benn for the outcome is not fair nor just.

The ref and benn are also haunted in some way in the terrible legacy that this fight left.

benn never was the same man in the ring, shame Gerald never was out of it.

No-one won that night to be honest, everyone lost just some tragically more than others..

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 12:30

DT wrote:If I donate does that make my argument better? Here's a simple fact; Gerald was permanently injured because of the fight with Benn.

no im merely pointing out if someone cares that much then Im facilitating them doing something about it benifiting them and the fighter right?

why are you taking the piss out of that? total unnecessary.

indeed it was down to the fight but to lay it on one persons dooorstep is sheer folly.

Could be the refs fault, benns fault (tho in fairness the guy is going in there to win a fight not fornicating play bowls) the corners fault, perhaps it was the level of scans in the 90's that may have missed something pre fight. Perhaps he was wegith drained..
Perhaps gerald could have taken a knee and stayed down.
Perhaps the doctor at ringside could have taken a closer look, perhaps the ambulance men could have been closoer to the ring with the oxygen.
Perhaps the trraffic on the way could have been better and he may have got treatment quicker.

PERHAPS PERHAPS PERHAPS.

Fukc me the list is endless, and its not constructive to pin it on one person.

its tragic but it isnt any ONE singular persons fault.

in fact read this
http://www.boxingbanter.com/viewtopic.php?t=661

it may answer some of the issues that aruise when i fighter gets injured and what occurs and how they feel.

witherspoon · Post by **witherspoon** » 28 Feb 2006, 12:45

I could be wrong here, but it doesn't seem to me that anyone has put the blame for Gerald McClellan's condition on Benn.
He was in there to win, yes, and I think we all have the sense to take it for granted that he would do anything he was allowed to do in pursuit of victory, as would any boxer.
Just the way I'm reading all this.

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 12:45

not upset at all its just something i feel strongly about.

if the folk involved and the families no longer blame the fighters then some pratt on the internet who has a one eyed view of it sure as hell shouldnt.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 28 Feb 2006, 12:53

J wrote:well no time like the present and credit to you if you do.

as you can see i am not one eyed on this issue, however to blame benn for the outcome is not fair nor just.

The ref and benn are also haunted in some way in the terrible legacy that this fight left.

benn never was the same man in the ring, shame Gerald never was out of it.

No-one won that night to be honest, everyone lost just some tragically more than others..

I didn't blame Benn, he was just getting away with stuff he shouldn't have. He was there to do what it takes to win. The person I've blamed the entire time has been the horrid official. He is the reason that fight turned out like it did. He allowed things that shouldn't have been allowed, and he saved Benn in the first. You can not question the FACT that there were unreasonable breaks in the first round after Benn went down. And the fact Benn was helped back into the ring like it was expected makes me quesiton him even more.

So, go ahead and call me a pratt for saying something that you think I said. But not once did I blame this on Benn, just like I don't blame what happened to Leavander Johnson on Jesus Chavez or what happened to Beethaven Scottland on George Jones. The Benn/McClellan fight is a clear cut case of a referee not doing his job, and it cost someone dearly.

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 12:55

if you read the interview with greg page and his wife you may find i do on this issue at least.

Matty as said its not down to one individual these things are usually a concoction of instances coming together.

i think its harsh to blame anyone person.

Look lads im not here to fight with anyone over this issue or at all to be honest.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 28 Feb 2006, 13:01

J wrote:if you read the interview with greg page and his wife you may find i do on this issue at least.

Matty as said its not down to one individual these things are usually a concoction of instances coming together.

i think its harsh to blame anyone person.

Look lads im not here to fight with anyone over this issue or at all to be honest.

It's not hard to blame one person only in this instance at all. The ref clearly booted every opportunity he had to make this a fair fight. The things he did still baffle me, and when I watched the fight, I confused after the first round on what the hell he was doing. From the jump, something seemed off in that fight. Benn was fighting the way he should've, and McClellan was trying to fight his fast and furious style...what the ref was trying to accomplish still escapes me.

J · Post by J » 28 Feb 2006, 13:02

ok well there you go then i guess we have to agree to disagree, yes the ref was inept but to solely blame him for G mans injuries is in my opinion naive.

but there you go Ive stated all i can on the matter..