"Tyson Fury will not fight again" - Eddie Hearn

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Rob3_142 wrote:I think everyone is a bit quick to jump on Eddie's back here. It is most certainly his business when Sky and the BBC are asking for his opinion. It's also very much his business when his hottest fighter is in the same division, with Fury holding the majority of the belts. He wanted the fight to go ahead so they could line Joshua up with the winner - for obvious reasons.

As far as the mental health issues go, that is obviously a very very serious subject, but there is also certainly a difference between clinical depression, and being fed up because everyone was picking on him. The jury is still out about where Fury's mental issues lie on the spectrum, but you only have to watch the Peter Fury interview, and it seems to me he's more fed up about the witch hunt (which only the Fury's believe is a real thing). Additionally to that, if they do cite depression, and it's not genuine, then that completely undermines what real depression is all about, and the effects it has on people's lives. At the moment all we have to go on is an 'unspecified medical condition' which is vague to say the least. I look forward to hearing what is said in the presser on Tuesday.

Hearn's comments were as far as I am concerned not as bad as everyone is making out. He clearly stated that he presumed this was the position of the sanctioning bodies, which I think few of us would disagree with. Could he of been more tactful with the way he expressed that? Yeah possibly, but this is Tyson Fury, and I think everyone is a bit fed up with his antics.

I sincerely hope it is not clinical depression, and if it is, in Tyson's and the sports best interest, it's best he just steps away from the game and concentrates on making a full recovery.

Not on Gods green earth would they have lined up the winner for Joshuas next opponent.

As for Tyson. I cant weigh up anything one way or another so have no opinion I guess. Agree with other aspets of your post though :TU:
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To be honest with you lots of boxers probably fit the bill for some kind of personality disorder. Eubank Snr: narcissistic personality disorder. Mike Tyson: antisocial personality disorder.

When you get professional fighters with so much money, on such high pedestals, you get outrageous personalities the likes of which would never fit into normal society. Diagnosing people is just giving them a label really and isn't necessarily all that helpful, unless they need the help. But I will tell you this, an awful lot of people with a diagnosis of personality disorder have had a big shock over the past few years because they've been told they are able bodied, should get back to work and don't qualify for their disability living allowance any more.

In short, Fury better get himself sectioned quick sharp, because being moody and not wanting to fight does not get you out of a contract.
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Think Fury makes a flabby, Foremanesque comeback in a few years, with the hype but obviously minus the power and experience of Big George.

Strongly believe he's done as an athlete.

Reckon the results will be more like Buster Douglas or Razor Ruddock comebacks.
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littlekinny wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:I think everyone is a bit quick to jump on Eddie's back here. It is most certainly his business when Sky and the BBC are asking for his opinion. It's also very much his business when his hottest fighter is in the same division, with Fury holding the majority of the belts. He wanted the fight to go ahead so they could line Joshua up with the winner - for obvious reasons.

As far as the mental health issues go, that is obviously a very very serious subject, but there is also certainly a difference between clinical depression, and being fed up because everyone was picking on him. The jury is still out about where Fury's mental issues lie on the spectrum, but you only have to watch the Peter Fury interview, and it seems to me he's more fed up about the witch hunt (which only the Fury's believe is a real thing). Additionally to that, if they do cite depression, and it's not genuine, then that completely undermines what real depression is all about, and the effects it has on people's lives. At the moment all we have to go on is an 'unspecified medical condition' which is vague to say the least. I look forward to hearing what is said in the presser on Tuesday.

Hearn's comments were as far as I am concerned not as bad as everyone is making out. He clearly stated that he presumed this was the position of the sanctioning bodies, which I think few of us would disagree with. Could he of been more tactful with the way he expressed that? Yeah possibly, but this is Tyson Fury, and I think everyone is a bit fed up with his antics.

I sincerely hope it is not clinical depression, and if it is, in Tyson's and the sports best interest, it's best he just steps away from the game and concentrates on making a full recovery.

Not on Gods green earth would they have lined up the winner for Joshuas next opponent.

As for Tyson. I cant weigh up anything one way or another so have no opinion I guess. Agree with other aspets of your post though :TU:
I really don't understand this common belief that Hearn wouldn't stick Joshua in with Klitchko or Fury.

I personally think that Joshua comfortably beats Fury anyway, and with Klitchko now being 40 it's probably the best time to fight him also. In fact I don't understand this angle that Hearn is overly conservative with his fighters. This is the same guy that threw Brook in with GGG and Crolla with Linares.

This is also the same Hearn that has been on the phone with Klitchko's manager this week trying to tie up klitchko for the 26th Nov. If you're being a hater for the sake of being a hater, then you crack on, but I don't see any merit in your comments.
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Rob3_142 wrote:
I really don't understand this common belief that Hearn wouldn't stick Joshua in with Klitchko or Fury.

I personally think that Joshua comfortably beats Fury anyway, and with Klitchko now being 40 it's probably the best time to fight him also. In fact I don't understand this angle that Hearn is overly conservative with his fighters. This is the same guy that threw Brook in with GGG and Crolla with Linares.

This is also the same Hearn that has been on the phone with Klitchko's manager this week trying to tie up klitchko for the 26th Nov. If you're being a hater for the sake of being a hater, then you crack on, but I don't see any merit in your comments.
The Brook one is possibly a bad example, because career-wise it was fairly low-risk. Brook was moving up significantly in weight to fight one of the best fighters in the world. There was no title on the line, and nobody expected him to win. He could've got knocked on his arse in the first round, and people would still be saying how brave he was. (Especially as we had Eubank Jr to compare him to.) Brook's previous opponents show Hearn's unwillingness to take a risk when the title is on the line, and there's something to lose.

Put it was like this. If Brook had got absolutely splattered, it would've still enhanced his reputation. And he could've gone back down in weight, and defended his title against a few more soft opponents for big money. That was literally worst case scenario.
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I've come to my own conclusion that he didn't want to fight Vlad again, if he had the opportunity to fight AJ or Wilder, he would have fought one and a date would be set for the second already..
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ILikeBeer wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
I really don't understand this common belief that Hearn wouldn't stick Joshua in with Klitchko or Fury.

I personally think that Joshua comfortably beats Fury anyway, and with Klitchko now being 40 it's probably the best time to fight him also. In fact I don't understand this angle that Hearn is overly conservative with his fighters. This is the same guy that threw Brook in with GGG and Crolla with Linares.

This is also the same Hearn that has been on the phone with Klitchko's manager this week trying to tie up klitchko for the 26th Nov. If you're being a hater for the sake of being a hater, then you crack on, but I don't see any merit in your comments.
The Brook one is possibly a bad example, because career-wise it was fairly low-risk. Brook was moving up significantly in weight to fight one of the best fighters in the world. There was no title on the line, and nobody expected him to win. He could've got knocked on his arse in the first round, and people would still be saying how brave he was. (Especially as we had Eubank Jr to compare him to.) Brook's previous opponents show Hearn's unwillingness to take a risk when the title is on the line, and there's something to lose.

Put it was like this. If Brook had got absolutely splattered, it would've still enhanced his reputation. And he could've gone back down in weight, and defended his title against a few more soft opponents for big money. That was literally worst case scenario.
Well the shattered eye socket has probably served to reduce his money making ability in the short term, but yeah I do agree it has done little to damage his marketability. But if we're talking about Joshua's marketability, and the risk of Fury or Klitchko, I still think it is maximum reward for probably smallish risk. I mean Brook wanted the Khan fight, it was Khan that was thinking that an unbeaten world champ was not high enough profile for him. I felt genuinely sorry for Brook because it felt like nobody wanted to fight him at WW as it was high risk low reward. That's what makes this game so stupid.
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Brook and Crolla , had no where to go no big money fights to go to or risk losing , so it was a worthy risk , if they win its upwards and onwards , if they lose , its a good payday they could'nt of got elswhere , and more to come .. AJ well he's a money tree , He will not risk getting him chopped down
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Controversial wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
it could well be bipolar
I've thought that about him for a long time, classic symptoms of bipolar. He will need lifetime medication if that is the case.



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coneye wrote:Brook and Crolla , had no where to go no big money fights to go to or risk losing , so it was a worthy risk , if they win its upwards and onwards , if they lose , its a good payday they could'nt of got elswhere , and more to come .. AJ well he's a money tree , He will not risk getting him chopped down
I think I'd agree with this if their promoter didn't believe in their ability, but I think they can put Joshua in with almost anyone and expect to win. Who are the outstanding favourites against Joshua? (Not a rhetorical question)
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So my job, for many years now, is to go and assess people with mental illness at crisis point and help figure out what help they need. I also spent years before that working on acute wards and secure units and was in the game since I left school. You can disagree with me but I'm coming at this with plenty of experience.

"Classic bi polar" as some people are labelling Fury, is characterised by extreme highs and lows of mood: but it's not like people are depressed one minute and high the next. The lows can last for weeks or even months and can be extreme, with the sufferer believing they might be responsible for atrocities on TV, feel tremendous guilt, maybe even hear voices (this is not exclusive to schizophrenia) stop washing, stop eating, take to their beds, stop talking, etc. Eventually, they can be gradually brought out of it with medication, but this needs to be closely monitored to prevent them "going the other way"
As we call it and going high.

Again, the highs can last months and the patient can be a tigger like nightmare, not sleeping for days on end, believing they are a genius or a millionaire, a brilliant business man, spending money recklessly (and I don't mean buying a big round in France that you can afford) often ending up in extreme debt or bankrupt, sometimes being extremely violent and aggressive (I once looked after a chap who legend had it rolled a police car in a rage), rambling non stop, grandiosity, preaching in the street, on the tube etc, running around naked. Again, with hospitalisation who heavy medication, eventually the symptoms can be controlled and the patient settles.

They almost always lack "insight", don't believe there is anything wrong with them and stop taking the medication which becomes a revolving cycle of relapses and readmissions, and often the medication that worked before does not work again, and something new has to be tried.

There used to be a diagnosis "rapid cycling bi polar" where people would experience the highs and lows more rapidly, but I have never seen a case in a decade and a half of the job. In short, if you are bi polar you do not go from being so depressed you have to cancel the biggest fight of your life to sitting watching a boxing match grinning and laughing.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that I would think Fury suffers from EUPD (emotionally unstable personality disorder). I'm not going to go through it all here, have a google if you want, but sufferers do experience mood swings, feel unwanted, tend to seek validation from others and then push it away, self sabotage, and struggle with their sense of self, often changing their image. They also act out, are attention seekers and can be the most difficult patients to look after. Medication does not really help and psychological treatment is considered the best option, but is hard going, long term and difficult to keep the client engaged in, particularly if they are from a macho background like Fury: they just see the therapy as bollocks and give up. EUPD is almost always as a result of a turbulent and or abusive childhood. PD's aren't "mad"
as such, and it is debatable whether any treatment works for them.

In short, I don't think he's bi polar. I would have bought that he was a depressive, had he not turned up at a boxing match grinning. So he's either taking the piss, or he has a personality disorder (which I think seems likely) and that doesn't mean he can't fight again. Whether he will actually want to is another matter. Obviously the focus of training etc kept him on a somewhat even keel for most of his life, but with his goals fufilled, and the lack of satisfaction that came with it, I can't see him finding focus again and he'll probably become incredibly erratic and off the rails.

Just an opinion. If he starts exhibiting more psychotic symptoms, then I'll change my mind. But I don't think he's bi polar at all. That's a big thing to label somebody. It's a hardcore illness. There are different extremes of course, like Stephen Fry who purports to have a "mild" form of bi polar and I believe is not even medicated? But to me Fury just doesn't fit the bill.
Excellent post :TU:

Add in the fact that Fury is in an extremely high-pressure environment without any let-up and that the family have been reluctant to bring in people who could actually relieve that pressure and that would explain a very great deal.

The mood swings between attention seeking and then ridiculing himself to the point of self-loathing now make more sense.
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Autobarn wrote:Think Fury makes a flabby, Foremanesque comeback in a few years, with the hype but obviously minus the power and experience of Big George.

Strongly believe he's done as an athlete.

Reckon the results will be more like Buster Douglas or Razor Ruddock comebacks.
Let's hope so. Hopefully his is even worse.
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