GGG-Jacobs

[boxing_rocks]

How is he in a win-win situation? If, in the unlikely event, Jacobs beats him, it's a huge backwards step for his career.

My post was aimed directly at the people that posted comments on this thread (intended as light-hearted banter), rather than my actual interpretation of what would likely occur in reality.

This was one of those rare occasions where my words shouldn't be taken literally.

Ah, just shit-stirring as usual then. I'm a big GGG fan and will sometimes come to his defense if I think someone is being unfair with him (as per the above), but there are some fans who go way beyond that - getting their knickers in a knot if anyone says anything remotely negative about him, his team or his record. I've actually been called a hater for suggesting that GGG should eventually move up to 168lb.

Rover/fergusg/Enlightened deliberately trolls in multiple threads provoking expected reaction. That is why he is on ignore lists of many and is mocked by others.

[Enlightened-One]

My post was aimed directly at the people that posted comments on this thread (intended as light-hearted banter), rather than my actual interpretation of what would likely occur in reality.

This was one of those rare occasions where my words shouldn't be taken literally.

Ah, just shit-stirring as usual then. I'm a big GGG fan and will sometimes come to his defense if I think someone is being unfair with him (as per the above), but there are some fans who go way beyond that - getting their knickers in a knot if anyone says anything remotely negative about him, his team or his record. I've actually been called a hater for suggesting that GGG should eventually move up to 168lb.

Rover/fergusg/Enlightened deliberately trolls in multiple threads provoking expected reaction. That is why he is on ignore lists of many and is mocked by others.

Don't be so sensitive. I've never criticised you personally, just your ideas... and regardless as to whether or not you agree with the content of my posts, you have to give me credit for supporting my arguments with cold hard irrefutable facts.

[boxing_rocks]

Enlightened-One, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.

[dberry]

Ah, just shit-stirring as usual then.

No. I’m merely making a light-hearted dig at those individuals whose appreciation for Golovkin has progressed to obscene proportions, whereby they become devotees to a human that they believe is an omnipotent god-like being… compelling them to defend their righteous deity at all cost, no matter what is said or by whom.

To be fair, whilst I appreciate that one or two of my posts or threads can be a tad provocative (as reality can often prove itself to be stranger than fiction), the vast majority of the time I’m simply quoting the words articulated by Loeffler, Sanchez and Golovkin… or detailing facts supplied by sources such as The Ring or BoxRec… in parrot-like fashion... and it seems that people would prefer to “shoot the messenger” than to challenge the information provided by third-party sources.

I'm a big GGG fan and will sometimes come to his defense if I think someone is being unfair with him (as per the above)

I wasn’t criticising Golovkin, merely mocking his fans.

…there are some fans who go way beyond that - getting their knickers in a knot if anyone says anything remotely negative about him, his team or his record. I've actually been called a hater for suggesting that GGG should eventually move up to 168lb.

It seems we share common ground, because I possess a deep-seated appreciation for the Kazakh puncher and I too have suggested that his legacy and financial situation would be improved if he fulfilled his promise to prove that he could easily compete at 168lbs… and I got aggressively derided for having the sheer audacity to suggest such a “hideously unreasonable” notion.

For the record, anyone interested in my opinion about the likely winner of the GGG-Jacobs fight, my belief is that Golovkin adopts a defensively sound and patient approach to force a stoppage sometime between rounds five and eight (depending on the level of ambition the American shows).

Finally, for those that remain convinced of my so-called “hatred” of Golovkin, why don’t you read the following post and let me know if those words could be written by a man that detested GGG?

"Brook vs. Golovkin: A Detailed Fight Review"

Thanks for your assessment of how the fight may play out, I agree with you here. I also appologise for winding you up about being the poster 'rover', you are not, I was wrong.

[Enlightened-One]

Ah, just shit-stirring as usual then.

No. I’m merely making a light-hearted dig at those individuals whose appreciation for Golovkin has progressed to obscene proportions, whereby they become devotees to a human that they believe is an omnipotent god-like being… compelling them to defend their righteous deity at all cost, no matter what is said or by whom.

To be fair, whilst I appreciate that one or two of my posts or threads can be a tad provocative (as reality can often prove itself to be stranger than fiction), the vast majority of the time I’m simply quoting the words articulated by Loeffler, Sanchez and Golovkin… or detailing facts supplied by sources such as The Ring or BoxRec… in parrot-like fashion... and it seems that people would prefer to “shoot the messenger” than to challenge the information provided by third-party sources.

I'm a big GGG fan and will sometimes come to his defense if I think someone is being unfair with him (as per the above)

I wasn’t criticising Golovkin, merely mocking his fans.

…there are some fans who go way beyond that - getting their knickers in a knot if anyone says anything remotely negative about him, his team or his record. I've actually been called a hater for suggesting that GGG should eventually move up to 168lb.

It seems we share common ground, because I possess a deep-seated appreciation for the Kazakh puncher and I too have suggested that his legacy and financial situation would be improved if he fulfilled his promise to prove that he could easily compete at 168lbs… and I got aggressively derided for having the sheer audacity to suggest such a “hideously unreasonable” notion.

For the record, anyone interested in my opinion about the likely winner of the GGG-Jacobs fight, my belief is that Golovkin adopts a defensively sound and patient approach to force a stoppage sometime between rounds five and eight (depending on the level of ambition the American shows).

Finally, for those that remain convinced of my so-called “hatred” of Golovkin, why don’t you read the following post and let me know if those words could be written by a man that detested GGG?

"Brook vs. Golovkin: A Detailed Fight Review"

Thanks for your assessment of how the fight may play out, I agree with you here. I also appologise for winding you up about being the poster 'rover', you are not, I was wrong.

Thank-you.

[Freedom2013]

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[DannyMCR]

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Carl "I'd be too strong for him" Froch

That's some decent footage though mate, never knew he'd said that

[crusader]

Looks like the fight may happen in early 2017. The wording at the end of the article is a bit awkward, and I'm not sure if they mean to say that GGG will fight on December 10th regardless, or if HBO would be willing to move the date for his next fight to accomodate a bout with Jacobs. If GGG does fight on the 10th against someone other than Jacobs, I wouldn't mind seeing him in with Andy Lee, who like Danny is a taller guy with pop. I believe that GGG owes Tureano Johnson a mandatory shot though, so maybe they'd just get that out of the way.

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Middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin and mandatory challenger Danny Jacobs are currently locked in talks with Golovkin’s representative hopeful a deal can be made before the match-up goes to a purse bid.

“Our goal would be to work out a deal,” Golovkin promoter Tom Loeffler said in a text message to RingTV.com on Wednesday, giving an update on the state of the negotiations. “This (is) always more productive.” He added of the discussions, “Still trying to work out the details, hopefully we will have some resolution soon.”

The WBA ordered Golovkin (36-0, 33 knockouts) and Jacobs ((32-1, 29 KOs) to start negotiating on Sept. 12, just two days after Golovkin stopped Kell Brook in five rounds. The two were given 30 days to strike a deal, a cycle that is winding down.

Loeffler has reserved Madison Square Garden for Dec. 10, hopeful the fight could land there on HBO. Jacobs’ side is pushing for the bout to be held at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, which has invested heavily in Jacobs becoming the face of its boxing program. Promoter Lou DiBella has also reserved Dec. 10 at Barclays Center with the expectation the fight could possibly land there.

Loeffler declined to say if Golovkin is married to Dec. 10 and, regardless of the opponent, Golovkin will definitely fight on that date on HBO. There has been some talk behind the scenes of the fight potentially being pushed into 2017. HBO, which has Golovkin under contract, has maintained a flexible outlook on the fight and would move off the Dec. 10 date for Golovkin if a deal is made for early 2017. Jacobs, though he is signed with Al Haymon, who does business with Showtime, is open to fighting on HBO against Golovkin in this instance.

[Enlightened-One]

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Don’t post a lazy áss cherry-picked búllshít quote that excludes pertinent information, such as the true context of those words… post the entire video instead and let people judge for themselves as to whether Froch was being sarcastic or not!

"Froch v Groves Facebook Q&A - Part Two" (skip to the 9:45 mark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV1jSJpDLZI

I swear some people struggle to inhale, exhale and blink at times without requiring a script!

[crusader]

Froch clarified his comments to Boxing News magazine:

"It was tongue in cheek back then... What I will say though is this guy can f*cking punch: he's dangerous and if he can be avoided we'll avoid him. I'll stand by that and I don't give a sh*t. But I'll fight anyone. I'll fight Golovkin, of course I would. At Middleweight he's dangerous but you don't know what he's going to be like at super middleweight do you... Having said that, with what I've seen lately, he looks like he can punch at super middle."

Multiple posters, including a self-proclaimed Froch fan, can attest to this being printed in the magazine, and there used to be a picture of it posted on Boxing Scene. I think Froch would've fought GGG, but he was obviously weary of the danger Golovkin posed.

[Enlightened-One]

Froch clarified his comments to Boxing News magazine:

"It was tongue in cheek back then... What I will say though is this guy can f*cking punch: he's dangerous and if he can be avoided we'll avoid him. I'll stand by that and I don't give a sh*t. But I'll fight anyone. I'll fight Golovkin, of course I would. At Middleweight he's dangerous but you don't know what he's going to be like at super middleweight do you... Having said that, with what I've seen lately, he looks like he can punch at super middle."

Multiple posters, including a self-proclaimed Froch fan, can attest to this being printed in the magazine, and there used to be a picture of it posted on Boxing Scene. I think Froch would've fought GGG, but he was obviously weary of the danger Golovkin posed.

Froch clarified his comments to Boxing News magazine:

"It was tongue in cheek back then. I was being a bit cheeky and you can take those comments with a pinch of salt. What I will say though is this guy can f*cking punch: he's dangerous and if he can be avoided we'll avoid him. "

Multiple posters, including a self-proclaimed Froch fan, can attest to this being printed in the magazine, and there used to be a picture of it posted on Boxing Scene.

So basically, a load of people on a forum, many of whom could have had an agenda, can attest to Carl Froch saying something that they cannot prove?

Dan Rafael told one of his friends, who then told his Aunty, who subsequently shared some information with her hairdresser, a janitor accidently overheard this conversation and then shared this rumour with his son (who happened to use a boxing forum) the following words articulated by ESPN’s leading boxing scribe… when he expressed the following sentiments about the BoxRec forum poster Enlightened-One:

“That man knows his shít! I have never met a human being that knew so much about the sport of boxing as he does. He truly deserves to receive everyone’s praise and adoration!”

Who knows? Perhaps in a few years’ time, that rumour may one day be eventually regarded as an irrefutable fact!

[crusader]

There was a picture posted of the article and I saw it, and people who are favorable to Froch have admitted reading the article in the magazine. No worries if you don't believe me

[Enlightened-One]

In what could be a repeat of the Stevenson-Kovalev situation, it seems that a "Golovkin-Jacobs Purse Bid is Likely."

"Negotiations between the two parties end in six days, on October 12. However, Tom Loeffler, managing director of K2 Promotions who is representing Golovkin, told the WBA that it is unlikely that the parties will reach an agreement before the deadline and recommended that the fight go to a purse bid.

"According to the rules of the organization, Article 9, Section D orders that the percentages for the fight between a Super World and World champion are 75% and 25% respectively."

Even though HBO’s boxing budget has been cut dramatically, they may have some funds remaining after Canelo’s next PPV was postponed due to injury.

And if this is the case, they may have enough money to outbid Haymon (assuming the PBC rumours are true), but if they aren’t, then Golovkin could be forced to vacate his WBA title if HBO lose the purse bid, due to GGG’s exclusive contract with them, hence the repeat of the Kovalev-Stevenson situation.

So if the PBC rumours prove to be false, then they could force GGG to vacate the title if they win the purse bid.

Alternatively, I don’t think there’s anything in the rulebook to prevent a third-party promoter, like Eddie Hearn, outbidding HBO & Haymon, (possibly) resulting in GGG defending his title once again on British shores… and perhaps this is the reason why Loeffler has recommended the purse bid.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

HBO doesn't do pursebids.

[crusader]

If Loeffler recommended the bid I imagine that K2 doesn't just plan to lie down and drop the belt. Maybe they've got a lot of cash to bid with...

[Enlightened-One]

If Loeffler recommended the bid I imagine that K2 doesn't just plan to lie down and drop the belt.

And that's the reason why I feel that one of his allies, like Eddie Hearn, will likely get involved in the purse bid. I am not confident about HBO being willing to invest a significant amount of funds for this fight, given their reduced budget.

[crusader]

And Danny wants a bigger part of the purse split if it goes to bids--I've seen suggestions that he wants 40 percent rather than the customary 25 percent.

I wonder what he'll do if that request is denied...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

If Loeffler recommended the bid I imagine that K2 doesn't just plan to lie down and drop the belt. Maybe they've got a lot of cash to bid with...

I doubt they'll get much resistance from dibella or whomever al sends. Likely Jacobs will end up with less than he was offered.

[Enlightened-One]

Coincidentally, based on all the articles I’ve been reading, the following fighters/fights could all take place on December 10th:
• Golovkin vs. Jacobs
• Joshua vs. Klitschko
• David Haye vs. TBC (possibly Hughie Fury or David Price or Tony Bellew?)
• Parker vs. Ruiz Jr.

Of course, all these rumours could ultimately turn out to be utter nonsense, but the 10th December does appear to be a rather popular date.

[Freedom2013]

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[lefty]

If Loeffler recommended the bid I imagine that K2 doesn't just plan to lie down and drop the belt. Maybe they've got a lot of cash to bid with...

Or they just can't come to an agreement which sounds the more likely scenario.

[jujigatame]

Question bears repeating: Does Jacobs really expect the WBA is going to change their purse bid split rules just for him?

Why not, their rules seem to be pretty fluid and meaningless most of the time anyway. They have multiple champs in damn near every weight class.

[boxing_rocks]

Question bears repeating: Does Jacobs really expect the WBA is going to change their purse bid split rules just for him?

Why not, their rules seem to be pretty fluid and meaningless most of the time anyway. They have multiple champs in damn near every weight class.

I doubt that they change their rules for Jacobs to displease Golovkin's side. That 25% split is the main incentive for Jacobs to take whatever Loefler is offering, as the purse bid will not be high enough for Jacobs to get that amount.

[lefty]

Question bears repeating: Does Jacobs really expect the WBA is going to change their purse bid split rules just for him?

Why not, their rules seem to be pretty fluid and meaningless most of the time anyway. They have multiple champs in damn near every weight class.

I doubt that they change their rules for Jacobs to displease Golovkin's side. That 25% split is the main incentive for Jacobs to take whatever Loefler is offering, as the purse bid will not be high enough for Jacobs to get that amount.

Depends on what Haymon bids surely? Also Al could just put in a ridiculous bid knowing that Golovkin can't fight off of HBO and would have to vacate his title and he wouldn't have to pay out the sum anyway.

[jujigatame]

That's exactly what he did with the Stevenson/Kovalev purse bid. Totally outwitted Kathy Duva.