Dave Coldwell

[DannyMCR]

Well thank you for informing me of that,your a fountain of knowledge arnt u? Oh and im sorry if me posting that hearn should do more for a family that had just lost their dad,son and boyfriend,im a bad person for suggesting such a thing ey. £7,440 is a drop in the ocean for mr hearn and u know it.

Still not happy?

He’s not a Hearn fighter, Hearn is under no legal or moral obligation is Hearn under to provide.

He was doing a good deed by giving 100% of a days tickets sales to the fund, but you pissed on that gesture. He doubled the amount from his own pocket and you still cant given credit where it is due. You sound like either a really.......nah forget it. Enjoy you day.

And u buddy,dont know why YOUR takin it so personal,if u like hearn and dont like ppl bashin him thats up to u to own it,ye £7,440 is a good gesture but half of that was really payed by the public,hatton isnt his manager or promotor either but still dipped into his own pocket and not only put £5 G's in but strted the ball rolling for £45+ G's now that gets credit and respect. Enjoy ur day pal ans watch you dont get a headache bangin ur head on that wall

If £7,440 is a drop in the ocean for Hearn, what size 'drop' have you donated?

[bodyactive]

Eddie Hearne .Dave Coldwell sh-t sticks if you ask me.2 people obsessed with money.1 has a longer tongue than the other.Matchroom have always been good promoters to work with but when u get the likes of coldwell worming his way in and sucking u know what it opens your eyes and makes you realise they both as bad.If hearne puts in money for Towell then Coldwell should put in for Jerome but not 1p

[rhino222]

Exactly so put his hand in his own pocket and give to the towell family

the Board should pay them first they make loads too and should pay them through insurance

THIS

here here. Ive said before, fighters should pay 3 - 5% of purses for events such as this.

[TheGman]

Still not happy?

He’s not a Hearn fighter, Hearn is under no legal or moral obligation is Hearn under to provide.

He was doing a good deed by giving 100% of a days tickets sales to the fund, but you pissed on that gesture. He doubled the amount from his own pocket and you still cant given credit where it is due. You sound like either a really.......nah forget it. Enjoy you day.

And u buddy,dont know why YOUR takin it so personal,if u like hearn and dont like ppl bashin him thats up to u to own it,ye £7,440 is a good gesture but half of that was really payed by the public,hatton isnt his manager or promotor either but still dipped into his own pocket and not only put £5 G's in but strted the ball rolling for £45+ G's now that gets credit and respect. Enjoy ur day pal ans watch you dont get a headache bangin ur head on that wall

If £7,440 is a drop in the ocean for Hearn, what size 'drop' have you donated?

Iv donated a tenner what have u donated?

[TheGman]

Still not happy?

He’s not a Hearn fighter, Hearn is under no legal or moral obligation is Hearn under to provide.

He was doing a good deed by giving 100% of a days tickets sales to the fund, but you pissed on that gesture. He doubled the amount from his own pocket and you still cant given credit where it is due. You sound like either a really.......nah forget it. Enjoy you day.

And u buddy,dont know why YOUR takin it so personal,if u like hearn and dont like ppl bashin him thats up to u to own it,ye £7,440 is a good gesture but half of that was really payed by the public,hatton isnt his manager or promotor either but still dipped into his own pocket and not only put £5 G's in but strted the ball rolling for £45+ G's now that gets credit and respect. Enjoy ur day pal ans watch you dont get a headache bangin ur head on that wall

If £7,440 is a drop in the ocean for Hearn, what size 'drop' have you donated?

And i bet pound for pound it works out i gave more than hearn if u work out what he is on to me

[Anzi]

Slap Bang Wallop loves arguments and won't admit when he is wrong, ever ! Guess he loves Eddie. I agree it is not a lot for someone so rich, it depends on the individual, Eddie has given more to Amateur clubs, at times, in donations, however, I do agree that people who make big money from boxers putting their health on the line, should contribute generously in times like these.

Pot, kettle! Remember the time you had so many accounts on Eastside boxing that they were even arguing with each other!?

if you believe that, then you are more stupid, then I thought you was or should I say greener then the Irish colors lol.

[whiskey]

I don't know Hearn - but I do know there's been a trend of offering up large sums to various people and gyms.

I recall when Barker got his shot at Martinez, he let him keep the manager's fees and other associated bonuses. He took the sky TV payment towards Matchroom but otherwise left Barker with the rest.

I think the passing of Mike Towell was very sad, as his story embodied the lion's share of professional boxers - i.e. holding down a job and boxing where they can, but unfortunately for his family it ended in tragedy.

It would be a good idea if the BBBoC added 1% to sanctioned cards towards some sort of benevolent fund towards the likes of JoJo and Jerome etc. I'm sure punters and promoters alike wouldn't mind a tiny fraction of their spend going towards a legit, transparent and well-organised scheme that can step in when bad incidents occur inside the ring.

I earn an average wage but donated £50.00 to the cause, but regardless who earns what - every penny counts for Towell's partner and young son at this terrible time, and they should be the focus of people's minds.

[TopGun]

I don't know Hearn - but I do know there's been a trend of offering up large sums to various people and gyms.

I recall when Barker got his shot at Martinez, he let him keep the manager's fees and other associated bonuses. He took the sky TV payment towards Matchroom but otherwise left Barker with the rest.

I think the passing of Mike Towell was very sad, as his story embodied the lion's share of professional boxers - i.e. holding down a job and boxing where they can, but unfortunately for his family it ended in tragedy.

It would be a good idea if the BBBoC added 1% to sanctioned cards towards some sort of benevolent fund towards the likes of JoJo and Jerome etc. I'm sure punters and promoters alike wouldn't mind a tiny fraction of their spend going towards a legit, transparent and well-organised scheme that can step in when bad incidents occur inside the ring.

I earn an average wage but donated £50.00 to the cause, but regardless who earns what - every penny counts for Towell's partner and young son at this terrible time, and they should be the focus of people's minds.

Good on you Gomez for dontaing £50

[whiskey]

Good on you Gomez for dontaing £50

Being honest, we live in an age now where every other day someone is asking for a donation for this or that - a fun run, movember, dryathon (what the hell even is that?) and it's become saturated. Also I don't actually trust a lot of these organisations. Only Wishes for Kids is something I support.

But when the actual person is benefitting, not a faceless organisation - then I try to give what little I can.

I also have a little boy not much older than Towell's son.

[TopGun]

Good on you Gomez for dontaing £50

Being honest, we live in an age now where every other day someone is asking for a donation for this or that - a fun run, movember, dryathon (what the hell even is that?) and it's become saturated. Also I don't actually trust a lot of these organisations. Only Wishes for Kids is something I support.

But when the actual person is benefitting, not a faceless organisation - then I try to give what little I can.

I also have a little boy not much older than Towell's son.

I agree its fun runs every other bleeding week! Makes me sound tight when I get out of sponsoring people but I'd be broke as you have to give a min £10. But with regards to the sport of boxing people think that everyone gets well paid. Which is only the top 1% of boxers that joe public hear about.

[tobyh5]

For an example of charities and how much they donate, in 2014 these figures were published showing these percentages of total income being spent on charitable activities:-
British Heart Foundation - 46%
Age UK - 48%
Sue Ryder - 46%
Marie Curie - 65%
Cancer UK - 64%
and LLoyds Register Trust - ONE PER CENT!

As Gomez said, too often in charities too little reaches the actual cause which holds me back from supporting, but an account that goes direct to the family like in this instance is different. A fund set up from purses, a percentage on ticket fees etc, well I wonder what percentage of that would reach the affected people. Emergency funds like this send it all across

[TheGman]

I don't know Hearn - but I do know there's been a trend of offering up large sums to various people and gyms.

I recall when Barker got his shot at Martinez, he let him keep the manager's fees and other associated bonuses. He took the sky TV payment towards Matchroom but otherwise left Barker with the rest.

I think the passing of Mike Towell was very sad, as his story embodied the lion's share of professional boxers - i.e. holding down a job and boxing where they can, but unfortunately for his family it ended in tragedy.

It would be a good idea if the BBBoC added 1% to sanctioned cards towards some sort of benevolent fund towards the likes of JoJo and Jerome etc. I'm sure punters and promoters alike wouldn't mind a tiny fraction of their spend going towards a legit, transparent and well-organised scheme that can step in when bad incidents occur inside the ring.

I earn an average wage but donated £50.00 to the cause, but regardless who earns what - every penny counts for Towell's partner and young son at this terrible time, and they should be the focus of people's minds.

Totally agree with everything you said GOmez.

[bodyactive]

I don't know Hearn - but I do know there's been a trend of offering up large sums to various people and gyms.

I recall when Barker got his shot at Martinez, he let him keep the manager's fees and other associated bonuses. He took the sky TV payment towards Matchroom but otherwise left Barker with the rest.

I think the passing of Mike Towell was very sad, as his story embodied the lion's share of professional boxers - i.e. holding down a job and boxing where they can, but unfortunately for his family it ended in tragedy.

It would be a good idea if the BBBoC added 1% to sanctioned cards towards some sort of benevolent fund towards the likes of JoJo and Jerome etc. I'm sure punters and promoters alike wouldn't mind a tiny fraction of their spend going towards a legit, transparent and well-organised scheme that can step in when bad incidents occur inside the ring.

I earn an average wage but donated £50.00 to the cause, but regardless who earns what - every penny counts for Towell's partner and young son at this terrible time, and they should be the focus of people's minds.

Totally agree with everything you said GOmez.

so do i but when a fighter as been injured through bad management the managers should be putting in too

[bodyactive]

Jan other thing is I can remember a young 13 year old coming to the gym with his dad as he wanted to join the club and he came from another club so he got his best 2 young lads to beat this kid up and he never came back

[bodyactive]

The person who had his teeth knocked out in the gym confronted him at an amateur championships and he started crying he was that scared ringing for help because he couldn't deal with it

[Switch hitter]

Everybody has stories about people ....it's just a way of life.... especially when jealousy creeps in.

[BigDoofus]

Sorry to hear that. His dad Denton is a friend through the bodybuilding, a well known and liked character.

This is his dad btw. Some people may be surprised
https://youtu.be/9XJnNQ45Dp0

If they read Jerome's book, they might be surprised at how many kids that Denton has fathered.

[jamesmcdonnell]

For an example of charities and how much they donate, in 2014 these figures were published showing these percentages of total income being spent on charitable activities:-
British Heart Foundation - 46%
Age UK - 48%
Sue Ryder - 46%
Marie Curie - 65%
Cancer UK - 64%
and LLoyds Register Trust - ONE PER CENT!

As Gomez said, too often in charities too little reaches the actual cause which holds me back from supporting, but an account that goes direct to the family like in this instance is different. A fund set up from purses, a percentage on ticket fees etc, well I wonder what percentage of that would reach the affected people. Emergency funds like this send it all across

Those figures are pretty good, you have to consider that to raise money, you have to campaign, this means paying for advertisting, employing campaign staff, management etc. If you think of the percentage they donate as the equivalent of operating profit in the commercial sector, then they are doing very well indeed, many businesses would settle for an operating profit of 48%, in fact the vast majority, 64% is even better.

It's all about context. I work in a private sector business that has very high margins on what it sells, in the region of 70% or more, but the operating profit after staff, marketing, etc is probably more like 20%. I'd say that those charities are pretty efficient if they manage those kind of figures after wage bills and other costs.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It's a shame that a lot of people involved with boxing outside of the ring seem to be self serving, egotistical, untrustworthy bullies and wannabe (or real) local gangsters.

In all the time i've been around the sport it's really rare that a trainer/manager/promoter is universally liked or respected as a decent honest person, always seems to be a few nasty stories/rumours about everyone.

Ironically the majority of actual boxers i've known have been the opposite - friendly, genuine, sincere guys with few bad intentions, at least outside the ring.

Probably explains why so many fighters have ended up exploited+treated like crap by the ars*holes at the business end of the game.

Nothing to do with Coldwell by the way, i thought he comes across as one of the nice guys of the sport, but the stories/rumours in this thread just seem to illustrate my point.
Sad really.

The people who make this sport what it is (fighters) always get the poo end of the bargain and their the ones puttin ther body through the mill while the likes of trainers promotors managers reap the rewards,like ,for instance,hearn saying the other day "any ticket sold in the next 24hours goes to towell's family" now if i was hearn and i wanted to do good for towell and his family i would open up my wallet pull out a cheque and startin moving my pen across it not get the public to do it,all rats and the only decent ppl in boxing is the boxers

That's a very simplistic story - there are many safer and more profitable businesses to go into than boxing, for every huge success, there are many failures. Hearn is doing ok, but he also has to invest heavily in fighters, it's not all one-way traffic.

[tobyh5]

For an example of charities and how much they donate, in 2014 these figures were published showing these percentages of total income being spent on charitable activities:-
British Heart Foundation - 46%
Age UK - 48%
Sue Ryder - 46%
Marie Curie - 65%
Cancer UK - 64%
and LLoyds Register Trust - ONE PER CENT!

As Gomez said, too often in charities too little reaches the actual cause which holds me back from supporting, but an account that goes direct to the family like in this instance is different. A fund set up from purses, a percentage on ticket fees etc, well I wonder what percentage of that would reach the affected people. Emergency funds like this send it all across

Those figures are pretty good, you have to consider that to raise money, you have to campaign, this means paying for advertisting, employing campaign staff, management etc. If you think of the percentage they donate as the equivalent of operating profit in the commercial sector, then they are doing very well indeed, many businesses would settle for an operating profit of 48%, in fact the vast majority, 64% is even better.

It's all about context. I work in a private sector business that has very high margins on what it sells, in the region of 70% or more, but the operating profit after staff, marketing, etc is probably more like 20%. I'd say that those charities are pretty efficient if they manage those kind of figures after wage bills and other costs.

Very good point and well made.

My business runs at 30% and yep, would love the extra dollar of another 15% or more

[Counter-puncher]

My guess would be that 'charitable activities' include the wages paid to carry out those activities, and that would be a sizeable part of the overall wagebill, so I doubt its as simple as equating 45% with 'profit'.

[jamesmcdonnell]

My guess would be that 'charitable activities' include the wages paid to carry out those activities, and that would be a sizeable part of the overall wagebill, so I doubt its as simple as equating 45% with 'profit'.

That's a guess however. I'm not certain, but Charities do get an awful lot of stick, somewhat unfairly I think.

Sure, people make good money out of a career in the sector, but so what, should everyone just donate their time for free.

In my experience, I'd always rather someone was paid for what they do, because it makes them accountable, people who work for free can rightly withdraw their labour and be unreliable - if I ever ask anyone to do any work for me, even friends, I insist on paying them for their time.

[Counter-puncher]

My guess would be that 'charitable activities' include the wages paid to carry out those activities, and that would be a sizeable part of the overall wagebill, so I doubt its as simple as equating 45% with 'profit'.

That's a guess however. I'm not certain, but Charities do get an awful lot of stick, somewhat unfairly I think.

Sure, people make good money out of a career in the sector, but so what, should everyone just donate their time for free.

In my experience, I'd always rather someone was paid for what they do, because it makes them accountable, people who work for free can rightly withdraw their labour and be unreliable - if I ever ask anyone to do any work for me, even friends, I insist on paying them for their time.

its a guess based on experience being involved with the accounts of charities, to be more specific. I don't disagree that they get unfair stick, but there are certain fundamental/structural problems with charities that make them somewhat inefficient, almost by definition. they are self-evidently under pressure to give the most flattering possible figures concerning the proportion of their 'total income being spent on charitable activities', and it won't be the case that the 45 or whatever % includes no staff fees other than those involved with directly delivering charitable activities. they can stretch those definitions pretty widely.

[jamesmcdonnell]

My guess would be that 'charitable activities' include the wages paid to carry out those activities, and that would be a sizeable part of the overall wagebill, so I doubt its as simple as equating 45% with 'profit'.

That's a guess however. I'm not certain, but Charities do get an awful lot of stick, somewhat unfairly I think.

Sure, people make good money out of a career in the sector, but so what, should everyone just donate their time for free.

In my experience, I'd always rather someone was paid for what they do, because it makes them accountable, people who work for free can rightly withdraw their labour and be unreliable - if I ever ask anyone to do any work for me, even friends, I insist on paying them for their time.

its a guess based on experience being involved with the accounts of charities, to be more specific. I don't disagree that they get unfair stick, but there are certain fundamental/structural problems with charities that make them somewhat inefficient, almost by definition. they are self-evidently under pressure to give the most flattering possible figures concerning the proportion of their 'total income being spent on charitable activities', and it won't be the case that the 45 or whatever % includes no staff fees other than those involved with directly delivering charitable activities. they can stretch those definitions pretty widely.

Well, they are no different to their commercial counterparts in that respect, every company presents it's figures in the best light, hell, some outright fabricate them entirely.

[Counter-puncher]

indeed