List fighters with a better resume than Floyd Mayweather

[gilgamesh]

Floyd has some big names on his resume but all of them where conveniently placed there carefully by Floyd and his handlers, never really facing the best in their prime. Some of them were before their prime but most of them were well past their prime when Floyd was able to notch them into the tree as wins. See, that's Floyd's career in a nutshell and why he'll never be on any all time great list i ever give credence to. Not only did he fight them after their prime, he fought them with distinct advantages in every possible way from where it was fought, how it was fought, what gloves they used against him and what is most damaging, he was able to take PED's and ilegal infusions when he was strictly against his opposition taking them.

He's a magic trick and a one trick pony. That's all he is and all he'll be remembered as. Never fought a number one contender in years holding the belt. PUNK to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

Mosley was the #1 contender when he fought Floyd. Jose Luis Castillo was the #1 contender heading into the rematch. I'm sure there are other examples to, those are just a few that immediately come to mind.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Shane was the champion.

[Enlightened-One]

Over a timespan of ONE YEAR AND NINE MONTHS, Sugar Ray Leonard engaged in fights against the likes of the following fighters:

• Captured the WBC World welterweight title against the unbeaten Hall-of-Famer, Wilfred Benitez, who himself had competed in seven world title fights over two weight divisions, losing only two of them (to Thomas Hearns and Ray Leonard), and holds victories over the likes of Carlos Palomino, Maurice Hope and Roberto Duran.

• Successfully defended his WBC World welterweight title against the WBC's 10th rated 147lb-er in the form of Dave 'Boy' Green.

• Lost the WBC World welterweight title against the Hall-of-Famer, Roberto Duran, who had only tasted defeat once over a twelve year and three month career.

• Regained the WBC World welterweight title against the Hall-of-Famer, Roberto Duran, becoming only the second man to inflict a defeat on an all-time-great that had been competing as a pro for more than twelve years and nine months.

• Successfully defended his WBC World welterweight title against the WBC's 6th rated 147lb-er in the form of Larry Bonds.

• Captured the WBA World super welterweight title against the undefeated Ayub Kalule, who himself had competed in six world title fights, losing only one of them and holds a victory of the great Sumbu Kalambay. His four losses came against naturally bigger and genuinely greater fighters, such as Ray Leonard, Mike McCallum, Herol Graham and Davey Moore.

• Unified the WBC and WBA World welterweight title when he became the first man to inflict a defeat on the Hall-of-Famer, Thomas Hearns' resume.

I didn't bother to list the accomplishments of Roberto Duran and Tommy ‘Hitman’ Hearns, because I’d only be stating the obvious.

For sure, I’m not proposing that Sugar Ray’s career surpasses that of Floyd Mayweather Jr., but in terms of a evaluating someone’s resume over their short-term prime years (such as the span of 21 months or seven fights), I don’t think anyone surpasses Leonard.

[Keko]

Lennox > Mayweather

In a p4p sense, the top 10 fighters at 147 should be ranked higher than any heavyweight.
In every heavyweight golden era, look at what th 147 pound division was doing.
Always the most skilled and most competitive.

I agre 100%.

[Impractical Poster]

It's unfair as the fighters from the past, early to mid 1900's, fought exponentially more than the fighters of today. They also fought everyone around. Floyd carefully picked fighters and fought barely twice a year while retiring twice in his prime.

As for in his own era, I'd take Manny's resume over Floyd's.

[Lackeos]

For comparison, Mayweather's best opponents, in approximate order, were aging Pacquiao with an injured shoulder, Diego Corrales, 23-year-old likely pre-prime Alvarez, blown-up Marquez, and Ricky Hatton. On paper, that's a pathetic list of wins compared to most anyone we're going to be discussing in this thread. But he benefits from most ATG's also have more in-prime losses going against them.

Sugar Ray Robinson Not going to waste my time. On paper, SRR has the best resume of all-time, and there are 0 non-idiots who dispute that.
Carlos MonzonEmile Griffith, Jose Napoles, Nino Benvenuti, Jean Claude Bouttier, Rodrigo Valdes, etc.. Undefeated in his prime.
Rocky Marciano Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott, etc. Undefeated.
Henry Armstrong Barney Ross, Lou Ambers, Lew Jenkins, Caferino Garcia
Gene Tunney Harry Greb, Jack Dempsey, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran. Avenged his only defeat.
Joe Louis Max Baer, Billy Conn, Max Schmeling, Jim Braddock, Primo Carnera, Buddy Baer, Tony Galento, Bob Pastor, Arturo Godoy, Jersey Joe Walcott, Lou Nova, John Henry Lewis, Tami Mauriello, Al Ettore, Tommy Farr, Nathan Mann, Lee Savold, past-it Jimmy Bivins. What the actual f*ck.
Ezzard Charles Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins, Joey Maxim, Jersey Joe Walcott, Elmer Ray, Pat Valentino
Pernell Whitaker Unofficially beat JCC and DLH. Azumah Nelson, Greg Haugen, Buddy McGirt, Jose Luis Ramirez. Basically no losses in his prime except 1 robbery, and a second robbery around the end of his prime.
Muhammad Ali George Foreman, Joe Frazier, aging Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, past-it Floyd Patterson, past-it Archie Moore, etc.. Avenged all of his in-prime defeats.
Sugar Ray Leonard Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez. Avenged his only in-prime defeat.

There are various other fighters who are considered to have comparable to or better resumes than Mayweather, and I consider candidates for listing, but don't blow his resume away in such a dramatically absurd fashion -- Sandy Saddler, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Floyd Patterson, Joe Frazier, Tommy Hearns, Julio Cesar Chavez, Archie Moore, Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Roberto Duran, Max Schmeling, etc..

[Lennox]

Floyd has some big names on his resume but all of them where conveniently placed there carefully by Floyd and his handlers, never really facing the best in their prime. Some of them were before their prime but most of them were well past their prime when Floyd was able to notch them into the tree as wins. See, that's Floyd's career in a nutshell and why he'll never be on any all time great list i ever give credence to. Not only did he fight them after their prime, he fought them with distinct advantages in every possible way from where it was fought, how it was fought, what gloves they used against him and what is most damaging, he was able to take PED's and ilegal infusions when he was strictly against his opposition taking them.

He's a magic trick and a one trick pony. That's all he is and all he'll be remembered as. Never fought a number one contender in years holding the belt. PUNK to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

Total nonsense. See earlier post.

[Keko]

1. Sam Langford
2. Harry Greb
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Roberto Duran
7. Archie Moore
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Benny Leonard
10. Willie Pep

The list is the better resume no p4p all time.


Floyd surely the very top of this list.I definitely won a lot of great boxer and champion.

[Boxing Writer]

Canelo is a much more complete fighter than qawi I guess he's a better boxer than mosley and Oscar as well

Qawi was on the different level comparing to Canelo, who is probably the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing. I think Qawi was also more skilled than Oscar and Mosley, especially the versions that Floyd beat

complete rubbish qawi was a tough strong pressure fighter but not elite he wasn't a big puncher even , other than said muhhamed he got beat every time he stepped up ,he got done by ossie ocasio . to say qawi is more skilled than mosley is just laughable get back to cage fighting homeboy ..

Not elite? LOL

Obviously you hadn't seen his fights. Qawi had incredible defense, great punch variety, great chin and good power. He wasn't as athletic or fast as Shane, and Shane was bigger puncher P4P. So yeas, prime Shane (but not the version that Floyd fought) was probably better than prime Qawi, but it doesn't mean he was more skilled. It's like Roy Jones vs James Toney. Toney was more skilled, but Jones was better overall with all his advantages in athleticism and speed.

[caldo2025]

Floyd has some big names on his resume but all of them where conveniently placed there carefully by Floyd and his handlers, never really facing the best in their prime. Some of them were before their prime but most of them were well past their prime when Floyd was able to notch them into the tree as wins. See, that's Floyd's career in a nutshell and why he'll never be on any all time great list i ever give credence to. Not only did he fight them after their prime, he fought them with distinct advantages in every possible way from where it was fought, how it was fought, what gloves they used against him and what is most damaging, he was able to take PED's and ilegal infusions when he was strictly against his opposition taking them.

He's a magic trick and a one trick pony. That's all he is and all he'll be remembered as. Never fought a number one contender in years holding the belt. PUNK to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

Mosley was the #1 contender when he fought Floyd. Jose Luis Castillo was the #1 contender heading into the rematch. I'm sure there are other examples to, those are just a few that immediately come to mind.

There's no way Mosley was the #1 contender for that fight.

[caldo2025]

Floyd has some big names on his resume but all of them where conveniently placed there carefully by Floyd and his handlers, never really facing the best in their prime. Some of them were before their prime but most of them were well past their prime when Floyd was able to notch them into the tree as wins. See, that's Floyd's career in a nutshell and why he'll never be on any all time great list i ever give credence to. Not only did he fight them after their prime, he fought them with distinct advantages in every possible way from where it was fought, how it was fought, what gloves they used against him and what is most damaging, he was able to take PED's and ilegal infusions when he was strictly against his opposition taking them.

He's a magic trick and a one trick pony. That's all he is and all he'll be remembered as. Never fought a number one contender in years holding the belt. PUNK to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

Total nonsense. See earlier post.

Screw, like I'm going to go looking for that rubbish.

[Ricky_]

Floyd has some big names on his resume but all of them where conveniently placed there carefully by Floyd and his handlers, never really facing the best in their prime. Some of them were before their prime but most of them were well past their prime when Floyd was able to notch them into the tree as wins. See, that's Floyd's career in a nutshell and why he'll never be on any all time great list i ever give credence to. Not only did he fight them after their prime, he fought them with distinct advantages in every possible way from where it was fought, how it was fought, what gloves they used against him and what is most damaging, he was able to take PED's and ilegal infusions when he was strictly against his opposition taking them.

He's a magic trick and a one trick pony. That's all he is and all he'll be remembered as. Never fought a number one contender in years holding the belt. PUNK to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

Mosley was the #1 contender when he fought Floyd. Jose Luis Castillo was the #1 contender heading into the rematch. I'm sure there are other examples to, those are just a few that immediately come to mind.

Mosley was about 85% shot and still nearly put Floyd's lights out. And this was when Floyd was doing his level best to duck Pacquiao. Is this seriously to be regarded as the highlight of resume? Castillo was #1 because he beat Floyd comfortably the first time.

I really like Floyd's knockout win over Ortiz though.

This guy has came out the other side the most overrated fighter in history. His career post-Hatton was nothing more than an exhibition in cherry picking, holding and running. It's alot easier to pull off too when you got the comission, drug testing agencies, judges & bayless in your pocket.

[caldo2025]

Floyd has some big names on his resume but all of them where conveniently placed there carefully by Floyd and his handlers, never really facing the best in their prime. Some of them were before their prime but most of them were well past their prime when Floyd was able to notch them into the tree as wins. See, that's Floyd's career in a nutshell and why he'll never be on any all time great list i ever give credence to. Not only did he fight them after their prime, he fought them with distinct advantages in every possible way from where it was fought, how it was fought, what gloves they used against him and what is most damaging, he was able to take PED's and ilegal infusions when he was strictly against his opposition taking them.

He's a magic trick and a one trick pony. That's all he is and all he'll be remembered as. Never fought a number one contender in years holding the belt. PUNK to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

Mosley was the #1 contender when he fought Floyd. Jose Luis Castillo was the #1 contender heading into the rematch. I'm sure there are other examples to, those are just a few that immediately come to mind.

Mosley was about 85% shot and still nearly put Floyd's lights out. And this was when Floyd was doing his level best to duck Pacquiao. Is this seriously to be regarded as the highlight of resume? Castillo was #1 because he beat Floyd comfortably the first time.

I really like Floyd's knockout win over Ortiz though.

This guy has came out the other side the most overrated fighter in history. His career post-Hatton was nothing more than an exhibition in cherry picking, holding and running. It's alot easier to pull off too when you got the comission, drug testing agencies, judges & bayless in your pocket.

The worst part about it is that Floyd may have been TBE for all I know. He certainly had the skills to beat anyone in their prime but he never had the nuggets to chance it so we'll never know. We'll also never know how he would have faired away from Vegas and Moretti in these big fights.

What about when Floyd almost cried and held his breath stomping his feet when he didn't like the gloves that Maidana was wearing in that first fight. The gloves that were approved by all the powers that be. The gloves that he trained with. Floyd was able to get the rules changed so Maidana was fighting with these foreign gloves for the first time. Unheard of.

No champion has EVER had the tables tipped so heavily in his favor for each and every title defense he made than Floyd. That can not be debated. From the IV he took before the Manny fight after denying Manny's request for a Toradol shot to the criminal way Kenny Baylis refereed the second Maidana fight. I could list dozens more reasons why Floyd's reign was marred with controversy and inequity.

But again, I think he may have had the skills to beat anyone in their prime but he never took on the challenge and that's the saddest part about his career. ATG, no way. Fantastic Boxer? Absolutely. But most greats craved great challenges during their reigns but couldn't find any. Floyd had plenty of stiff competition available but he chose to dance around them literally and figuratively.

[Ricky_]

Mosley was the #1 contender when he fought Floyd. Jose Luis Castillo was the #1 contender heading into the rematch. I'm sure there are other examples to, those are just a few that immediately come to mind.

Mosley was about 85% shot and still nearly put Floyd's lights out. And this was when Floyd was doing his level best to duck Pacquiao. Is this seriously to be regarded as the highlight of resume? Castillo was #1 because he beat Floyd comfortably the first time.

I really like Floyd's knockout win over Ortiz though.

This guy has came out the other side the most overrated fighter in history. His career post-Hatton was nothing more than an exhibition in cherry picking, holding and running. It's alot easier to pull off too when you got the comission, drug testing agencies, judges & bayless in your pocket.

The worst part about it is that Floyd may have been TBE for all I know. He certainly had the skills to beat anyone in their prime but he never had the nuggets to chance it so we'll never know. We'll also never know how he would have faired away from Vegas and Moretti in these big fights.

What about when Floyd almost cried and held his breath stomping his feet when he didn't like the gloves that Maidana was wearing in that first fight. The gloves that were approved by all the powers that be. The gloves that he trained with. Floyd was able to get the rules changed so Maidana was fighting with these foreign gloves for the first time. Unheard of.

No champion has EVER had the tables tipped so heavily in his favor for each and every title defense he made than Floyd. That can not be debated. From the IV he took before the Manny fight after denying Manny's request for a Toradol shot to the criminal way Kenny Baylis refereed the second Maidana fight. I could list dozens more reasons why Floyd's reign was marred with controversy and inequity.

But again, I think he may have had the skills to beat anyone in their prime but he never took on the challenge and that's the saddest part about his career. ATG, no way. Fantastic Boxer? Absolutely. But most greats craved great challenges during their reigns but couldn't find any. Floyd had plenty of stiff competition available but he chose to dance around them literally and figuratively.

he never could have been GOAT because he couldn't punch in the 2nd half of his career. if someone's going to lay claim to being greater than the likes of SRR then they need the whole package and they damn sure gotta be able to punch.

[IKSRTFO]

Tyson, Holyfield, Vitali on one side....And Pac, Oscar, Mosley (Cotto) on another side....If you have to choose between these two groups ???
I would always (absolutely always) choose the first group, without any dilemma...

The resumes both go deeper than just those biggest names. Floyd has a deeper resume than Lennox because there are a lot more high level guys on it. If you wanted to make the case that Lennox has a bigger single win than anything on Floyd's resume I could see a case being made for that. If you think he has a better total resume, I just don't see it.

+1 This post, nails it, its not even close, FW was a number 1 by all magazines in 6 weight classes not just a 6 weight #world# champion, He beat more number 1s, 2s, 3s than anyone, he had very few fights against average opposition. He is 49-0, he is 33-0 against top 50 opponents (no one has ever been better) 21-0 against top 5 fighters (no one has ever been better) same with top 10s, 20s 30s, here are the opponent rankings for the 49 fights (W == not top 100 and ? I have not sorted yet but they are between 28-70 rankings)
W W W W W W W W W ? ? W ? ? W ? ? 1 3 18 22 15 19 ? 2 53 4 1 4 26 2 7 9 4 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 4 1 4 2 4 6 2 22

Floyd hasn't even fought in 6 weightclasses

[IKSRTFO]

Lennox > Mayweather

In a p4p sense, the top 10 fighters at 147 should be ranked higher than any heavyweight.
In every heavyweight golden era, look at what th 147 pound division was doing.
Always the most skilled and most competitive.

I agre 100%.

Maybe,but P4P also factors in resume along with skill. When you bring in someone like Ali, who fought legends at their peak, he would be number one over the average welter who grabs a belt and waits for politics to make fights happen.

[IKSRTFO]

Floyd has some big names on his resume but all of them where conveniently placed there carefully by Floyd and his handlers, never really facing the best in their prime. Some of them were before their prime but most of them were well past their prime when Floyd was able to notch them into the tree as wins. See, that's Floyd's career in a nutshell and why he'll never be on any all time great list i ever give credence to. Not only did he fight them after their prime, he fought them with distinct advantages in every possible way from where it was fought, how it was fought, what gloves they used against him and what is most damaging, he was able to take PED's and ilegal infusions when he was strictly against his opposition taking them.

He's a magic trick and a one trick pony. That's all he is and all he'll be remembered as. Never fought a number one contender in years holding the belt. PUNK to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

Mosley was the #1 contender when he fought Floyd. Jose Luis Castillo was the #1 contender heading into the rematch. I'm sure there are other examples to, those are just a few that immediately come to mind.

There's no way Mosley was the #1 contender for that fight.

He was. Doesn't mean he wasn't past prime as was the case with DLH. Both had been out for a year and both were clearly on the downside. It's forgotten Shane was struggling with Mayorga before he had the last round KO.

[gilgamesh]

1. Sam Langford
2. Harry Greb
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Roberto Duran
7. Archie Moore
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Benny Leonard
10. Willie Pep

The list is the better resume no p4p all time.


Floyd surely the very top of this list.I definitely won a lot of great boxer and champion.

These guys have better resumes

[Syntax Error]

Some people here seem to believe that Mayweather doesn't belong in the top 30. I have limited knowledge of history, maybe someone here can point me to 10 fighters who had a better resume than Floyd Mayweather. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Look, it very hard to compare. Especially the fighters from different eras. For example, Jimmy McLarnin had clearly better list of wins but also 11 losses. Holyfield's list of wins is better than Floyd's too, but he has 10 losses. Even if you take into account only his "in prime" losses, Evander has 3, while Floyd has 0 (at least officially).

i'm a holyfield fan but i wouldn't say he has better wins than floyd, is a shot tyson better than an old oscar or riddick bowe better than JMM .i'd say cotto,mosley , canelo and manny are better than buster douglas or an old foreman

Tyson was shot in 1996?

He might not have been at his best, but he was far from shot & besides, Holyfield was further gone that Tyson was & still managed to prevail.

[gilgamesh]

Mosley was the #1 contender when he fought Floyd. Jose Luis Castillo was the #1 contender heading into the rematch. I'm sure there are other examples to, those are just a few that immediately come to mind.

There's no way Mosley was the #1 contender for that fight.

He was. Doesn't mean he wasn't past prime as was the case with DLH. Both had been out for a year and both were clearly on the downside. It's forgotten Shane was struggling with Mayorga before he had the last round KO.

He had stomped the bejesus out of Margarito prior to fighting Floyd. People always sh*t on Floyd for fighting Mosley and De La Hoya past their primes, but go back and watch his fights from 2003. He calls out Mosley and De La Hoya after those fights every time. Meaning at the time he would've been willing to jump up 3 weight classes to fight either of them. He always wanted to fight those guys, he just wasn't always the kinda star that was worth their time. By the time the Mosley fight came around the tables had turned and Mosley wanted to fight him.

De La Hoya while I was never a fan has to be admired because he fought Floyd for no other reason except Floyd was P4P #1 and he wanted to beat him. I wish there were more fighters like that these days.

De La Hoya never could quite pull that off. He tried multiple times to fight the guy that was at or near the top of the P4P list, but he never could win...he tried more than anybody else ever does though.

[Keko]

1. Sam Langford
2. Harry Greb
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Roberto Duran
7. Archie Moore
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Benny Leonard
10. Willie Pep

The list is the better resume no p4p all time.


Floyd surely the very top of this list.I definitely won a lot of great boxer and champion.

These guys have better resumes

Some have too many defeats and have no real better resumes.

[IKSRTFO]

There's no way Mosley was the #1 contender for that fight.

He was. Doesn't mean he wasn't past prime as was the case with DLH. Both had been out for a year and both were clearly on the downside. It's forgotten Shane was struggling with Mayorga before he had the last round KO.

He had stomped the bejesus out of Margarito prior to fighting Floyd. People always sh*t on Floyd for fighting Mosley and De La Hoya past their primes, but go back and watch his fights from 2003. He calls out Mosley and De La Hoya after those fights every time. Meaning at the time he would've been willing to jump up 3 weight classes to fight either of them. He always wanted to fight those guys, he just wasn't always the kinda star that was worth their time. By the time the Mosley fight came around the tables had turned and Mosley wanted to fight him.

De La Hoya while I was never a fan has to be admired because he fought Floyd for no other reason except Floyd was P4P #1 and he wanted to beat him. I wish there were more fighters like that these days.

De La Hoya never could quite pull that off. He tried multiple times to fight the guy that was at or near the top of the P4P list, but he never could win...he tried more than anybody else ever does though.

None of than confirms that either one were in their prime. Wanting to fight someone doesn't erased that they were past it when he fought them.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Some people here seem to believe that Mayweather doesn't belong in the top 30. I have some knowledge of history, maybe someone here can point me to 10 fighters who had a better resume than Floyd Mayweather. Your help is greatly appreciated.

- Heh, heh, begging the question of what grade you're in, eh?

Well, for starters you could start with these 20 or just scroll your way through heavy to lightweight for 100 more.

http://www.ibroresearch.com/2006/09/pound-for-pound/

Or the largest international boxing poll ever conducted in 2009 with over a half million frenzied boxing aficionados participating. The poll was staged in Las Vegas by an international group of boxing scribes to oversee the boxing communities phoning in their picks from all over the world.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/17 ... ing-greats

P4P #1. Sugar Ray Robinson #2. Manny Pacquiao #3. Muhammad Ali

#1 Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson, #1 Featherweight: Manny Pacquiao, #1 Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali, #1 Lightheavyweight: Roy Jones Jr, #3 Lightweight, TUE 49-0.

Or go straight to consensus fighter of the 90s decade, Roy Jones, and the 00s decade Manny.

I luv how you luverlies roll around to time share that single brain cell to make up little playdough porkies. So many happy droolings while safely ensconced in your little romper rooms gives me such a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Big Thanks...

[Ricky_]

He had stomped the bejesus out of Margarito

Is that supposed to be testament that Mosley had anything left as an elite fighter!? Margarito couldn't box for shit, and he had just been busted with plaster of Paris in his wraps before his ring-walk.

[gilgamesh]

He had stomped the bejesus out of Margarito

Is that supposed to be testament that Mosley had anything left as an elite fighter!? Margarito couldn't box for poo, and he had just been busted with plaster of Paris in his wraps before his ring-walk.

He was a heavy favorite to beat Mosley heading into that fight.