The most skillful active boxer, my top 10 list

[ValMar]

1. Rigondeaux
2. Lomachenko
3. M. Garcia
4. Ward
5. Usyk
6. Crawford
7. Gonzalez
8. L. Ortiz
9. Golovkin
10. Spence

What do you think about my list ?

[crusader]

What makes you rank Mikey so highly on skill?

[littlepug]

no love for pac ?

[ValMar]

What makes you rank Mikey so highly on skill?

I feel there is no need to explain. MG is a great one. I expect him to become undisputed champion at 135, very soon.......

[ValMar]

no love for pac ?

Is he still active ?

[littlepug]

no love for pac ?

Is he still active ?

got a fight coming up against jesse vargas in november

[Impractical Poster]

What makes you rank Mikey so highly on skill?

I feel there is no need to explain. MG is a great one. I expect him to become undisputed champion at 135, very soon.......

I agree. Mikey is the complete package. I personally have him top 5 P4P.

What weight will his next fight be at? His last was at 140.

[ValMar]

no love for pac ?

Is he still active ?

got a fight coming up against jesse vargas in november

Honestly, I have a lot of respect for Pac, but I can not see him in the list of top 10 most skillful active fighters.

[littlepug]

Is he still active ?

got a fight coming up against jesse vargas in november

Honestly, I have a lot of respect for Pac, but I can not see him in the list of top 10 most skillful active fighters.

jeez you got weird standards dude, most of your list are still learning and aren't the finished article yet, pacman got serious skills and ring IQ coming out of his ears

[ValMar]

got a fight coming up against jesse vargas in november

Honestly, I have a lot of respect for Pac, but I can not see him in the list of top 10 most skillful active fighters.

jeez you got weird standards dude, most of your list are still learning and aren't the finished article yet, pacman got serious skills and ring IQ coming out of his ears

Yes, but he is/was not a pure techinician, his basic weapons are/where his power and mobility.

[littlepug]

Honestly, I have a lot of respect for Pac, but I can not see him in the list of top 10 most skillful active fighters.

jeez you got weird standards dude, most of your list are still learning and aren't the finished article yet, pacman got serious skills and ring IQ coming out of his ears

Yes, but he is/was not a pure techinician, his basic weapons are/where his power and mobility.

fair enough, can understand a purist overlooking him

[caldo2025]

1. GGG
2. Loma
2. Roman G.
3. T.Crawford
4. M. Pacquaio
5. K. Brook
6. A. Ward
7. C.Alvarez
8. A. Joshua
9. Kovalev
10. D.Garcia

GGG by far and away, the best all around boxer in the world.

[gilgamesh]

What makes you rank Mikey so highly on skill?

I feel there is no need to explain. MG is a great one. I expect him to become undisputed champion at 135, very soon.......

I agree. Mikey is the complete package. I personally have him top 5 P4P.

What weight will his next fight be at? His last was at 140.

Top 5 P4P? Based on what? I wouldn't even have him Top 30.

[Enlightened-One]

1. GGG
2. Loma
2. Roman G.
3. T.Crawford
4. M. Pacquaio
5. K. Brook
6. A. Ward
7. C.Alvarez
8. A. Joshua
9. Kovalev
10. D.Garcia

GGG by far and away, the best all around boxer in the world.

I hate to be pedantic, but doesn’t the title of the thread refer to the “most skilful” boxer, not necessarily the best.

Whilst there’s a genuine argument for Golovkin being considered amongst the top three pound-for-pounders, it’s because of his all-round abilities, which includes his enormous punching power and robust chin.

In terms of considering sheer boxing skill alone, as in the only factor under discussion, GGG shouldn’t be the top five. Hell, for some people, he may not even make the top ten.

I’ll give you an example of the topic under discussion, in his prime, Paulie Malignaggi was considered a highly skilled fighter, but not only did he float like a butterfly, unfortunately he stung like one too, which limited his potential significantly. So basically, we're talking about skill alone - not all-round ability.

Also, Anthony Joshua rated eighth, seriously? Did you see the Breazeale and the Whyte fights? For sure, he’s one of the best heavyweights and possesses enormous potential, but there’s no fúckíng way on this earth is he the eighth most skilful boxer pound-for-pound on the planet… that’s just hideously deluded!

[Boxing Prospect]

Estrada and Nietes surely deserve a mention, Chilemba,

[Counter-puncher]

Estrada is a good call, he may not seem an obvious candidate but hes very sound technically and an adaptable fighter too, a smart versatile all-round kind of guy rather than a virtuoso.

[Impractical Poster]

I feel there is no need to explain. MG is a great one. I expect him to become undisputed champion at 135, very soon.......

I agree. Mikey is the complete package. I personally have him top 5 P4P.

What weight will his next fight be at? His last was at 140.

Top 5 P4P? Based on what? I wouldn't even have him Top 30.

My personal perspective of him after seeing him against top competition while in his respective division. I understand he didn't look as sharp as usual his last time out. But he still won, plus he hadn't fought in forever, and it was at a much higher weight than he was fighting at before his hiatus... I just think he's the complete package.

I take it you rank Loma over him?

[Keko]

1. GGG
2. Loma
2. Roman G.
3. T.Crawford
4. M. Pacquaio
5. K. Brook
6. A. Ward
7. C.Alvarez
8. A. Joshua
9. Kovalev
10. D.Garcia

GGG by far and away, the best all around boxer in the world.

I hate to be pedantic, but doesn’t the title of the thread refer to the “most skilful” boxer, not necessarily the best.

Whilst there’s a genuine argument for Golovkin being considered amongst the top three pound-for-pounders, it’s because of his all-round abilities, which includes his enormous punching power and robust chin.

In terms of considering sheer boxing skill alone, as in the only factor under discussion, GGG shouldn’t be the top five. Hell, for some people, he may not even make the top ten.

I’ll give you an example of the topic under discussion, in his prime, Paulie Malignaggi was considered a highly skilled fighter, but not only did he float like a butterfly, unfortunately he stung like one too, which limited his potential significantly. So basically, we're talking about skill alone - not all-round ability.

Also, Anthony Joshua rated eighth, seriously? Did you see the Breazeale and the Whyte fights? For sure, he’s one of the best heavyweights and possesses enormous potential, but there’s no fúckíng way on this earth is he the eighth most skilful boxer pound-for-pound on the planet… that’s just hideously deluded!

Exactly 100%!

[Heretic]

An argument could be made for Wladimir. He might be too old to execute that skill anymore.

GGG is really skilled. Many others also have good power and chin. It is the skills and footwork that lets him deliver that power.

The same could be said about Kovalev too.

Good offence is as much skill based as good defense

From the heavyweights I would say that Povetkin has more skill than Ortiz or Joshua.

[caldo2025]

1. GGG
2. Loma
2. Roman G.
3. T.Crawford
4. M. Pacquaio
5. K. Brook
6. A. Ward
7. C.Alvarez
8. A. Joshua
9. Kovalev
10. D.Garcia

GGG by far and away, the best all around boxer in the world.

I hate to be pedantic, but doesn’t the title of the thread refer to the “most skilful” boxer, not necessarily the best.

Whilst there’s a genuine argument for Golovkin being considered amongst the top three pound-for-pounders, it’s because of his all-round abilities, which includes his enormous punching power and robust chin.

In terms of considering sheer boxing skill alone, as in the only factor under discussion, GGG shouldn’t be the top five. Hell, for some people, he may not even make the top ten.

I’ll give you an example of the topic under discussion, in his prime, Paulie Malignaggi was considered a highly skilled fighter, but not only did he float like a butterfly, unfortunately he stung like one too, which limited his potential significantly. So basically, we're talking about skill alone - not all-round ability.

Also, Anthony Joshua rated eighth, seriously? Did you see the Breazeale and the Whyte fights? For sure, he’s one of the best heavyweights and possesses enormous potential, but there’s no fúckíng way on this earth is he the eighth most skilful boxer pound-for-pound on the planet… that’s just hideously deluded!

Well now the word "skillful" is subjective isn't it? In your world, skillful means scientific boxer (aka someone that can only jab if you are referencing Malignaggi). In my world, a "skillful" boxer is someone that has a large toolbox of skills (aka a plan b, c, d, e & f) in there.

GGG's jab is the best in boxing and he lands it more effectively, statistically, than any MW in history. We've seen many styles go up against him and he's had an answer for every one of them and each answer wasn't the same. He's not just knocking people out with one punch. It's mostly an accumulation of punishment by his tremendous skill level and gameplay inside the ring. You aren't watching boxing much if you think this guy isn't skilled.

I think that Joshua is the most skilled heavyweight in the world right now. He's also going to be boxing next biggest star once he grabs all of the belts so I think that's worth a top 10 list now and in the future.

So i guess there needs to be some discussion about what skillful really means.

[Counter-puncher]

GGG's jab is the best in boxing and he lands it more effectively, statistically, than any MW in history. .

fvck off. what statistics cover the history of the MW division, here?

[gilgamesh]

I agree. Mikey is the complete package. I personally have him top 5 P4P.

What weight will his next fight be at? His last was at 140.

Top 5 P4P? Based on what? I wouldn't even have him Top 30.

My personal perspective of him after seeing him against top competition while in his respective division. I understand he didn't look as sharp as usual his last time out. But he still won, plus he hadn't fought in forever, and it was at a much higher weight than he was fighting at before his hiatus... I just think he's the complete package.

I take it you rank Loma over him?

By a very wide margin. Mikey Garcia still has a lot to prove, and taking years off ain't proving it.

[Impractical Poster]

Top 5 P4P? Based on what? I wouldn't even have him Top 30.

My personal perspective of him after seeing him against top competition while in his respective division. I understand he didn't look as sharp as usual his last time out. But he still won, plus he hadn't fought in forever, and it was at a much higher weight than he was fighting at before his hiatus... I just think he's the complete package.

I take it you rank Loma over him?

By a very wide margin. Mikey Garcia still has a lot to prove, and taking years off ain't proving it.

Garcia has proven more than Loma. Albeit, he has been off for a while. However, that hasn't stopped people from keeping Ward atop the lists.

Besides winning a title early in his career, how do you perceive Loma being more proven than Garcia? Loma proved that he has issues with a pressure fighter ala Salido. Sure, Salido came in over weight, but the way Garcia handled Salido leaves little doubt in my mind that he would have had trouble had Salido been a few pounds heavier. When have we seen Garcia struggle the way Loma did with Salido? And Garcia has been doing it professionally a lot longer.

[gilgamesh]

Garcia has proven more than Loma. Albeit, he has been off for a while. However, that hasn't stopped people from keeping Ward atop the lists.

Besides winning a title early in his career, how do you perceive Loma being more proven than Garcia? Loma proved that he has issues with a pressure fighter ala Salido. Sure, Salido came in over weight, but the way Garcia handled Salido leaves little doubt in my mind that he would have had trouble had Salido been a few pounds heavier. When have we seen Garcia struggle the way Loma did with Salido? And Garcia has been doing it professionally a lot longer.

Lomachenko just looks like a more dazzling talent to me than Garcia. Fighters that multiple years off in their primes usually don't endear themselves to me too much.

I'd love to see Mikey Garcia vs Dejan Zlaticanin in the near future.

I have Ward in my Top 5 P4P but he's not in the Top 2 or 3 because of his long layoff. Garcia never made my Top 10 P4P in the first place I don't think. He's certainly a very good fighter, and still has a lot of potential, but I don't know if he wants it enough when the going gets tough. I look forward to seeing more of him though.

Boxing is a what have you done for me lately sport. Lately Loma has done a lot more than Garcia has. He stopped Roman Martinez in 5, beat Gary Russell Jr. thoroughly, and he's about to face Nicholas Walters next. Garcia will probably be fighting soft touch guys for his next few fights to get back into the swing of things.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ward & Crawford would be my top 2. Lomachenko, Inoue & Rigo next tier.