GGG vs Canelo fight expiration date ?

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GGG vs Canelo fight expiration date ?

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I'd say is the autumn of 2017. Later GGG could be way past of his prime.
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apollo creed wrote:I'd say is the autumn of 2017. Later GGG could be way past of his prime.
GBP will put a realistic offer on the table December 2017.
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I'm already just about over it as is. GGG vs Saunders or Jacobs would be just as significant to me at this point. No such thing as marinating a fight to me. Give it to me when I want to see it or to hell with it. Canelo establishing himself as a coward makes the fight a lot less intriguing to me now.

I'd still be excited about it if it occurred some time next year but I could take it or leave it already at this point. If it doesn't happen by the end of next year I hope Canelo just retires because I don't wanna keep hearing about his meaningless career for the next 10 years. If he doesn't fight Golovkin nothing he ever does will mean sh*t to me. It'll just be the work of a coward.
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Past it for me now, I'm bored of hearing about it. Only problem is I'll still watch it regardless
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gilgamesh wrote:I'm already just about over it as is. GGG vs Saunders or Jacobs would be just as significant to me at this point. No such thing as marinating a fight to me. Give it to me when I want to see it or to hell with it. Canelo establishing himself as a coward makes the fight a lot less intriguing to me now.

I'd still be excited about it if it occurred some time next year but I could take it or leave it already at this point. If it doesn't happen by the end of next year I hope Canelo just retires because I don't wanna keep hearing about his meaningless career for the next 10 years. If he doesn't fight Golovkin nothing he ever does will mean sh*t to me. It'll just be the work of a coward.
Agree, this fight should've been made this year last month. That was the right time.
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DannyMCR wrote:Past it for me now, I'm bored of hearing about it. Only problem is I'll still watch it regardless
true.
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Am I the only one that has become bored talking about a fight that may never happen... or if it does, is about eleven months away (at the earliest)?
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Canelo doesn't want it now, and who knows if GGG moves up to 168.

My best guess is this fight won't happen, and Canelo already ducked GGG, giving him his belt.

If they can agree to a match before 2017 ends I'll pay attention.
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Canelo doesn't want it now, and who knows if GGG will move up to 168.

My best guess is this fight won't happen, and Canelo already ducked GGG, giving him his belt.

If they can agree to a match before 2017 ends I'll pay attention.
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gilgamesh wrote:I'm already just about over it as is. GGG vs Saunders or Jacobs would be just as significant to me at this point. No such thing as marinating a fight to me. Give it to me when I want to see it or to hell with it. Canelo establishing himself as a coward makes the fight a lot less intriguing to me now.

I'd still be excited about it if it occurred some time next year but I could take it or leave it already at this point. If it doesn't happen by the end of next year I hope Canelo just retires because I don't wanna keep hearing about his meaningless career for the next 10 years. If he doesn't fight Golovkin nothing he ever does will mean sh*t to me. It'll just be the work of a coward.
I agree I want to see that horrible little billy blob saunderson get pasted. Canyellow has just pissed me offf. I dont care about the politics I like fighting and boxings wwf style is getting so predictable and drawn out that its just insulting
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This fight HAS to happen before 2018 barring any injuries. It just has to. There's no way Canelo will be able to show his face if not. He's obviously taking the Floyd approach to Manny. He knew that the longer he could hold off fighting him, his chances to win the fight get better by the day and no matter what anyone says, if this fight happens at the end of 2017, it will do WAY more buys than if the fight happened in 2016.

If Golden Boy's report is correct, Canelo did over 300K in PPV buys against an unknown unskilled opponent. A fight with GGG would have to be worth 3 times that. Not exactly Manny/Floyd (4.6 million PPV buys) but it's the best fight you can make in boxing right now. This duck is certainly not hurting Canelo in the wallet unfortunately. I was hoping that his PPV numbers would be down for ducking GGG but we rewarded Canelo for it so what's the incentive for Canelo and Golden Boy now? Not good.
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caldo2025 wrote:This fight HAS to happen before 2018 barring any injuries. It just has to. There's no way Canelo will be able to show his face if not. He's obviously taking the Floyd approach to Manny. He knew that the longer he could hold off fighting him, his chances to win the fight get better by the day and no matter what anyone says, if this fight happens at the end of 2017, it will do WAY more buys than if the fight happened in 2016.

If Golden Boy's report is correct, Canelo did over 300K in PPV buys against an unknown unskilled opponent. A fight with GGG would have to be worth 3 times that. Not exactly Manny/Floyd (4.6 million PPV buys) but it's the best fight you can make in boxing right now. This duck is certainly not hurting Canelo in the wallet unfortunately. I was hoping that his PPV numbers would be down for ducking GGG but we rewarded Canelo for it so what's the incentive for Canelo and Golden Boy now? Not good.
The problem that non-business oriented fight fans have... is that the more outrage and frustration we all feel about the fight, the more demand there’ll be to see it and the longer we’ll have to wait.

If the fight is likely to be commercially much bigger if it was staged in 2018 than 2017, then we’ll all have to wait an extra year.

Of course, both Team’s Golovkin and Canelo will regularly spread nonsense rumours and fake their outrage at the other’s antics in order to keep selling the fight, but the sad truth is… professional boxers are known as “PRIZE” fighters, not “PRIDE” fighters, which means that behind closed doors, both men will be secretly delighted about the size of their fight purses growing at a phenomenal daily rate.

For Golovkin and Canelo, the amount of money contained in their bank balance is far more important than pacifying the outrage of fight fans, regardless whatever name-calling they have to endure in the meantime.
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Boring bastard, how do you know what is more important for Golovkin? You can talk about his management, but the guy himself definitely puts sport above business.
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All the money doesn't have to be made in one night.

No matter how long the first Corrales v Castillo, Vazquez v Marquez, Ward v Gatti or Pac v Marquez fights marinated they wouldn't have made more money in one night than they did in all their fights.

There is no better way to create demand for a fight than to have already had a great one. What ever happened to the time honoured tradition of losing making excuses and promising to win a rematch?
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I don't know why people say GGG will age so quick.. Have you seen him? He's peaking right now.. He will rule til he is at least 40.

However, speaking of this particular fight.. September 2017.. Because that's what has been said.. Regardless of when it is.. I will still be watching.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote:I don't know why people say GGG will age so quick.. Have you seen him? He's peaking right now.. He will rule til he is at least 40.

However, speaking of this particular fight.. September 2017.. Because that's what has been said.. Regardless of when it is.. I will still be watching.
While I'd love for you to be right about this. I doubt it very much. He had a 350 fight amateur career so he has some mileage on him. He'll start to slow down in the next few years. I don't know if he'll start losing necessarily because he's leaps and bounds ahead of his competition right now so he can slip quite a way and still be able to kick his opponent's ass for a while to come, but I doubt it'll last until he's 40.

Thankfully he's very active though so he doesn't waste his good years.
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gilgamesh wrote:
Ruthless-RKO wrote:I don't know why people say GGG will age so quick.. Have you seen him? He's peaking right now.. He will rule til he is at least 40.

However, speaking of this particular fight.. September 2017.. Because that's what has been said.. Regardless of when it is.. I will still be watching.
While I'd love for you to be right about this. I doubt it very much. He had a 350 fight amateur career so he has some mileage on him. He'll start to slow down in the next few years. I don't know if he'll start losing necessarily because he's leaps and bounds ahead of his competition right now so he can slip quite a way and still be able to kick his opponent's ass for a while to come, but I doubt it'll last until he's 40.

Thankfully he's very active though so he doesn't waste his good years.
Yep, and many of those amateur fights were not a walk in the park. Here is one fight he had at the age of 20:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeBk_rJREx0
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Enlightened-One wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:This fight HAS to happen before 2018 barring any injuries. It just has to. There's no way Canelo will be able to show his face if not. He's obviously taking the Floyd approach to Manny. He knew that the longer he could hold off fighting him, his chances to win the fight get better by the day and no matter what anyone says, if this fight happens at the end of 2017, it will do WAY more buys than if the fight happened in 2016.

If Golden Boy's report is correct, Canelo did over 300K in PPV buys against an unknown unskilled opponent. A fight with GGG would have to be worth 3 times that. Not exactly Manny/Floyd (4.6 million PPV buys) but it's the best fight you can make in boxing right now. This duck is certainly not hurting Canelo in the wallet unfortunately. I was hoping that his PPV numbers would be down for ducking GGG but we rewarded Canelo for it so what's the incentive for Canelo and Golden Boy now? Not good.
The problem that non-business oriented fight fans have... is that the more outrage and frustration we all feel about the fight, the more demand there’ll be to see it and the longer we’ll have to wait.

If the fight is likely to be commercially much bigger if it was staged in 2018 than 2017, then we’ll all have to wait an extra year.

Of course, both Team’s Golovkin and Canelo will regularly spread nonsense rumours and fake their outrage at the other’s antics in order to keep selling the fight, but the sad truth is… professional boxers are known as “PRIZE” fighters, not “PRIDE” fighters, which means that behind closed doors, both men will be secretly delighted about the size of their fight purses growing at a phenomenal daily rate.

For Golovkin and Canelo, the amount of money contained in their bank balance is far more important than pacifying the outrage of fight fans, regardless whatever name-calling they have to endure in the meantime.
I think that we'll all find out in the end that Oscar and Golden Boy were to blame and that Canelo wanted to fight GGG all along. Canelo has started insinuating this in interviews saying that "he's not going to throw anyone under the bus at Golden Boy". Since Canelo came on the scene, he's never given us a reason to doubt his heart or courage. But when you really think about it, Golden Boy has one big time fighter in their stable right now. Everything hinges on Canelo and with Schaefer back in the boxing business, Oscar can't afford to throw his cash cow to the wolves right now because he's got way too much to lose.

But could you imagine the heat Canelo gets daily about this, everywhere he goes. Something has to give. Canelo's bound to get to the point that he's sick of hearing it and he'll crack and demand the fight.
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Even if GGG is past it it'll still be a huge fight.
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