Danny"The Coward"Garcia

[boxing_rocks]

"Too dangerous" was sarcastic, you idiot.

Danny had almost a year to find an opponent for a voluntary defense. Any champion fighting somebody outside of top 15-20 in his division in such situation should be subjected to harsh criticism.

[Enlightened-One]

"Too dangerous" was sarcastic, you idiot.

Danny had almost a year to find an opponent for a voluntary defense. Any champion fighting somebody outside of top 15-20 in his division in such situation should be subjected to harsh criticism.

Your sarcasm, coupled with your lazy and without thought copy-pasting of the WBC 147lbs rankings list, was purely intended to undermine Garcia’s next choice of opponent, which I duly addressed each written point (regardless of intent).

It seems that you like to feign outrage over practices that are commonplace in the sport of boxing, by specifically attacking certain fighters that you dislike for their actions, whilst refraining from attacking other boxers for doing precisely the same thing, hence the double standard.

[SFW]

Actually that is not true Enlightened. Garcia has been quoted multiple times saying his fight with Vargas is gonna be more exciting and other bigger name matches could likely be boring. That's Danny himself trying to sell this like it's a better match up than Kovalev vs Ward. He chose an opponent that a prospect walked through, and he is the WBC champion. That is weak. However that fact is spun that's weak. That ring rust excuse is bullshit as well, he's in his prime lol. He chose to be inactive, then after 10 months he doesn't even want to face a real challenge? After cashing in on two shot name fighters purse punching Paulie, and used to be Guerrero? I'm glad Swift gets called out on the bullshit he deserves it. Had all that momentum after Matthyse and just pissed it away to get overpaid for less risk.

[Enlightened-One]

Actually that is not true Enlightened. Garcia has been quoted multiple times saying his fight with Vargas is gonna be more exciting and other bigger name matches could likely be boring. That's Danny himself trying to sell this like it's a better match up than Kovalev vs Ward.

He’s headlining a PBC event and is entitled to try to “sell” or build-up interest in the bout, because the fight card is a commercial venture that requires significant investment. He’s not the first fighter to embellish the potential excitement of a fight and nor will he be the last.

So if you want to believe that it is imperative that everyone on this forum should lambast Danny Garcia for trying to hype-up his next bout, then every single world-rated professional boxer should also deserve to receive the same amount of extreme criticism for doing precisely the same things for their contests.

He chose an opponent that a prospect walked through, and he is the WBC champion. That is weak. However that fact is spun that's weak. That ring rust excuse is bullshit as well, he's in his prime lol. He chose to be inactive, then after 10 months he doesn't even want to face a real challenge? After cashing in on two shot name fighters purse punching Paulie, and used to be Guerrero? I'm glad Swift gets called out on the bullshit he deserves it. Had all that momentum after Matthyse and just pissed it away to get overpaid for less risk.

When asked about the public perception of Garcia fighting Vargas he responded accordingly:

“It is what is what it is… If Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev can have a tune up fight, then why can’t I?... Nobody wanted to fight me and I couldn’t go off a fourteen month layoff and go into a big fight [the 'Thurman fight is a done deal'], that wouldn’t make sense. I accepted the Berto fight six months ago and the next thing, it was gone... The John Molina fight was never offered to me.”

[SFW]

He can lie all he wants, he's been called out by numerous guys while lying about nobody wanting to fight him. Absolute lie. Your trying to say nobody this year wanted to fight the WBC welterweight champion, for likely the biggest payday of their lives and a chance at an historic belt. Nobody should ever believe that, pure bullshit. Fact is Danny does what he's told, has a path of least resistance set for him by his management, who decide when he has to face another top guy.

He says he accepted the Berto fight 6 months ago then it disappeared, lol. That's about as dumb as it gets. Doesn't sound like he's even trying to fight at all sitting 6 months then playing dumb when it doesn't happen..

[Enlightened-One]

He can lie all he wants, he's been called out by numerous guys while lying about nobody wanting to fight him. Absolute lie.

Whilst it’s entirely feasible that Garcia is lying, I prefer to assume innocence until guilt is proven. And none of his peers have demonstrated evidence, such as contract offers, to undermine Danny’s claims.

Personally-speaking, I prefer to formulate opinions based on evidence and/or real-world events that I have personally witnessed with my own eyes, rather than making judgements based on pure hearsay, gut instinct or personal bias.

Your trying to say nobody this year wanted to fight the WBC welterweight champion, for likely the biggest payday of their lives and a chance at an historic belt. Nobody should ever believe that, pure bullshit.

Please refrain from adopting the same “Straw man” dishonest debating tactics that ‘boxing_rocks’ employs. I never expressed a personal opinion on the matter and to claim otherwise is extremely dishonest and only serves to undermine your integrity.

All I did was quote Danny Garcia's words verbatim… and it’s irresponsible and immature to shoot the messenger.

Fact is Danny does what he's told, has a path of least resistance set for him by his management, who decide when he has to face another top guy.

I agree that Garcia probably does simply follow the orders of his handlers. Most boxers adopt the same approach. Danny is very well paid and also seems happy working with Haymon. His resumé is also very impressive, so accusing him of taking the “path of least resistance” is a tad unfair.

He says he accepted the Berto fight 6 months ago then it disappeared, lol. That's about as dumb as it gets.

It’s not dumb if it’s true. Can you prove otherwise?

I don’t really have an opinion on the matter, but I prefer to avoid jumping to all sorts of derogatory conclusions without possessing a thorough understanding of the actual situation.

Doesn't sound like he's even trying to fight at all sitting 6 months then playing dumb when it doesn't happen..

Danny Garcia is not personally responsible for the PBC's predicament. Many of Haymon’s stable of fighters have experienced a prolonged period of inactivity, which has been widely reported by the media. In fact, it seems that some of the fighters affiliated to HBO have also had to endure a similar situation.

Look… I understand that you really don’t like Danny Garcia and of course you’re entitled to your opinion, as it’s your prerogative to feel that way about the man. However, isn’t it best to criticise him for his actual actions rather than assuming his guilt based on hearsay? After all, he’s not the root cause of everything that is wrong with the sport of boxing, so I would advise you to refrain from getting too carried away with the severity of your insults and accusations until you're in possession of all the facts.

[SFW]

Well said. I don't know anymore details than you or the fans in general do. I tend to think getting overpaid to fight less, their business model, has earned some criticism and I don't need every detail to see what's going on but it's just an opinion. I also don't need a positive test to determine who is very likely cheating with drugs. Especially in this era, where cheating is rampant and it's not too tough to spot. But again that's only opinion, all we can really have until DSG proves me totally wrong.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I personally wouldn't rate him a COWARD matter of fact far from it he's like Canelo ill-advised and a touch over protected by greedy people around them that are only really out for them-self and what they can get out of someone else's spilt blood

[Evander]

Considering who's available these opponents for Danny Garcia have become a joke, shame he was once a must see fighter.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

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[PsychoGamerTwo]

Go fight (and get knocked out by) Matthysse & Khan. Then come back, saying Danny Garcia is a coward.

[Badhusker]

He is a clown and a coward I completely agree. He has a big crowd of American fighters that are just like him. Must be in the bloodstream. There are exceptions like Bud Crawford. But not too many others.,

I agree and would add Spence to that list. I disagree about "a big crowd" of American fighters as a whole. A few guys that avoid better competition shouldn't be a black eye for all. For example, I think Spence, Crawford, and Andrade would take on any fighter in their weight class. I admit having issues with Andrade's inactivity, but do not doubt his skill for a second.

[gilgamesh]

This might as well be the thread for this card tonight, but let it not be the headline. Javier Fortuna vs Omar Douglas is a killer fight thus far through 3 rounds.

[gilgamesh]

Fortuna is a lot more tactical and slick since the knockdown in the 1st, and he's dominated the fight since then IMO. He was even winning the 1st up until he got dropped.

[CaptainSpacerod]

I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. He probably gets more stick than he deserves because his old man annoys the fvck out of everyone

Of his last few opponents Guerrero, Peterson and Paulie are all world class fighters although Paulie was admittedly a fading force when they met, Vargas and Herrera are decent operators and only Salka was a horrendous mismatch, disgustingly so.

Before that he'd faced a bunch of top quality guys and in his next fight he's taking on the undefeated, much avoided Thurman.

If you took the last say ten fights of every current high profile world champion and compared them for relative quality of opponent with Danny's I'd expect his to compare favourably.

[gilgamesh]

I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. He probably gets more stick than he deserves because his old man annoys the fvck out of everyone

Of his last few opponents Guerrero, Peterson and Paulie are all world class fighters although Paulie was admittedly a fading force when they met, Vargas and Herrera are decent operators and only Salka was a horrendous mismatch, disgustingly so.

Before that he'd faced a bunch of top quality guys and in his next fight he's taking on the undefeated, much avoided Thurman.

If you took the last say ten fights of every current high profile world champion and compared them for relative quality of opponent with Danny's I'd expect his to compare favourably.

He deserves even more sh*t than he gets. He's everything that's wrong with the sport summed up in one fighter.

[crusader]

I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. He probably gets more stick than he deserves because his old man annoys the fvck out of everyone

Of his last few opponents Guerrero, Peterson and Paulie are all world class fighters although Paulie was admittedly a fading force when they met, Vargas and Herrera are decent operators and only Salka was a horrendous mismatch, disgustingly so.

Before that he'd faced a bunch of top quality guys and in his next fight he's taking on the undefeated, much avoided Thurman.

If you took the last say ten fights of every current high profile world champion and compared them for relative quality of opponent with Danny's I'd expect his to compare favourably.

Paulie and Guerrero weren't world class when he fought them. Did you not see Guerrero get turned limp by light-hitting Aaron Martinez one fight before? Dropped and beaten down 11-1 by Thurman before that? How about the loss to the cabby right after Garcia? As for Paulie, he hadn't fought in 15 months, and that was a blowout KO loss to Porter.

Vargas is pants by the way, although Thurman is a top fighter and would be a very nice win for Danny.

[Evander]

Garcia finished Vargas well, his all around boxing ability is superb it's hard to fault it.

Love the Thurman v Garcia fight it's an absolute gem.

[gilgamesh]

Garcia and Thurman have themselves a little WWE style jawing contest at the end where Thurman gets in the ring and says "I ain't no cherry, ain't no soft picking here boy" and then they yelled back and forth at each other for a few seconds before being separated.

[scallum2015]

This matchmaking appears puzzling, because Samuel Vargas is so bad for a titlist of Garcia's level. But the best explanation I can manage is that apparently in September, Amir Khan couldn't fight Garcia as a mandatory defense due to a hand injury, and seemingly Garcia's camp went scrambling to find an opponent to make a voluntary defense against. Being that he had been out of the ring for 9 months at the time, and 10 months by the time of the time of the fight, they probably couldn't tolerate any further delays, as it would risk the title being stripped and pile on the ring rust and irrelevance. It's surprising that they couldn't have made a match with some of these other easy ranked opponents, like Jo Jo Dan, but they probably made a bunch of calls and got a lot of rejections due to the last minute nature. Sometimes boxers really balloon-up between fights and need more than a month's notice to actually cut back down to welterweight.

Didnt old timers like Louis, Duran and Others Greats take similar type opponents every now and then?

[Badhusker]

Most of the champions have taken tune-ups, but wasn't this supposed to be a voluntary defense of his belt? I didn't watch the fight but heard it was a 10 round non-title fight?

[boxing_rocks]

One opinion:

Steve Kim ‏@steveucnlive 13h13 hours ago
Is it just me or is Danny Garcia going backwards technically? More than ever he swings wide and he's really heavy on his feet #boxing

[Evander]

^ I saw a few moments of that but had a feeling Garcia didn't feel seriously threatened which accounted for his actions.
Way I saw it was like a pure easy warm up promo before the prepared big one with Keith Thurman, even the trash talk by them in the ring afterwards was met with grins smiles and an I have to do this attitude.
Nevertheless on we go, matchup with Thurman is a big fight.