Oscar Delahoya

[IKSRTFO]

to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't know where people get this sh*t from. Floyd beat Oscar as clearly as he beat guys like Robert Guerrero.

Jose Luis Castillo DID beat Floyd, the judges just f*cked him.
Marcos Maidana beat Floyd in my opinion, but it was close so I wouldn't call it a robbery.
Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out

I had Floyd vs Oscar scored 117-111 for Floyd. Where people get this idea that it was one of Floyd's closest fights I don't understand...Floyd had many a fight that ended with scores of 117-111 in his favor.

From his father's own words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcyAyEbM-mU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjklL--GfRY

[gilgamesh]

Floyd Sr. is a moron and he had gotten paid to be Oscar's trainer a lot around that time. Probably hoped he'd get more money from Oscar. That fight wasn't even all that close in my opinion. Floyd was the clear winner.

If I were Floyd Jr. and my father shat on what was at that time my biggest victory like that I'd never speak to him again. Especially when it was a bullsh*t comment to make.

Floyd won that fight 115-113 at worst. I don't see any way you could have that fight scored for Oscar unless you're giving him credit just for being the bigger man in the ring or something. Floyd did the landing in that fight.


Floyd landed more, threw less. Both in total punches and power punches. He landed 56 more power punches than Oscar, and 85 more total punches. He landed at a 43% connect rate compared to Oscar's 21%

[lazboy]

to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't know where people get this sh*t from. Floyd beat Oscar as clearly as he beat guys like Robert Guerrero.

Jose Luis Castillo DID beat Floyd, the judges just f*cked him.
Marcos Maidana beat Floyd in my opinion, but it was close so I wouldn't call it a robbery.
Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out

I had Floyd vs Oscar scored 117-111 for Floyd. Where people get this idea that it was one of Floyd's closest fights I don't understand...Floyd had many a fight that ended with scores of 117-111 in his favor.

I'm really surprised to read this from someone that has over 20 000 posts. I really can't understand why you don't think De la hoya Mayweather was close. That you believe Maidana won. After round 6 Floyd dominated him, more so than in their second fight. Mosley wobbled him. It was a good shot. He recovered well.

[man]

Mosley wobbled him. It was a good shot. He recovered well.

btw have a look at that right hand
from mosley. the real amazing thing
about floyd is that he caught the very
shot that hurt him and held on to it.
outright amazing display of defensive
reflexes.

so for me in the very moment floyd
was caught he showed his greatness.

on the other hand i still believe he gets
too much credit for other things. eg the
bout with pac, which i had close.

[man]

Owes boxing sweet ferk all, deserves every penny it has given him. Ducked NO ONE, was involved in some of the biggest fights in recent years, and through his looks and marketability made some parasitical scum very wealthy along the way.

Boxing owes him nothing he owes Boxing........... richer then his wildest dream's yes he did fight every body that's what the problem is because as a promoter he is a joke.He is one of the main promoter's killing the game.

Erm,,,, WTF has " Golden Boy Promotions " got to do with Oscar De La Hoya the FIGHTER?

i second that, plus oscar seems
to be judged too often by his last
fights, which is usually unfair to
boxers with a resume of many
strong opponents.

[gilgamesh]

to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't know where people get this sh*t from. Floyd beat Oscar as clearly as he beat guys like Robert Guerrero.

Jose Luis Castillo DID beat Floyd, the judges just f*cked him.
Marcos Maidana beat Floyd in my opinion, but it was close so I wouldn't call it a robbery.
Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out

I had Floyd vs Oscar scored 117-111 for Floyd. Where people get this idea that it was one of Floyd's closest fights I don't understand...Floyd had many a fight that ended with scores of 117-111 in his favor.

I'm really surprised to read this from someone that has over 20 000 posts. I really can't understand why you don't think De la hoya Mayweather was close. That you believe Maidana won. After round 6 Floyd dominated him, more so than in their second fight. Mosley wobbled him. It was a good shot. He recovered well.

Maidana gave Floyd a much more difficult fight than Oscar did.

[Counter-puncher]

He did. I don't agree with the draw card but its not hugely different by my scoring as I think I had Floyd by 2pts.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Owes boxing sweet ferk all, deserves every penny it has given him. Ducked NO ONE, was involved in some of the biggest fights in recent years, and through his looks and marketability made some parasitical scum very wealthy along the way.

Boxing owes him nothing he owes Boxing........... richer then his wildest dream's yes he did fight every body that's what the problem is because as a promoter he is a joke.He is one of the main promoter's killing the game.

Erm,,,, WTF has " Golden Boy Promotions " got to do with Oscar De La Hoya the FIGHTER?

Sorry mate i'm just pissed off with the no fight [Canelo v GGG] ODH as a fighter he was very good just below the cream of the crop the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

[man]

the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet in another one
would not take SRR's last fights as the
lense through which his career is judged.

to me trinidad loss is not a real loss. while
i do not see it as a terrible robbery as many
including oscar did at the time, it is still
just his own - or his corner's - stupidity
which did cost him this one.

losing close twice against prime shane is
no shame ( :) ). similar argument for losing
to prime floyd. hopkins: crazy to go for that
fight to begin with.

i am aware i am kind go arguing away his
losses while not mentioning controversial
wins like storm. but i think it is important
that floyd probably would have lost his "0"
long time ago had he pursued the same
strategy of "i want to fight the very best i
can get in every fight."

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

[Ambling Alp II]

A big part of the criticism he gets is that many of his detractors just don't like him.

I guess I was one of the few that wasn't a big fan or a hater.

He was a clean fighter, didn't quit, went out of his way to take on tough competition. Those are things that I liked about him.
I do think he was a bit of a sore loser, though I have certainly seen worse. I didn't like that he badmouthed his former trainer; no matter how bad he may have been.

He was not a legend; but he was a tremendous fighter.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which his career is judged.

to me trinidad loss is not a real loss. while
i do not see it as a terrible robbery as many
including oscar did at the time, it is still
just his own - or his corner's - stupidity
which did cost him this one.

losing close twice against prime shane is
no shame ( :) ). similar argument for losing
to prime floyd. hopkins: crazy to go for that
fight to begin with.

i am aware i am kind go arguing away his
losses while not mentioning controversial
wins like storm. but i think it is important
that floyd probably would have lost his "0"
long time ago had he pursued the same
strategy of "i want to fight the very best i
can get in every fight."

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

I totally agree he [Oscar] never waited for the right moment like Floyd was renowned for when challenging himself and in my opinion the Mayweather fight was the toss of a coin I had Floyd a slight winner that night but I watched it with a bloke who had well over 100 fight's and he thought Oscar deserved the decision I didn't argue the point with him the night he beat 41-0 Miguel Angel Gonzalez he looked unbeatable his jab was OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD I WISH HE USED THE SAME METHIOD HE WENT BY WHEN HE WAS FIGHTING AND THAT WAS TO FIGHT THE VERY BEST OUT THERE AND CHALLENGE HIMSELF AND GET PAYED WELL the way he is handling the Canelo/GGG thing is ridiculous anyway he would have held his own in just about any era but not as a promoter he's way way down that list.

[man]

the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which

...

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

I totally agree he [Oscar] never waited for the right moment like Floyd was renowned for when challenging himself and in my opinion the Mayweather fight was the toss of a coin I had Floyd a slight winner that night but I watched it with a bloke who had well over 100 fight's and he thought Oscar deserved the decision I didn't argue the point with him the night he beat 41-0 Miguel Angel Gonzalez he looked unbeatable his jab was OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD I WISH HE USED THE SAME METHIOD HE WENT BY WHEN HE WAS FIGHTING AND THAT WAS TO FIGHT THE VERY BEST OUT THERE AND CHALLENGE HIMSELF AND GET PAYED WELL the way he is handling the Canelo/GGG thing is ridiculous anyway he would have held his own in just about any era but not as a promoter he's way way down that list.

i actually have nothing to say about
oscar delahoya promoter. for me that
has nothing to do with him as a fighter.
not a thing.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which

...

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

I totally agree he [Oscar] never waited for the right moment like Floyd was renowned for when challenging himself and in my opinion the Mayweather fight was the toss of a coin I had Floyd a slight winner that night but I watched it with a bloke who had well over 100 fight's and he thought Oscar deserved the decision I didn't argue the point with him the night he beat 41-0 Miguel Angel Gonzalez he looked unbeatable his jab was OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD I WISH HE USED THE SAME METHIOD HE WENT BY WHEN HE WAS FIGHTING AND THAT WAS TO FIGHT THE VERY BEST OUT THERE AND CHALLENGE HIMSELF AND GET PAYED WELL the way he is handling the Canelo/GGG thing is ridiculous anyway he would have held his own in just about any era but not as a promoter he's way way down that list.

i actually have nothing to say about
oscar delahoya promoter. for me that
has nothing to do with him as a fighter.
not a thing.

Well your not me he's a f.c wit that's as greedy as they come and I don't really care what you think thanks all the same mate

[man]

Thing is though Man, he was ALWAYS willing to fight the cream. That is how you can come to the conclusion he was just below them. How many so called " ATG's " are there these days who would do anything to avoid the best available?

could not agree more. he never was
afraid of losing.

[Kalan]

to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't think he was that good -- although I agree that he beat Pernell Whitaker... But he lost to Mosley twice, Trinidad, Sturm, Mayweather, Hopkins, and Pacquiao... and most of those were his biggest fights... But he was one of the best ever at PR... De La Hoya and George Foreman were the 2 best PR guys in fistic history.. Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Leonard were very good at PR as well -- and they approached everything with that in mind... Which is smart, you should do that.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which his career is judged.

to me trinidad loss is not a real loss. while
i do not see it as a terrible robbery as many
including oscar did at the time, it is still
just his own - or his corner's - stupidity
which did cost him this one.

losing close twice against prime shane is
no shame ( :) ). similar argument for losing
to prime floyd. hopkins: crazy to go for that
fight to begin with.

i am aware i am kind go arguing away his
losses while not mentioning controversial
wins like storm. but i think it is important
that floyd probably would have lost his "0"
long time ago had he pursued the same
strategy of "i want to fight the very best i
can get in every fight."

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

Thing is though Man, he was ALWAYS willing to fight the cream. That is how you can come to the conclusion he was just below them. How many so called " ATG's " are there these days who would do anything to avoid the best available?

Your right mate look at how everyone wants an arm and a leg to fight the middleweight champ as if its their right to price them self out of challenging the world champ yesteryear they would have given their right arm for a shot at the champ not today though that's what gets me about ODH he fought them all when he was fighting but he protects his golden goose Canelo like he's his only son.

[Kalan]

the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which his career is judged.

to me trinidad loss is not a real loss. while
i do not see it as a terrible robbery as many
including oscar did at the time, it is still
just his own - or his corner's - stupidity
which did cost him this one.

losing close twice against prime shane is
no shame ( :) ). similar argument for losing
to prime floyd. hopkins: crazy to go for that
fight to begin with.

i am aware i am kind go arguing away his
losses while not mentioning controversial
wins like storm. but i think it is important
that floyd probably would have lost his "0"
long time ago had he pursued the same
strategy of "i want to fight the very best i
can get in every fight."

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

Of course Robinson shouldn't be judged on his last fights, of which he lost a lot of those but he was old... I judge him on the Gold Standard... HIs record in Middleweight Title Defenses, which was 3-3 with 2 KO wins... Gennady Golovkin's record in Middleweight Title Defenses is 17-0 with 17 KO wins. Better.

De La Hoya's record in Middleweight Title Defenses is 0-1... with 0 knock outs... and I disagree that he beat Sturm for a Middleweight Title in the 1st place -- and he was very slow to rematch Trinidad or Mosley -- ducking them for a very long time.

Oscar ducked Winky Wright when they were both 154-pound champions... Instead he fought washed up Luis Ramon Campas because Winky would have flattened him.

[Kalan]

They do... Both Mosley and Trinidad wanted IMMEDIATE rematches with De La Hoya... Oscar turned down all reasonable offers for the red-hot rematches, even though he lost both fights... It wasn't until Mosley had a 3-fight winless streak going that Oscar thought he was vulnerable...That was years later... He never did rematch Tito, and offers galore were were given him for that fight over the years... He also turned down all over offers to unify 154 with Winky Wright and fought the washed up Campas instead... I always thought DLH was way overrated anyway, but facts are facts... He was a ducker and nobody can deny it.

Yes...Ray Robinson was another who carefully selected his opponents to avoid defeat.. although SRR was a much better boxer than DLH.. When Ralph Jones beat SRR he turned down the rematch.. When Joey Maxim beat SRR, he turned down the rematch, retired for 2 years, and never fought LHW again.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

First time I ever heard that ODLH took a dive against Hopkins.

Looked 150% legit to me.

It wasn't a shot to the belly. It was a liver punch, and as "Man" just opined, it's the kind of punch that causes excruciating pain and pretty much paralyzes you for about 30 seconds.

DLH had far too much pride to go down in a dive.

And for what reason? He didn't need any extra money. He earned more than $300 million in purses.

Oscar is definitely HOF material.

He was the face of boxing as Tyson faded, and was a household name to even casual fans.

A DLH fight was an event.

Oscar fought them all. Ridiculous to think at one time he was branded "Chicken De la Hoya"

He was far over his best weight at 160 but fought pretty much even with the great Hopkins until the end.

Give Oscar his due. Maybe he wasn't the GOAT, and let outside interests partially derail his success (remember when he cut an album during training for the Trinidad bout?).

But he took on everyone, beat most (and some of those decisions against him---Mosely, Tito---were very suspect) and kept our favorite sport in the spotlight.

Boxing owes a big round of thanks to Oscar de la Hoya.

This point is often forgotten. Some people need to rewatch that fight.

Anybody that thought it was even sure does.

[Kalan]

They do... Both Mosley and Trinidad wanted IMMEDIATE rematches with De La Hoya... Oscar turned down all reasonable offers for the red-hot rematches, even though he lost both fights... It wasn't until Mosley had a 3-fight winless streak going that Oscar thought he was vulnerable...That was years later... He never did rematch Tito, and offers galore were were given him for that fight over the years... He also turned down all over offers to unify 154 with Winky Wright and fought the washed up Campas instead... I always thought DLH was way overrated anyway, but facts are facts... He was a ducker and nobody can deny it.

Yes...Ray Robinson was another who carefully selected his opponents to avoid defeat.. although SRR was a much better boxer than DLH.. When Ralph Jones beat SRR he turned down the rematch.. When Joey Maxim beat SRR, he turned down the rematch, retired for 2 years, and never fought LHW again.

Sources for those accusations?

I have to say I find your viewpoint comical if nothing else. So now fighters rather than wanting rematches against guys that beat them, want IMMEDIATE rematches against fighters they have beaten. Is this only in Kalansville, or a universal ploy?

So lets get this straight. Are you claiming that Tito threw his toys out of his pram and fought David Reid for the 154 title 6 months after beating Oscar because DLH refused him an immediate rematch? Then he stayed there for a further 15 months, before planning to go up yet again to 160 and fight Joppy. Meanwhile DeLaHoya was still campaigning at 147.

I think your imagination could put Hans Christian Andersen to shame.

You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

[Kalan]

Sources for those accusations?

I have to say I find your viewpoint comical if nothing else. So now fighters rather than wanting rematches against guys that beat them, want IMMEDIATE rematches against fighters they have beaten. Is this only in Kalansville, or a universal ploy?

So lets get this straight. Are you claiming that Tito threw his toys out of his pram and fought David Reid for the 154 title 6 months after beating Oscar because DLH refused him an immediate rematch? Then he stayed there for a further 15 months, before planning to go up yet again to 160 and fight Joppy. Meanwhile DeLaHoya was still campaigning at 147.

I think your imagination could put Hans Christian Andersen to shame.

You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

So basically you are accusing DLH of cowardice because being the biggest cash cow in the game at the time, he stopped two parasites from earning their 2nd biggest paydays of their careers immediately after he granted them the 1st ones.

You are one weirdo.

You're a f%*#g nutcase... Parasites??? ... The biggest paydays De La Hoya ever received up to that point were fighting Mosley and Trinidad... The red-hot rematches would have been much bigger for all 3 fighters... They're all in the boxing business to make money... One hand washes the other.

[gilgamesh]

You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

Before Mosley ever fought Winky Wright, he had gotten his rematch with Oscar that he wanted, and he lost again. I'm not that high on Oscar these days with the way he's behaving as Canelo's promoter, but to pretend he ducked anybody in his time as a fighter is absurd. You'd have a hard time naming any fighter over the last 25 years who faced stiff competition as routinely as Oscar did.

Mosley, Felix Sturm, Bernard Hopkins...all right in a row at one point. Felix Sturm was the soft touch opponent in that mix.

[man]

oscar actively looked for best opposition
even if that meant stretching his physical
limitations. which - to me - puts his losses
in perspective.

i understand one can dispute his ATG status,
i do not see how one can argue his attitude
and calling him a ducking coward or holding
a liver shot by a full blown middle weight
against him seems outright absurd.

[Kalan]

You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

Before Mosley ever fought Winky Wright, he had gotten his rematch with Oscar that he wanted, and he lost again. I'm not that high on Oscar these days with the way he's behaving as Canelo's promoter, but to pretend he ducked anybody in his time as a fighter is absurd. You'd have a hard time naming any fighter over the last 25 years who faced stiff competition as routinely as Oscar did.

Mosley, Felix Sturm, Bernard Hopkins...all right in a row at one point. Felix Sturm was the soft touch opponent in that mix.

That's ridiculous made up nonsense... The hottest fight in Boxing was the Trinidad-De La Hoya rematch.. Oscar ducked that fight forever.. After that, the biggest fight in Boxing was The Mosley-DLH rematch.. Oscar ducked that one for 3 years until Mosley had a 3-fight winless streak going.. The Wright-DLH 154- Title Unification Fight between Oscar and Winky was really big too.. Oscar chose to fight the washed up Yory Boy Campas instead of Winky.

Mosley offered Oscar a 3rd fight to prove that he already beat him twice... and Oscar also ducked that decisive matchup.

[Kalan]

The only fights in a row were Sturm and Hopkins... The Sturm decision was a flat out robbery -- and no rematch was offered... Hopkins was 39-years old -- and De La Hoya faked his way out of the fight when Hopkins started to chase him out of the ring and punish him... a fraud ending.