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Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
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Joseph Parker's handlers accuse Wladimir Klitschko of 'taking soft option' as chaos hits heavyweight title scene
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Wladimir Klitschko has put a spanner in the works of a proposed title fight with Anthony Joshua that has clouded an already murky heavyweight scene.
Klitschko's management have stalled in talks with Eddie Hearn who promotes IBF champion Anthony Joshua about a super fight in Manchester.
There are strong suggestions Klitschko will instead take on rugged Australian Lucas Browne in Germany, possibly with a WBA belt up for grabs.
There is major maneuvering going on to take advantage of the WBA and WBO belts vacated by troubled champion Tyson Fury.
Parker, as No 1 with the IBF and WBO, finds himself right in the middle of the mix but the road to the title keeps getting speed bumps added to it.
Duco Events bosses Dean Lonergan and David Higgins are continuing talks with American promoter Bob Arum about his fighter Andy Ruiz coming to New Zealand to contest a WBO belt.
They first have to have that cleared by the WBO at their annual conference in Puerto Rico which Lonegan will attend. He will have to fight off suggestions of a four-man box off for the belt.
Klitschko is No 2 in the WBO and there is the chance that Parker could fight the giant Ukrainian, though Lonergan doesn't see that happening. He has had no contact with Klitschko's management for several weeks.
There's also a chance that Hearn could call Parker's mandatory challenge and order him to fight Joshua on December 10 in Manchester.
Lonergan prefers to go down the Ruiz route for now, and couldn't resist a crack at Klitschko who has further clouded a murky scene.
"I can see the Anthony Joshua v Wladimir Klitschko fight falling over for a variety of reasons and Klitschko is going to take the soft option of fighting in Hamburg against Lucas Browne," Lonergan said.
"That just goes to show that Klitschko is past it and shot. He had the opportunity to make a massive comeback and massive statement against one of the young Lions of the division in Anthony Joshua.
"If he passes on that fight, he also has the opportunity to take on the other young lion of the division in Joseph Parker. But he's not ... he's taking the softest option possible and I think it's a disgrace that they couldn't finish that (Joshua) deal for the sake of boxing and his own credibility."
Lonergan suggested "club fighter" Browne was capable of knocking out Klitschko if the former champ fronted with a similar effort to when he lost to Fury in a huge upset last November.
Lonergan said he and Higgins had a "very good" meeting with Arum on Tuesday. Higgins would continue those discussions while Lonergan attended the WBO conference.
But everything pointed to Arum agreeing to a December 10 date in Auckland – dependent on the WBO title being up for grabs.
"I can't speak for Bob Arum, but his opinion is if Andy Ruiz is going to fight Joseph Parker it should be for the WBO world title. And if Klitschko doesn't have the balls to stand up and fight Joe, why shouldn't we fight for the world title?" Lonergan said.
Lonergan admitted there was also a possible option of fighting Joshua as the mandatory, a reflection of Parker's strong position in this mess.
"We could potentially be up for discussion on that. But the opportunity to make history with a world title fight in New Zealand is just to great an opportunity to pass up.
"If we take a long-term view, we'd much rather have a negotiation and a fight with Anthony Joshua when we are unifying two titles as opposed to us going to fight for one as a mandatory. It's going to be a better deal for Joseph Parker and Duco, and a much bigger fight.
"But the biggest hurdle to all of this happening is for the WBO to allow us to fight Andy Ruiz.
"If that happens, December 10 is looking likely to be a massive day in boxing. Potentially it is going to have Parker v Ruiz in New Zealand, Anthony Joshua v either David Price or Kubrat Pulev in Manchester, and Klitschko v Browne in Hamburg."
Hearn said the next 48 hours would be crucial to determining whether a last-minute deal could be stitched together with Klitschko but admitted it was time to look at other options.
Hearn suggested the uncertainty over the WBA being up for grabs in Manchester was the reason behind Klitschko's reluctance to fight Joshua.
Joseph Parker's handlers accuse Wladimir Klitschko of 'taking soft option' as chaos hits heavyweight title scene
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-spor ... itle-scene?
Wladimir Klitschko has put a spanner in the works of a proposed title fight with Anthony Joshua that has clouded an already murky heavyweight scene.
Klitschko's management have stalled in talks with Eddie Hearn who promotes IBF champion Anthony Joshua about a super fight in Manchester.
There are strong suggestions Klitschko will instead take on rugged Australian Lucas Browne in Germany, possibly with a WBA belt up for grabs.
There is major maneuvering going on to take advantage of the WBA and WBO belts vacated by troubled champion Tyson Fury.
Parker, as No 1 with the IBF and WBO, finds himself right in the middle of the mix but the road to the title keeps getting speed bumps added to it.
Duco Events bosses Dean Lonergan and David Higgins are continuing talks with American promoter Bob Arum about his fighter Andy Ruiz coming to New Zealand to contest a WBO belt.
They first have to have that cleared by the WBO at their annual conference in Puerto Rico which Lonegan will attend. He will have to fight off suggestions of a four-man box off for the belt.
Klitschko is No 2 in the WBO and there is the chance that Parker could fight the giant Ukrainian, though Lonergan doesn't see that happening. He has had no contact with Klitschko's management for several weeks.
There's also a chance that Hearn could call Parker's mandatory challenge and order him to fight Joshua on December 10 in Manchester.
Lonergan prefers to go down the Ruiz route for now, and couldn't resist a crack at Klitschko who has further clouded a murky scene.
"I can see the Anthony Joshua v Wladimir Klitschko fight falling over for a variety of reasons and Klitschko is going to take the soft option of fighting in Hamburg against Lucas Browne," Lonergan said.
"That just goes to show that Klitschko is past it and shot. He had the opportunity to make a massive comeback and massive statement against one of the young Lions of the division in Anthony Joshua.
"If he passes on that fight, he also has the opportunity to take on the other young lion of the division in Joseph Parker. But he's not ... he's taking the softest option possible and I think it's a disgrace that they couldn't finish that (Joshua) deal for the sake of boxing and his own credibility."
Lonergan suggested "club fighter" Browne was capable of knocking out Klitschko if the former champ fronted with a similar effort to when he lost to Fury in a huge upset last November.
Lonergan said he and Higgins had a "very good" meeting with Arum on Tuesday. Higgins would continue those discussions while Lonergan attended the WBO conference.
But everything pointed to Arum agreeing to a December 10 date in Auckland – dependent on the WBO title being up for grabs.
"I can't speak for Bob Arum, but his opinion is if Andy Ruiz is going to fight Joseph Parker it should be for the WBO world title. And if Klitschko doesn't have the balls to stand up and fight Joe, why shouldn't we fight for the world title?" Lonergan said.
Lonergan admitted there was also a possible option of fighting Joshua as the mandatory, a reflection of Parker's strong position in this mess.
"We could potentially be up for discussion on that. But the opportunity to make history with a world title fight in New Zealand is just to great an opportunity to pass up.
"If we take a long-term view, we'd much rather have a negotiation and a fight with Anthony Joshua when we are unifying two titles as opposed to us going to fight for one as a mandatory. It's going to be a better deal for Joseph Parker and Duco, and a much bigger fight.
"But the biggest hurdle to all of this happening is for the WBO to allow us to fight Andy Ruiz.
"If that happens, December 10 is looking likely to be a massive day in boxing. Potentially it is going to have Parker v Ruiz in New Zealand, Anthony Joshua v either David Price or Kubrat Pulev in Manchester, and Klitschko v Browne in Hamburg."
Hearn said the next 48 hours would be crucial to determining whether a last-minute deal could be stitched together with Klitschko but admitted it was time to look at other options.
Hearn suggested the uncertainty over the WBA being up for grabs in Manchester was the reason behind Klitschko's reluctance to fight Joshua.
Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
What a pile of crap.
It's a disgrace to Wlad's reputation and credibility that at almost 41 he didn't fight Joshua? What does that say about the credibility of Parker and AJ? AJ doesn't leave home at all and just beats up on mediocre, big-breasted opponents, while Parker scraped by Takam and hasn't touched anyone close to the top ten since. Browne may well be a better opponent than Andy Ruiz anyway.
It's a disgrace to Wlad's reputation and credibility that at almost 41 he didn't fight Joshua? What does that say about the credibility of Parker and AJ? AJ doesn't leave home at all and just beats up on mediocre, big-breasted opponents, while Parker scraped by Takam and hasn't touched anyone close to the top ten since. Browne may well be a better opponent than Andy Ruiz anyway.
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
The reality is everyone is pushing their own barrow and looking after their own interests.
But I can appreciate Duco's frustration - Parker is Joshua's mandatory for the IBF title - and Eddie Hearn has f...ed them around for months.
As for Wlad, Fury f...ed him around for months too, and he wants a title bad, but not necessarily Joshua's.
But I can appreciate Duco's frustration - Parker is Joshua's mandatory for the IBF title - and Eddie Hearn has f...ed them around for months.
As for Wlad, Fury f...ed him around for months too, and he wants a title bad, but not necessarily Joshua's.
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
crusader wrote:What a pile of crap.
It's a disgrace to Wlad's reputation and credibility that at almost 41 he didn't fight Joshua? What does that say about the credibility of Parker and AJ? AJ doesn't leave home at all and just beats up on mediocre, big-breasted opponents, while Parker scraped by Takam and hasn't touched anyone close to the top ten since. Browne may well be a better opponent than Andy Ruiz anyway.
Parker clearly won on point's against Takam it was close but decisive by saying he ''scraped by Takam'' you make it sound like it could have went either way and that is not true
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
Takam was certainly a step up fight for Parker. He received broad praise for taking the fight and acquitted himself very well. Can't see how anyone would not be impressed with by his performance.ClivePatrickLyons wrote:crusader wrote:What a pile of crap.
It's a disgrace to Wlad's reputation and credibility that at almost 41 he didn't fight Joshua? What does that say about the credibility of Parker and AJ? AJ doesn't leave home at all and just beats up on mediocre, big-breasted opponents, while Parker scraped by Takam and hasn't touched anyone close to the top ten since. Browne may well be a better opponent than Andy Ruiz anyway.
Parker clearly won on point's against Takam it was close but decisive by saying he ''scraped by Takam'' you make it sound like it could have went either way and that is not true
Two of the judges had Parker by 4 rounds - 116-112, 116-112 and 115-113.
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By scraped by I mean that is was a tough and close fight for Parker. I had him winning, but to me it was only a 7-5 type fight where JP had to really dig deep.ClivePatrickLyons wrote:crusader wrote:What a pile of crap.
It's a disgrace to Wlad's reputation and credibility that at almost 41 he didn't fight Joshua? What does that say about the credibility of Parker and AJ? AJ doesn't leave home at all and just beats up on mediocre, big-breasted opponents, while Parker scraped by Takam and hasn't touched anyone close to the top ten since. Browne may well be a better opponent than Andy Ruiz anyway.
Parker clearly won on point's against Takam it was close but decisive by saying he ''scraped by Takam'' you make it sound like it could have went either way and that is not true
Very good result for a prospect taking a huge step up, and I like Parker a lot, but what I said in my previous post stands; truly laughable remarks.
Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
Duco talking down Browne again ho hum. 
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crusader wrote:By scraped by I mean that is was a tough and close fight for Parker. I had him winning, but to me it was only a 7-5 type fight where JP had to really dig deep.ClivePatrickLyons wrote:crusader wrote:What a pile of crap.
It's a disgrace to Wlad's reputation and credibility that at almost 41 he didn't fight Joshua? What does that say about the credibility of Parker and AJ? AJ doesn't leave home at all and just beats up on mediocre, big-breasted opponents, while Parker scraped by Takam and hasn't touched anyone close to the top ten since. Browne may well be a better opponent than Andy Ruiz anyway.
Parker clearly won on point's against Takam it was close but decisive by saying he ''scraped by Takam'' you make it sound like it could have went either way and that is not true
Very good result for a prospect taking a huge step up, and I like Parker a lot, but what I said in my previous post stands; truly laughable remarks.
Mate he's the number 1 contender by the IBF and WBO he looked good in his last couple he's on the verge of a Title shot and that's been in the works since he beat Takam and now if he gets Ruiz for the vacant WBO belt then that's the best possible fight for Parker and he can fight the tougher fight's later when he's go [WBO belt] so getting him beat or throwing him in the deep end before his Title shot well that would be the dumbest thing I ever seen in this part of the World if Duco got Parker beat by taking the silly road to a Title shot before he makes that life changing money in a unification
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
Meanwhile, the world waits to see whether the WBA agrees to throw their belt into the mix for Joshua vs Klitschko.
If they don't, Klitschko vs Browne may well be the result.
If they don't, Klitschko vs Browne may well be the result.
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
If the WBA want Wlad back as champion as badly as he wants to win the WBA title back they will refuse to go with Joshua and let Wlad fight Browne. I think that's what is going to happen.
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
This 'who will Wlad fight' saga isn't quite over yet.
Yes, Browne vs Klitschko got listed in Boxrec briefly. It looked just like this :

But it has since been removed, and according to Klitschko’s manager, Bernd Boente, he can't confirm the fight with Browne because the WBA has not issued their final decision on things yet.
“There is no final decision by the WBA. We have to wait and see what we can do next,” Boente said.
Yes, Browne vs Klitschko got listed in Boxrec briefly. It looked just like this :

But it has since been removed, and according to Klitschko’s manager, Bernd Boente, he can't confirm the fight with Browne because the WBA has not issued their final decision on things yet.
“There is no final decision by the WBA. We have to wait and see what we can do next,” Boente said.
Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
DUCO are not exactly taking the tough road either. Their fight with Ruiz is being panned.
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
Many are missing the point entirely with Parker v Ruiz.
No Kiwi has ever won any version of a world heavyweight title before. Let alone in a title fight held on NZ soil. Parker v Ruiz allows both possibilities.
By winning a title first Parker will then be in a far better negotiating position when it comes to meeting the holders of other titles. Instead of getting a small portion of the money he will get half of it.
No Kiwi has ever won any version of a world heavyweight title before. Let alone in a title fight held on NZ soil. Parker v Ruiz allows both possibilities.
By winning a title first Parker will then be in a far better negotiating position when it comes to meeting the holders of other titles. Instead of getting a small portion of the money he will get half of it.
Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
Exactly, Duco and that imbecile Dean Lonergan, are piss poor gobshites, perhaps they should concentrate on coreographing their paid dives better, rather than worry what every one else is doing.DA GOOSE wrote:Duco talking down Browne again ho hum.
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
It appears the main reason the WBA are reluctant to offer their title to Joshua vs Klitschko is Lucas Browne already has them by the balls over their previous promises to him :
WBA president Gilberto Mendoza Jr. said on Thursday night that an announcement will not be made until Friday afternoon regarding whether it will sanction Klitschko vs. Joshua or if it will mandate Klitschko vs. Browne. The WBA was supposed to make an announcement earlier today, but did not because it has "too many legal matters to consider" as it relates to "the settlement agreement with Lucas Browne," who had previously been stripped of the secondary title earlier this year following a failed drug test and suspension.
http://www.fightsports.tv/story/3344189 ... cas-browne
WBA president Gilberto Mendoza Jr. said on Thursday night that an announcement will not be made until Friday afternoon regarding whether it will sanction Klitschko vs. Joshua or if it will mandate Klitschko vs. Browne. The WBA was supposed to make an announcement earlier today, but did not because it has "too many legal matters to consider" as it relates to "the settlement agreement with Lucas Browne," who had previously been stripped of the secondary title earlier this year following a failed drug test and suspension.
http://www.fightsports.tv/story/3344189 ... cas-browne
Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
They certainly have short memories Wlad sparred Joseph and gave him exposure on the Leapai undercard. I like JP but his team seem like morons and ungrateful hypocrites.dberry wrote:Exactly, Duco and that imbecile Dean Lonergan, are piss poor gobshites, perhaps they should concentrate on coreographing their paid dives better, rather than worry what every one else is doing.DA GOOSE wrote:Duco talking down Browne again ho hum.
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
Wlad Klitschko has today confirmed that he'll be fighting for a world title at the end of year, but he's not ready to confirm the sanctioning body or the opponent.
http://www.BS.com/klitschko-co ... nt--110035?
So he has at least confirmed he will be fighting - I think?
http://www.BS.com/klitschko-co ... nt--110035?
So he has at least confirmed he will be fighting - I think?
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Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
Wlad has put the cue in the rack for 2016. A calf injury has put pay to any thoughts of a December 10th fight :
http://www.ringtv.com/469297-klitschko- ... c-10-date/?
http://www.ringtv.com/469297-klitschko- ... c-10-date/?
Re: Duco : "Wlad will end up fighting 'club fighter' Lucas Browne"
With Klitchko getting Injured. I see Lucas Browne fighting Fres Oquendo on Dec.3 Possibly in Sydney.
Parker vs Ruiz Jnr. Dec. 10 in Auckland NZ
Parker vs Ruiz Jnr. Dec. 10 in Auckland NZ