Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

Who would win?

Poll ended at 24 Oct 2016, 03:28

Wladimir Klitschko
26
93%
Lucas Browne
2
7%
 
Total votes: 28

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Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

Former WBA heavyweight champion Lucas “Big Daddy” Browne (24-0, 21 KOs) vs. Wladimir Klitschko (64-4, 53 KOs) is a possibility for the vacant World Boxing Association heavyweight title on December 10 if the WBA fails to sanction the Klitschko vs. Anthony Joshua fight for the title.

This is news from Dan Rafael. Browne, 37, would be at a huge disadvantage against Klitschko if that fight gets made. Browne is a good puncher, but he’s never fought anyone in the class of Klitschko before. Even if Wladimir chooses to throw only jabs against Browne and hold him all night long, he would likely easily beat him.

Klitschko, 40, and IBF heavyweight belt holder Joshua are both waiting to find out if the WBA will sanction their fight for the vacant WBA heavyweight title. If the WBA sanctions their fight, then Joshua and Klitschko will be fighting on December 10 at the Manchester Arena in Manchester, England.

The only thing holding up that fight from taking place is WBA president Gilberto Mendoza not pulling the trigger on it by sanctioning the fight. Klitschko doesn’t want to fight Joshua for just the IBF strap, which makes sense, because two titles are better than one. Besides, it’s personal for Wladimir, because the WBA title is one of the belts that Tyson Fury won off of him last November in his close 12 round unanimous decision win in Dusseldorf, Germany. Wladimir also lost his IBF/IBO and WBO heavyweight titles in that fight. He wants to win those back as well in addition to the WBC belt that is now in the hands of Deontay Wilder. Wladimir has his work cut out for him in trying to win all the belts back, but you can understand why he’d want the chance to win two at a time rather than just one in a fight against Joshua.

Klitschko’s management Bernd Boente and Shelly Finket have been in negotiations with Lucas Browne’s adviser Leon Margules for a fight on December 10 if the WBA fails to go ahead and sanction Klitschko’s match against Joshua for their title. Wladimir is adamant that he will not fight Joshua unless the WBA title is on the line as swell. That was part of the agreement when Wladimir’s team started negotiations with Joshuas management. If they can’t make the Klitschko vs. Joshua fight this year in December, then the fight will take place in 2017 at some point.

Wladimir’s manager Bernd Boente said this to ESPN.com about Joshua and his promoter Eddie Hearn:
“For Wladimir it is very important to have the WBA title in a fight with Joshua. We made a deal with Eddie easily. We tried to find and agreement and we made a deal. If the fight doesn’t happen now and Wladimir and Joshua both win their next fight we can do the fight under the same deal next year and it would be even bigger. The framework is there.”
Wladimir would need to beat Lucas Browne, of course, for a fight against Joshua to be worth anything. It’s bad news if Wladimir gets knocked out by Browne, and then tries to make the same deal with Joshua next year that he’s trying to do right now. The same goes for Joshua. He needs to win his next fight in December against whoever his promoter Eddie Hearn can get for him.

If the fight against Klitschko fails to go through, then Joshua will need a good opponent for him to fight on Sky Box Office pay-per-view in December. Former world title challenge Kubrat Pulev’s name has been mentioned as a possibility for Joshua. However, Pulev might be a difficult fight to make on short notice. He’ll obviously sense the urgency in Joshua’s camp in needing an opponent to be signed quickly for his December date, and he’s not going to make it easy on them. Pulev lost to Klitschko in 2014 in getting knocked out in five rounds. He’s ranked #2 by the International Boxing Federations right now. It might be better off for Pulev to wait until he’s the IBF mandatory challenger before he takes the fight with Joshua, because he’ll get a bigger payday that way.

“We will go with the WBA ruling,” Boente said. “We hope they rule quickly because Dec. 10 is not far away.”

The WBO title absolutely will not be on the line for the Joshua vs. Klitschko fight. The WBO wants to have a four-man box off for the vacant WBO heavyweight title. It’s unclear who those fighters will be, but you have to figure that these will be the names that are initially asked by the WBO to compete in the box off: Joseph Parker, Andy Ruiz Jr., David Haye and Hughie Fury. If one of them turns down the WBO’s offer, then they’ll almost surely keep moving down the rankings until they’ve found four heavyweight contenders that will agree to fight in the box off. Boente says Wladimir WILL NOT participate in the WBO’s four-man tournament. He doesn’t see it as a move that makes sense at this point in the Ukrainian fighter’s career. Wladimir is ranked at #2 by the WBO, so he’ll obviously be one of the fighters that are asked to participate in the tourney, but obviously having to go through two fights to win the vacant WBO title is not what Wladimir is interested in. For Wladimir to win the WBO title, he’d likely need to beat the likes of Joseph Parker and David Haye. Those would both be tough fights. Even if Wladimir fought Hughie Fury, he’d have his hands full. If Wladimir can’t let his hands go better than he did in his loss to Tyson Fury last November, then he’s going to have problems no matter who he faces. If the WBA is going to allow Wladimir to fight Lucas Browne for their vacant WBA title on December 10, then there’s no point in Wladimir going to the trouble of fighting in the WBO’s four-man tournament. He can pick up a title the easy way by fighting Browne.

Wladimir is going to have problems holding onto the WBA title if he beats Browne. The top contender for the belt is #1 Luis Ortiz, and that would be a very tough fight for Wladimir at this point in his career. Wladimir wouldn’t be able to clinch his way to a win over someone like Ortiz. He’s solid heavyweight who comes from Cuba. Ortiz would force Wladimir to fight if he wanted to keep from getting knocked out. It’s likely that Wladimir will wait for the Joshua fight if he can beat Browne to capture the WBA title. Wladimir would wait until he gets the big money unification match against Joshua. That way if Wladimir loses the fight, which would seem likely, he’ll at least be able to walk away with $15 million and do whatever with the rest of his boxing career. It’s possible that Wladimir might consider retirement if he loses badly to Joshua. It’s hard to tell. Wladimir will have problems against the other top heavyweights if he tries to hit the rest button on his career.
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

Post by DannyMCR »

I had a feeling this would be the most likely outcome, (although I hate it) it makes more financial sense for everyone to go down this route so they can keep building the fight for Wembley next summer.
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

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Besides, it’s personal for Wladimir, because the WBA title is one of the belts that Tyson Fury won off of him last November in his close 12 round unanimous decision win in Dusseldorf, Germany.
Utter nonsense.

Fury also won the IBF title from Wlad, and that was not a close fight, Wlad won like 3 rounds.
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

Post by PsychoGamerTwo »

May the better one win... Klitschko is past it, but so was Chagaev, and he outboxed & downed Browne. If Browne doesn't perform 120% & stops him, i can only see Wlad winning, whether by UD or KO.
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

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If Klit looses to Browne he needs to not only retire but shot himself.
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

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Browne is made to order for Wlad. I don't know if Wlad could possibly get shot enough to lose to Lucas Browne at least not until he's 45 or so.
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

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Klitschko should retire already.
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

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sad if true
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

Post by lefty »

I'd be happy if Browne gets the opportunity. I heard Whyte say that Browne has barely made any money and was living with his parents. It's not the best fight in the world but it's not the worst.
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Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

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Looks like it's confirmed by Boxrec- Lucas Big Daddy Browne 24-0 fight Klitschko on 10th December!!

Last time Klitschko fought he lost to Fury who was 24-0....

Not a coincidence ....

Klitschko to be knocked out by Big Daddy Browne!!
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

Post by Killer Blow »

Browne can punch and I wish him all the best but he has no boxing skills and his chin isn't as good as one would think. Klitschko mid-late stoppage.
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

Post by Cyclops »

Boxrec listing the fight isn't a confirmation. They've listed fights in the past that haven't come off.

Don't mind it to be honest. Browne wouldn't have laid a glove on a prime Wlad, so it would be interesting to see how far Wladamir has slipped if Browne has success or even beats him.
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Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lucas Browne possible for December 10

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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

Post by BenB84 »

This guy has just had to feel the full brunt of wild allegations about drugs, being stripped of a title he has just won, Lucas Big Daddy Browne is an Australian champion and we love him!!

Lucas will train hard and come out and be the two time WBA world champion !

This guy (Browne) is a machine...
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

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Klitschko by mid round stoppage. He's a level above Browne.
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

Post by greg »

..I'll give Browne a small chance...and not more than that..

I also believe it's a waste of time chasing this and other belts...Klitschko has proved everything there was to prove dominating HW division for 10 years. Now that he has lost all belts, he shouldn't concentrate on getting them all back, rather on getting his "revenge" fighting Fury (if possible) or fight one or two "young and hungry lions", Joshua being one of them, and then retire...That's how he will be remembered (provided it happens): 40-year old who beat the best and then retired...

Getting this WBA title? Winning against Browne? - bfd...
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

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greg wrote:..I'll give Browne a small chance...and not more than that..

I also believe it's a waste of time chasing this and other belts...Klitschko has proved everything there was to prove dominating HW division for 10 years. Now that he has lost all belts, he shouldn't concentrate on getting them all back, rather on getting his "revenge" fighting Fury (if possible) or fight one or two "young and hungry lions", Joshua being one of them, and then retire...That's how he will be remembered (provided it happens): 40-year old who beat the best and then retired...

Getting this WBA title? Winning against Browne? - bfd...
Well I think Klitchko is well within his rights to fight for his old belts. Isn't that the whole point? I'm sure he would have preferred to fight Fury, but he can't. It's better to have pride in fighting the titles than trying to cash in one more big fight. Credit to the man.
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

Post by Grailer »

Klitschko needs to retire now. There is nothing left for him to prove. It's unfortunate he didnt get to fight Fury again but it is a waste of time fighting club fighter Browne for the ABC .
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

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Browne is rated No. 10 heavyweight by BoxRec.
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

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Rob3_142 wrote:
greg wrote:..I'll give Browne a small chance...and not more than that..

I also believe it's a waste of time chasing this and other belts...Klitschko has proved everything there was to prove dominating HW division for 10 years. Now that he has lost all belts, he shouldn't concentrate on getting them all back, rather on getting his "revenge" fighting Fury (if possible) or fight one or two "young and hungry lions", Joshua being one of them, and then retire...That's how he will be remembered (provided it happens): 40-year old who beat the best and then retired...

Getting this WBA title? Winning against Browne? - bfd...
Well I think Klitchko is well within his rights to fight for his old belts. Isn't that the whole point? I'm sure he would have preferred to fight Fury, but he can't. It's better to have pride in fighting the titles than trying to cash in one more big fight. Credit to the man.
..I'm not talking about his rights, I'm saying he's out of time and should concentrate on beating the best rather than collecting the belts he used to have..
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

Post by BitPlayer »

I guess taking an easy option is somewhat acceptable considering it's fairly short notice, he's been out for a bit and coming off a loss.

Stll very disappointing.
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

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greg wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
greg wrote:..I'll give Browne a small chance...and not more than that..

I also believe it's a waste of time chasing this and other belts...Klitschko has proved everything there was to prove dominating HW division for 10 years. Now that he has lost all belts, he shouldn't concentrate on getting them all back, rather on getting his "revenge" fighting Fury (if possible) or fight one or two "young and hungry lions", Joshua being one of them, and then retire...That's how he will be remembered (provided it happens): 40-year old who beat the best and then retired...

Getting this WBA title? Winning against Browne? - bfd...
Well I think Klitchko is well within his rights to fight for his old belts. Isn't that the whole point? I'm sure he would have preferred to fight Fury, but he can't. It's better to have pride in fighting the titles than trying to cash in one more big fight. Credit to the man.
..I'm not talking about his rights, I'm saying he's out of time and should concentrate on beating the best rather than collecting the belts he used to have..
Well strictly speaking, the best should be the ones fighting for the belts, but unfortunately that is one of the inherent problems with the game.
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Re: Browne v Klitschko CONFIRMED 10th December 2016

Post by Tarkus »

Last 5 years I hear people retiring Klitschko. Man has a drive to keep training, to keep fighting and if he is still successful why should he retire? And how he has nothing to prove when most people refuse to give him credit. Lot of self proclaimed historians refuse to rank him in all time HW top 10. If he reunifies the titles and defeats young lions it will go a long way to shut up critics. Keep telling you only way Wlad retires is if he is conclusively defeated.
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