Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Burns
57
54%
Relikh
32
30%
Draw
17
16%
 
Total votes: 106

Furey
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Furey »

I had Burns winning the fight by 2 rounds. Relikh impressed me and a few more fights down the line, I think he has the tools to make some noise. Ricky Hatton has a good fighter on his hands.

The first two rounds, Relikh looked the bollocks.. he finished strong also... but the middle rounds was mainly Burns.

I still think he missed a trick by constantly swapping between orthodox and southpaw so early on... because after a few rounds Burns had it worked out. Orthodox was working early, had he kept it like that for a few rounds and then started to switch it around it would have gave Burns something new to think about.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Furey »

A fight with Broner gives him the big $$$$ , but Burns won't get near him... all wrong for him.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by PredatorHayds »

Furey wrote:A fight with Broner gives him the big $$$$ , but Burns won't get near him... all wrong for him.
Might have to find a Plan B. Broner looks to be having more out of the ring problems. Was threatening suicide on Wednesday.

Despite his faults I wouldn't wish that frame of mind on anyone.
I can see Burns-Nurse on a PPV near you soon.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Autobarn »

Horse wrote:
Naandrew wrote:Remember A judge gave Scott Quigg the fight against Franpton. No way at all could anyone have given him any I the first 8 rounds as he barely threw a punch.
Frampton was rubbish as well.

Quigg could have won a few of the early rounds.

Frampton's work in the early rounds is massively overrated on here.
I agree, it was mostly spoiling and "neutralising" and the Irishman relied a lot on being the naturally faster man. Had Frampton by a close margin.

When Quigg, really an aggressive counter puncher, landed full on, Frampton was extremely negative. Although Frampton stood up surprisingly well during the late exchanges when they started trading.

Nice right uppercut, though.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Autobarn »

Furey wrote:A fight with Broner gives him the big $$$$ , but Burns won't get near him... all wrong for him.
i think Burns was really eager for the payday.

He's put in some brave showings but he could lose at any time. These guys have all figured his style out, a long time ago. Think he would've had a good fight with Broner, who has talent but doesn't work too hard. Nothing wrong with the fitness and desire of Burns.

So how likely is a Reilekh rematch?
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by lillywhite14 »

Relikh, with the knockdown that didn't get called, won it for me. if the knockdown is not called, as it obviously wasn't, then mabe a decent argument for a draw.

Scoring was a joke, as was the coverage. So biased, it detracted from the enjoyment of the fight.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Autobarn »

Watched this outstanding fight three times. Really admired the fighters for managing to turn things around when it was going badly. There were three really compelling changes in momentum.

Scored it 6-6, then 6-5-1 then 7-5 to Burns.

Burns hurt early, then dominates the middle of the fight with beautiful boxing, the best boxing he's put in in years. Really made his right hand work, but - as often happens when a fighter can't miss his best shots ... then hurt during fierce championship rounds exchanges favouring the visitor.


So who next? Best to stay away from Relikh rematch. Flanagan wants to move up in weight but can the promoters agree on anything? Burns will want Broner for the big payday and a brash American represents good publicity and money.

Could they get someone known, from big US fights like Provodnikov? How about even rewatching Figueroa, over here? That was one of Burns' best performances of late given the circumstances (location and ref).
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by crusader »

Provo makes sense to me. He has a name and reputation for excitement among boxing fans, and can be sold to casuals as a warrior former champ, but he looked mediocre last time out and at this point I think Burns could outbox him comfortably.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Autobarn »

Might get Burns on an HBO or Showtime undercard. And a good style contrast.


Obviously Broner is a better fight, creates controversy, and beat Molina, who edged Provodnikov.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by boxingtruth »

Was at the fight and had Burns by one round. Watched it on YouTube a day later and thought Relikh should've got the decision by one round. Brilliant fight. Burns is on the slide.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by T w_savage »

billy nelson wrote:I had Ricky losing last night by 3 rounds, however the judge who gave it 118-110 should be investigated lol.
Hope Ricky get Broner and a great pay day next, the one thing last night did say was Ricky most Defo isn't a light welter
Me too, I had relikh by 3 possibly 4 tbh.. Ricky did clearly win some of the middle rounds though.. I tried in my head to make it a draw and could not, I knew it would be scored for Ricky as we all did but the cards were a joke.

Burns I thought was terrible but showed true grit and fighting spirit as always. tbh the judging in all his Glasgow fights that iv seen has been simply scandalous.

Imagine Liam smith fighting canelo like relikh fort burns we all would be screaming blue murder about the decision. boxing scoring is subjective of course but very very vunrable to expectation biased.


Still I hope he gets broner and a big payday!

It goes without saying if broner is fit mentally and physically then he beats burns easy but if he cuts corners and is not on his game don't be surprised if Ricky come on in the mid to late rounds and makes it close.

I think though unlikely the boxing world would rejoice if burns could stop broner late on!
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Keko »

Tight match certainly.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

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T w_savage wrote:Imagine Liam smith fighting canelo like relikh fort burns we all would be screaming blue murder about the decision.
No, we wouldn't.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Autobarn »

Burns showed he still has something in the defeat to Figueroa and the win over Relikh. Narrow both ways but I see an improvement in the use of the right hand. He used to throw it like a javelin, very awkward, long and telegraphed. Even during his peak years. It was looking straighter against Relikh and I admired the use of the uppercut also during the excellent spell Burns had during the middle of the fight.

And, in the above mentioned two fights - while he's clearly no longer in his prime - he was better than in the Arthur and Johanesson fights in which he was physically dominated with absolutely no solution. Some people are all doom and gloom. He'll never be the Ricky of the Roman Gonzalez, Katsidis and Mitchell fights, where he was outstanding. But he has dedication, fitness and experience.

I also think the Relikh win will look better in time.


We've all been critical of Ricky since Beltran, Crawford, Zlaticanin. Some of us saw encouragement in the Figueroa fight, which saw Ricky trade too much with a Mexican and in which the referee was on his case, overzealously. So, if the DiRocco fight flattered Burns somewhat, to quote Sky commentator Adam Smith, then it's good to see him come through a life and death test, in a crowd pleasing contest.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Andrew »

Autobarn wrote:Burns showed he still has something in the defeat to Figueroa and the win over Relikh. Narrow both ways but I see an improvement in the use of the right hand. He used to throw it like a javelin, very awkward, long and telegraphed. Even during his peak years. It was looking straighter against Relikh and I admired the use of the uppercut also during the excellent spell Burns had during the middle of the fight.

And, in the above mentioned two fights - while he's clearly no longer in his prime - he was better than in the Arthur and Johanesson fights in which he was physically dominated with absolutely no solution. Some people are all doom and gloom. He'll never be the Ricky of the Roman Gonzalez, Katsidis and Mitchell fights, where he was outstanding. But he has dedication, fitness and experience.

I also think the Relikh win will look better in time.


We've all been critical of Ricky since Beltran, Crawford, Zlaticanin. Some of us saw encouragement in the Figueroa fight, which saw Ricky trade too much with a Mexican and in which the referee was on his case, overzealously. So, if the DiRocco fight flattered Burns somewhat, to quote Sky commentator Adam Smith, then it's good to see him come through a life and death test, in a crowd pleasing contest.
F**king hell he didn't say that did he ?

That said I re watched this fight a week after and had it 115-113 Relikh.

No arguments what so ever that he won the first two and the last 3.

So that 118-110 card was disgusting.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Autobarn »

Yes an odd score, but no worse than Warrington beating Amagasa by 13 points in another fairly close, superb contest in Leeds.

Hope Broner is ok and they can make a fight with him. Broner has some good form, such as beating up Rees and Demarco, and some bad. Burns can also be inconsistent. Broner doesn't carry the 140 too well, IMO. I think Burns looks alright at 140 though he suffered late with Relikh.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by edb1000 »

I was at the fight and thought burns didn't have much left.
As regards to the decision I think most observers knew what was coming in terms of scoring. 118 to 110 is verging on fraud
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Andrew »

Autobarn wrote:Yes an odd score, but no worse than Warrington beating Amagasa by 13 points in another fairly close, superb contest in Leeds.

Hope Broner is ok and they can make a fight with him. Broner has some good form, such as beating up Rees and Demarco, and some bad. Burns can also be inconsistent. Broner doesn't carry the 140 too well, IMO. I think Burns looks alright at 140 though he suffered late with Relikh.
Broner is fighting Granados in Februrary. I think he can lose that if he isn't in shape and mentally not right. Granados's record is VERY deceiving

Hearn and Crawford were having a go at each other on Twitter so I can see that happening in March which is when Hearn said he will be ready
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Autobarn »

Naandrew wrote:
Autobarn wrote:Yes an odd score, but no worse than Warrington beating Amagasa by 13 points in another fairly close, superb contest in Leeds.

Hope Broner is ok and they can make a fight with him. Broner has some good form, such as beating up Rees and Demarco, and some bad. Burns can also be inconsistent. Broner doesn't carry the 140 too well, IMO. I think Burns looks alright at 140 though he suffered late with Relikh.
Broner is fighting Granados in Februrary. I think he can lose that if he isn't in shape and mentally not right. Granados's record is VERY deceiving

Hearn and Crawford were having a go at each other on Twitter so I can see that happening in March which is when Hearn said he will be ready
Oh, hope not. That was a bridge too far, even coming at a bad time. Who needs to see a repeat with Crawford taking another title off Burns?

Want Burns to get Broner, get a strong performance vs a good American in, on a good stage.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by Autobarn »

edb1000 wrote:I was at the fight and thought burns didn't have much left.
As regards to the decision I think most observers knew what was coming in terms of scoring. 118 to 110 is verging on fraud
I felt Burns won but was in desperate trouble at the end, although he fought back to engage in some exciting exchanges.

Loved the fight. If we get 3 bouts next year, Brit vs international, as good as Burns-Relikh, Warrington-Amagasa and Crolla-Linares I'll be happy.
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Re: Who do you think deserved the win; Burns or Relikh?

Post by olij999 »

Autobarn wrote:Burns showed he still has something in the defeat to Figueroa and the win over Relikh. Narrow both ways but I see an improvement in the use of the right hand. He used to throw it like a javelin, very awkward, long and telegraphed. Even during his peak years. It was looking straighter against Relikh and I admired the use of the uppercut also during the excellent spell Burns had during the middle of the fight.

And, in the above mentioned two fights - while he's clearly no longer in his prime - he was better than in the Arthur and Johanesson fights in which he was physically dominated with absolutely no solution. Some people are all doom and gloom. He'll never be the Ricky of the Roman Gonzalez, Katsidis and Mitchell fights, where he was outstanding. But he has dedication, fitness and experience.

I also think the Relikh win will look better in time.


We've all been critical of Ricky since Beltran, Crawford, Zlaticanin. Some of us saw encouragement in the Figueroa fight, which saw Ricky trade too much with a Mexican and in which the referee was on his case, overzealously. So, if the DiRocco fight flattered Burns somewhat, to quote Sky commentator Adam Smith, then it's good to see him come through a life and death test, in a crowd pleasing contest.
Think you mean Rocky Martinez rather than Roman Gonzalez. But agree with the points you're making.
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