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[elmersalsa]

By the way, I had it 146-142 in favor of the great Ruben Olivares. He couldn't crack Chucho Castillo like he wanted to. At the time, Olivares was 60-0-1, with 56KOs! Wow!

[scartissue]

I've been seeing a bit of activity on another board about the Chavez-Lockridge fight way back when. I recall watching it back in the day and was a bit amazed as to Chavez fighting matador. Lockridge was that kind of a banger that he could push Chavez into that role. Here we go - 10 point must.

Round 1: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Chavez
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Chavez
Round 7: 10-9 Chavez
Round 8: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 9: 10-9 Chavez
Round 10: 10-9 Chavez
Round 11: 10-9 Chavez
Round 12: 10-9 Chavez

Total: 117-113 Chavez

I had it even after 8 but then Chavez picked it up from 9-12. I thought Chavez fought brilliantly in the 9th, but Rocky was always there. In fact I came close to scoring the 11th even. Good fight.

[scartissue]

https://youtu.be/hyYs9qEYpRU

Here's one from the archives for us. The 1964 bout between Vicente Saldivar and Ismael Laguna. I was always interested in seeing this because of the controversy surrounding it. There are two fight reports on this bouton boxrec. One from a UPI wire report that suggests a close fight and one from the LA Times that suggests Laguna was robbed. I always leaned towards the Times report because a wire report is usually a reporter from the host country and can be biased. If you're going to watch the above link, I'll tell you right now that it is in no way high-def, but it is a fast-moving bout that will keep your attention. Funny enough that I actually thought they were shortened rounds and had to look at the time elapse to see how badly shortened they were. Well they were not. They showed the fight in its entirety with all 3 minutes a round. It was just fast moving and the styles gelled to keep me riveted. Anyways, here we go.

Round 1: Laguna
Round 2: Saldivar
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Laguna
Round 5: Saldivar
Round 6: Laguna
Round 7: Saldivar
Round 8: Laguna
Round 9: Laguna
Round 10: Saldivar

Total: 5-4-1 Laguna

Believe me, no robbery. This was damn close. It was Ali-Frazier stuff. Saldivar chasing down the elegant Laguna and when he did get inside he let it rip. However, Saldivar had to eat so much leather to get inside. It was so tight that I cannot dispute the UPI report, who had it 5-4-1 Saldivar. So many rounds were close they could have been scored even or for the other fighter. No robbery here. And I would suggest you all watch this for an enjoyable fight. Man, it was over before I knew it, which is how fast it played out

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

Some I watched recently :

Andy Ganigan vs Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez :

Rd1 : 9-10
Rd2 : 10-10
Rd3 : 10-8 (Gonzalez down)
Rd4 : 10-9
Rd5 : 10-9
Rd6 : 7-10 (Ganigan down twice)
Rd7 : 8-10 (Ganigan down)
Rd8 : 9-9 (Gonzalez lost a point for a low blow)
Rd9 : 9-10
Rd10 : 9-10

Final score : 91-95 for Gonzalez

Summary : Ganigan dominates a tentative Gonzalez until a "lucky" counter floors & hurts him in the 6th. Hawaiian never recovers properly and younger Mexican sweeps the rest. Scores (93-93, 92-94, 92-94) tighter than they should've been. Likely judges rewarded Ganigan in rounds 1-2 and maybe only gave 10-8 for Gonzalez in the decisive 6th round.

Claude Noel vs Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez :

Rd1 : 10-9
Rd2 : 10-9
Rd3 : 10-9
Rd4 : 10-9
Rd5 : 9-10
Rd6 : 10-9
Rd7 : 10-9
Rd8 : 10-9
Rd9 : 9-10
Rd10 : 10-9
Rd11 : 10-9
Rd12 : 9-10
Rd13 : 10-9
Rd14 : 9-10
Rd15 : 10-9

Final score 146-140 for Noel.

Summary : The same tentativeness which was visible early against Ganigan really takes a hold of Mexican prospect here. The threat of Noel's right hand keeps "Gato" in check and even the few rounds I gave him (5th and 9th) were bit of sympathy votes of at least having an evenish round in-between of getting ass kicked. Gonzalez finally came to life in rounds 12-15 even stunning Noel a couple of times (+ Trinidadian veteran was tiring), but it was way too little, too late. Official scorecards (145-140, 145-141, 144-141) were slightly closer than mine, but pretty much on spot. Good work from the trio of Lederman, Cappuccino & Sam Sangis.

[lazboy]

Just re-watched Leonard - Hagler. Seen it many times and always have Leonard winning, no different this time.

R1 10 - 9 Leonard
R2 10 - 9 Leonard
R3 10 - 10 Even
R4 10 - 9 Leonard
R5 10 - 10 Even
R6 10 - 9 Leonard
R7 10 - 9 Hagler
R8 10 - 9 Hagler
R9 10 - 9 Hagler
R10 10 - 10 Even
R11 10- 9 Leonard
R12 10 - 10 Even

117 - 115 Leonard

I have a version with Jil Clancy which I found frustrating. Comments like, "Leonard only landed one of those punches" when I clearly saw him land two. Sounds like he was a nervous wreck as he was close with Leonard.

[Seamus]

Carlos Monzon vs Jose Napoles

R1.10-9 JN
R2.Even
R3.10-9 JN
R4.10-9 JN
R5.10-9 CM
R6.10-8 CM
57-57 when Napoles fails to come out for the 7th. Good start from the Welterweight champion who jabbed well and displayed alot of aggression, but once Monzon found the range in the 5th it was over.

Carlos Monzon vs Nino Benvenuti I

I don't know how this fight managed to be named Ring's Fight of The Year for 1970, because it was totally one sided. Benvenuti won the 9th round and Monzon won everything else. Benvenuti was thoroughly outjabbed and outworked, and was just not busy enough with his hands throughout most of the bout. Sorry Monzon fans, but Hagler would have ended this inside of 2 rounds.

[Keko]

Lennox Lewis vs Ray Mercer
Round 1 - Mercer 10:9
Round 2 - Lewis 10:9
Round 3 - Mercer 10:9
Round 4 - Lewis 10:9
Round 5 - Mercer 10:9
Round 6 - Mercer 10:9
Round 7 - Lewis 10:9
Roind 8 - Lewis 10:9
Round 9 - Lewis 10:9
Round 10 - Mercer 10:9

95:95 Draw

[scartissue]

I can't recall why I missed this fight back in the day - must've been working - but although I have seen clips and read about it, I never took pen to paper until now to watch and score this fight. Suffice to say, I do see the controversy.

Round 1: 10-7 Bramble (Carr down twice this round)
Round 2: 10-9 Carr
Round 3: 10-9 Carr
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Carr
Round 6: 10-9 Bramble
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Bramble
Round 9: 10-9 Bramble
Round 10: 10-9 Bramble

Total: 97-93 Bramble

Officially this was a split decision for Carr. But I cannot make a case for Carr in this one. After 5 five rounds he would only fight in spurts - winning the early part of a round and then succumbing to Bramble's body blows and simply hanging on. I love Carr's stylish boxing, but Bramble was robbed.

[Keko]

Cornelius Boza Edwards vs Rafael Limon 145:141 i have.
Really great match and crazy 15 rounds of boxing.

[Keko]

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Manny Pacquaio 117:111
1r Floyd
2r Floyd
3r Floyd
4r Manny
5r Floyd
6r Manny
7r Floyd
8r Manny
9r Floyd
10r Floyd
11r Floyd
12r Floyd

[scartissue]

Here's a bout that no one here has yet tackled. The 1982 Larry Holmes v Gerry Cooney fight. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
Round 2: 10-8 Holmes (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Cooney
Round 4: 10-9 Cooney
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Holmes
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Cooney
Round 9: 9-9 Even (I scored this round for Cooney but he lost a point for a low blow)
Round 10: 10-9 Cooney
Round 11: 10-8 Holmes (Cooney lost an additional point for another low-blow)
Round 12: 10-9 Holmes
Round 13: Holmes stops Cooney late in the round

Total (through 12 completed rounds): 115-112 Holmes

Official scores were something like 113-111 (twice) and 115-109 all for Holmes. I didn't think Cooney did too bad but really started to come apart at the seams over those last couple of rounds. I thought I read somewhere that Cooney lost 3 points for low blows but I only saw 2 penalties where the judges were instructed to deduct. Can anyone clarify this?

[scartissue]

Here's a bout that no one here has yet tackled. The 1982 Larry Holmes v Gerry Cooney fight. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
Round 2: 10-8 Holmes (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Cooney
Round 4: 10-9 Cooney
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Holmes
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Cooney
Round 9: 9-9 Even (I scored this round for Cooney but he lost a point for a low blow)
Round 10: 10-9 Cooney
Round 11: 10-8 Holmes (Cooney lost an additional point for another low-blow)
Round 12: 10-9 Holmes
Round 13: Holmes stops Cooney late in the round

Total (through 12 completed rounds): 115-112 Holmes

Official scores were something like 113-111 (twice) and 115-109 all for Holmes. I didn't think Cooney did too bad but really started to come apart at the seams over those last couple of rounds. I thought I read somewhere that Cooney lost 3 points for low blows but I only saw 2 penalties where the judges were instructed to deduct. Can anyone clarify this?

Did a little more research on this fight and apparently Mills Lane deducted 2 points from Cooney in the 9th round. Don't quite know why but it is what it is. So, even though I had Cooney winning the 9th 10-9, it becomes 9-8 for Holmes and a total through 12 completed rounds of 115-111 for Holmes.

[Ambling Alp II]

I never understood why he deducted two points either. Have never seen a referee do that in any other fight. Your scoring looks prett reasonable. Holmes was clearly winning, but Cooney put in a creditable performance.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cooney won 2 or 3 rounds, on his best day he couldn't beat Holmes now.

[elmersalsa]

That fight looked like a real professional fighting an amateur. A total mismatch. But, I'll give Gerry Cooney respect. He fought until the end and made the fight interesting. He was just fighting a guy in a total different class. The great Larry Holmes was about two notches in class above him.

[Keko]

It was a good fight and Cooney has earned respect but normally Holmes was better. One of the more interesting Holmes title defense

[elmersalsa]

It was a good fight and Cooney has earned respect but normally Holmes was better. One of the more interesting Holmes title defense

It was the greatest performance of the great Larry Holmes' career, Keko.

[Keko]

It was a good fight and Cooney has earned respect but normally Holmes was better. One of the more interesting Holmes title defense

It was the greatest performance of the great Larry Holmes' career, Keko.

Probably as well as fight with Ken Norton was great.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It was a good fight and Cooney has earned respect but normally Holmes was better. One of the more interesting Holmes title defense

It was the greatest performance of the great Larry Holmes' career, Keko.

No it wasn't.

[elmersalsa]

It was a good fight and Cooney has earned respect but normally Holmes was better. One of the more interesting Holmes title defense

It was the greatest performance of the great Larry Holmes' career, Keko.

No it wasn't.

In my view, it was.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Watch the first shavers fight.

[scartissue]

Here's a great fight for all. The Felix Trinidad - Fernando Vargas jr. middleweight fight. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-7 Trinidad (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 2: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-7 Vargas (scores a knockdown and 1 point deducted from Trinidad for a low-blow)
Round 5: 10-9 Vargas
Round 6: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 7: 9-9 Even (scored for Trinidad but penalized another point for a low-blow)
Round 8: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 9: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 10: 10-8 Trinidad (Vargas penalized 1 point for a low-blow)
Round 11: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 12: Trinidad stops Vargas

Total through 11 completed rounds: 105-99 Trinidad

My scorecard was pretty much in line with the other judges and Harold's card. I scored the 3rd round even whereas 2 judges gave it to Trinidad and one to Vargas. The only issue we had where I am in the minority was the 11th that I gave to Trinidad and they all gave to Vargas. So I watched the 11th a second time and I still felt Trinidad took that round, albeit closely. Anyways, that's my score.

[Seamus]

And I just watched a couple Trinidad fights.

Felix Trinidad vs Hector Camacho

R1.10-9 HC
R2.10-9 HC
R3.10-9 FT
R4.10-9 HC
R5.10-8 HC (1 pt taken from Trinidad for holding and hitting)
R6.10-9 FT
R7.10-9 FT
R8.10-9 FT
R9.10-9 FT
R10.10-8 FT (1 pt taken from Camacho for holding)
R11.10-9 FT
R12.10-10

Felix Trinidad 115-112

I scored it much closer than the judges because I though Trinidad was too cautious for 4 of the first 5 rds. Camacho didn't dominate but just did enough to win them making this fight alot closer in my opinion. In the second half, Trinidad got busy with his hands and it took it's toll on Camacho.

Felix Trinidad vs Pernell Whitaker

R1.10-9 PW
R2.10-8 FT (Whitaker down from a straight right)
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 FT
R5.10-9 FT
R6.10-9 FT
R7.10-9 PW
R8.10-9 FT
R9.10-9 FT
R10.10-9 FT
R11.10-9 FT
R12.10-9 FT

Felix Trinidad 118-110

This was a very entertaining fight with Whitaker coming out unusually aggressive, but just as in the Camacho bout, Trinidad's heavier punches wore Sweet Pea down in the second half.

[Seamus]

Shane Mosley vs Oscar De La Hoya II

R1.10-10 Even
R2.10-9 OD
R3.10-10 Even
R4.10-9 OD
R5.10-9 SM
R6.10-9 OD
R7.10-9 OD
R8.10-10 Even
R9.10-10 Even
R10.10-9 OD
R11.10-9 SM
R12.10-9 SM

Oscar De La Hoya 117-115

Some very close rounds in a fight I thought Shane Mosley could have won, but blew it on my scorecard at least by not throwing enough punches till it seemed too late. Mosley hit harder and took De La Hoya's punches better, but he just didn't let his hands go in enough rounds. Interesting comparison in scoring. I called 4 rds Even, Harold Lederman called none Even, but we both had Oscar winning by 2 pts.

[Seamus]

Felix Trinidad vs Anthony Stephens

R1.10-9 FT
R2.10-9 FT
R3.10-8 AS ( Trinidad down, but not called, from left jab followed by a straight right)
R4.10-9 FT
R5.10-9 FT
R6.10-9 FT
R7.10-9 FT
R8.10-9 FT
R9.10-10 Even

Fight stopped at the end of 10th after Stephens goes down from a flurry of punches. 88-83 Felix Trinidad at the time.
Trinidad looked a little vulnerable to right hands at times, but his body work really wore down a game opponent.

Ike Quartey vs Jose Luis Lopez

R1.10-9 IQ
R2.10-9 JLL (Quartey's gloves touched in a rd he was otherwise winning so I scored it 10-9)
R3.10-9 IQ
R4.10-9 IQ
R5.10-9 IQ
R6.10-9 IQ
R7.10-9 JLL
R8.10-10 Even
R9.10-9 JLL
R10.10-9 IQ
R11.10-8 JLL (Quartey down from a left-right-left to the head)
R12.10-9 JLL

114-114 Draw

Lopez like Oscar De La Hoya in the next fight, would often neglect his otherwise strong jab for no other apparent reason than Quartey's was better, which made him in easy target in the first half of the fight and ended up costing him the victory.