Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?

[Tuan_Jim]

Done to death this subject. Bowe didn't fight Lewis in his first defence because it didn't make sense. Lewis understands this. He ditched his WBA belt so he could fight the inept Michael Grant rather than John Ruiz. He deferred his dangerous mandatory, David Tua, twice, so he could make a couple of easy defences vs Grant and Botha. Sound familiar? He also ditched his IBF belt rather than fight Chris Byrd.

- And apparently you'll be dumb to death at your current level Jimbo.

Lewis took step aside millions from King so the Ring Unranked could engage Field in a pathetic trilogy. He fought Ring 8th ranked undefeated Grant to net triple what he would've gotten against Ruiz.

Later he took more millions step aside by King to give up the IBF so Field could continue to be passed around to Byrd. That was the last year field was ring ranked. Lewis fought Vitali instead to satisfy 3 judgements he won against Lewis. Lewis was poised to make his biggest ever purse for the rematch and retired.

It's always telling to see who could ever attempt to defend a 2 bit dummy and his thug manager Newman against two of the more honorable and talented champs Lewis and Vitali. Imagine had they and Wlad turned pro with Eddie futch tuoring them like Big Dummy had, they'd all be unbeaten and all you sweeties in tears.

It's always telling when a man feels compelled to use homosexual allusions in his writings, which you do continuously.

Well done for making my point for me. Bowe vacating belt needs to be considered together with all the factors that relate to it. Lewis vacating belts needs to be considered together with all the factors that relate to it. I'd pat you on the head, but fear you might get too much of a thrill out of male contact.

Vitali, the proven steroid cheat, "honorable". Okay.

[Tuan_Jim]

No wonder Keith, Boxrec's village idiot, sees 'sense' in your unlogic. Keith is a man who pursues brain damaged heavyweights into online chatrooms and calls them duckers don't you know? It's the equivalent of a hick poking a caged bear with a stick.

You have such lovely manners don't you. From your very first post under this username, you attacked me, yet you don't have the guts to post your previous username. What is your problem?

I'll make this easy for you, lets spar a few rounds in a real gym, I'm ready, are you?

You are a paranoiac wreck. And with this post you've managed to reduce Boxrec to the level of YouTube comments.

A new low.

[keithmoonhangover]

No wonder Keith, Boxrec's village idiot, sees 'sense' in your unlogic. Keith is a man who pursues brain damaged heavyweights into online chatrooms and calls them duckers don't you know? It's the equivalent of a hick poking a caged bear with a stick.

You have such lovely manners don't you. From your very first post under this username, you attacked me, yet you don't have the guts to post your previous username. What is your problem?

I'll make this easy for you, lets spar a few rounds in a real gym, I'm ready, are you?

You are a paranoiac wreck. And with this post you've managed to reduce Boxrec to the level of YouTube comments.

A new low.

Look at your comment at the top and tell me who's at YouTube level. You. You're a spineless keyboard warrior, who thinks he's superior because he's read a book or two. Well, I know where the library is and I also know where the gyms are. Join me for some sparring, I'm not very good at it, you'll probably beat me up.

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What is so difficult for Bowe fanboys and Lewis haters to understand?

In OCTOBER 92 Lewis KO's Ruddock to become # 1 contender for Bowe's W.B.C. belt. The gutless Bowe dumped the belt in the dustbin rather than face Lennox, preferring instead to take on the 30lbs lighter Holyfield, followed by Michael Dokes, and for his pains he was stripped of the W.B.C. strap in DECEMBER 92.

Whilst Bowe went on to fight said Dokes, Ferguson, Holyfield ( L ) Mathis, Lewis fought Tucker, Bruno, Jackson and McCall, within the same time span. Where is the big deal?

Bowe, plainly ducked Lewis in late 92, early 93, simple as that.

It's not quite like that.

Lewis knocks out Ruddock (whom Bowe could have fought, but he went the WBA route & fought Coetzer instead ) to become number one contender for Evander Holyfield's WBC strap.

A few weeks later, Bowe decisions Holyfield & takes the belts.

We all thought the big blockbuster bout between the '88 Olympics super heavyweight rivals would happen after that, but Rock Newman felt the fight needed building( ) & wanted to pad his bank balance (and Bowe's too) by having Riddick knock over a few stiffs & fight the supposed less dangerous Holyfield for more money, before embarking on a superfight against Lewis.

After Bowe dumped the WBC belt, the WBC awarded it to Lewis for his devastation of Ruddock.

Sorry to disagree with you Syntax ( and before any Bowe fanboys jump on the bandwagon ) the following is from BOWE'S WIKIPEDIA page ( nothing to do with Lewis, or his fans.

In November 1992 he fought reigning champ Evander Holyfield for the undisputed heavyweight title. With his heart and dedication still in question, Bowe won a unanimous decision in an entertaining fight, flooring Holyfield in the 11th round. However, it was the tenth round most boxing fans will remember. The epic brutal back and forth exchanges helped make it Ring Magazine's "Round of the Year." Commentator Al Bernstein exclaimed, "That was one of the greatest rounds in heavyweight history. Period!"

A couple of weeks earlier in London, Bowe's old Olympic rival, Lennox Lewis, knocked out Canadian Donovan "Razor" Ruddock in two rounds, establishing himself as the World Boxing Council's number one contender. The Bowe-Holyfield and Lewis-Ruddock fights were part of a mini-tournament, whereby all four fighters agreed the two winners would meet each other for the undisputed world heavyweight championship. Bowe's manager Rock Newman made a proposal: the $32 million purse HBO was offering should be split 90-10 in Bowe's favor, an 'absurd' offer which Lennox Lewis rejected. Lewis's manager, Frank Maloney, rejected another offer of two million for Lewis to fight on a Bowe undercard, citing his distrust of the Bowe camp after the aforementioned financial negotiations. Bowe responded by holding a press conference in which he dumped the WBC world heavyweight championship belt into a trash can rather than fighting Lewis

It doesn't matter how anyone tries to dress it up, that is " ducking " plain and simple.

Spot on.

I'm far from a Bowe fan boy; in fact, I can't stand him & I know he ducked Lewis; it's plain as day.

Folk might want to muddy the waters & claim that Lewis ducked him later on etc, but that's irrelevant.

Team Bowe didn't want the fight when it was hot & it is on record.

[keithmoonhangover]

What is so difficult for Bowe fanboys and Lewis haters to understand?

In OCTOBER 92 Lewis KO's Ruddock to become # 1 contender for Bowe's W.B.C. belt. The gutless Bowe dumped the belt in the dustbin rather than face Lennox, preferring instead to take on the 30lbs lighter Holyfield, followed by Michael Dokes, and for his pains he was stripped of the W.B.C. strap in DECEMBER 92.

Whilst Bowe went on to fight said Dokes, Ferguson, Holyfield ( L ) Mathis, Lewis fought Tucker, Bruno, Jackson and McCall, within the same time span. Where is the big deal?

Bowe, plainly ducked Lewis in late 92, early 93, simple as that.

It's not quite like that.

Lewis knocks out Ruddock (whom Bowe could have fought, but he went the WBA route & fought Coetzer instead ) to become number one contender for Evander Holyfield's WBC strap.

A few weeks later, Bowe decisions Holyfield & takes the belts.

We all thought the big blockbuster bout between the '88 Olympics super heavyweight rivals would happen after that, but Rock Newman felt the fight needed building( ) & wanted to pad his bank balance (and Bowe's too) by having Riddick knock over a few stiffs & fight the supposed less dangerous Holyfield for more money, before embarking on a superfight against Lewis.

After Bowe dumped the WBC belt, the WBC awarded it to Lewis for his devastation of Ruddock.

Sorry to disagree with you Syntax ( and before any Bowe fanboys jump on the bandwagon ) the following is from BOWE'S WIKIPEDIA page ( nothing to do with Lewis, or his fans.

In November 1992 he fought reigning champ Evander Holyfield for the undisputed heavyweight title. With his heart and dedication still in question, Bowe won a unanimous decision in an entertaining fight, flooring Holyfield in the 11th round. However, it was the tenth round most boxing fans will remember. The epic brutal back and forth exchanges helped make it Ring Magazine's "Round of the Year." Commentator Al Bernstein exclaimed, "That was one of the greatest rounds in heavyweight history. Period!"

A couple of weeks earlier in London, Bowe's old Olympic rival, Lennox Lewis, knocked out Canadian Donovan "Razor" Ruddock in two rounds, establishing himself as the World Boxing Council's number one contender. The Bowe-Holyfield and Lewis-Ruddock fights were part of a mini-tournament, whereby all four fighters agreed the two winners would meet each other for the undisputed world heavyweight championship. Bowe's manager Rock Newman made a proposal: the $32 million purse HBO was offering should be split 90-10 in Bowe's favor, an 'absurd' offer which Lennox Lewis rejected. Lewis's manager, Frank Maloney, rejected another offer of two million for Lewis to fight on a Bowe undercard, citing his distrust of the Bowe camp after the aforementioned financial negotiations. Bowe responded by holding a press conference in which he dumped the WBC world heavyweight championship belt into a trash can rather than fighting Lewis

It doesn't matter how anyone tries to dress it up, that is " ducking " plain and simple.

Agreed 100%. But some will refuse to accept that he ducked Lewis.

[Kalan]

Done to death this subject. Bowe didn't fight Lewis in his first defence because it didn't make sense. Lewis understands this. He ditched his WBA belt so he could fight the inept Michael Grant rather than John Ruiz. He deferred his dangerous mandatory, David Tua, twice, so he could make a couple of easy defences vs Grant and Botha. Sound familiar? He also ditched his IBF belt rather than fight Chris Byrd.

It's a long forgotten fact that in 94 Lewis and Bowe signed to fight each other. Sadly Lewis got himself blasted by McCall. He was offered Bowe again in 96 but turned it down in favour of a low paid engagement with Ray Mercer.

Ruiz was much more inept than Michael Grant... Grant stopped the plodding punch bag Golota and Ruiz barely beat the foulster...

Ruiz more inept than Grant? How did they both do with Jameel McCline?

Grant suffered a freak broken ankle against McCline... It's like asking how a running back performed in a game where he blew out his knee on his 1st carry... Grant was an undefeated # 1 contender when he faced Lewis.. That didn't make him a good Heavyweight. He was slow and clumsy, but he was better than John Ruiz.. The Golota comparison is better because no injuries were suffered by anyone.. Ruiz, Golota, and Grant were all big, slow, clumsy, unskilled, and pretty dumb.. But Grant was bigger, taller, and stronger. He had remarkable height, reach, and decent power.. Unless I'm mistaken, Ruiz is the only Heavyweight Champion in history who lost to 2 Middleweight Champions.. HIs defense was pathetic...even worse than Grant's.

[Tuan_Jim]

Ruiz was much more inept than Michael Grant... Grant stopped the plodding punch bag Golota and Ruiz barely beat the foulster...

Ruiz more inept than Grant? How did they both do with Jameel McCline?

Grant suffered a freak broken ankle against McCline... It's like asking how a running back performed in a game where he blew out his knee on his 1st carry... Grant was an undefeated # 1 contender when he faced Lewis.. That didn't make him a good Heavyweight. He was slow and clumsy, but he was better than John Ruiz.. The Golota comparison is better because no injuries were suffered by anyone.. Ruiz, Golota, and Grant were all big, slow, clumsy, unskilled, and pretty dumb.. But Grant was bigger, taller, and stronger. He had remarkable height, reach, and decent power.. Unless I'm mistaken, Ruiz is the only Heavyweight Champion in history who lost to 2 Middleweight Champions.. HIs defense was pathetic...even worse than Grant's.

He broke his ankle hitting the floor after McCline hit him on the chin.

[Boxing Writer]

Ruiz more inept than Grant? How did they both do with Jameel McCline?

Grant suffered a freak broken ankle against McCline... It's like asking how a running back performed in a game where he blew out his knee on his 1st carry... Grant was an undefeated # 1 contender when he faced Lewis.. That didn't make him a good Heavyweight. He was slow and clumsy, but he was better than John Ruiz.. The Golota comparison is better because no injuries were suffered by anyone.. Ruiz, Golota, and Grant were all big, slow, clumsy, unskilled, and pretty dumb.. But Grant was bigger, taller, and stronger. He had remarkable height, reach, and decent power.. Unless I'm mistaken, Ruiz is the only Heavyweight Champion in history who lost to 2 Middleweight Champions.. HIs defense was pathetic...even worse than Grant's.

He broke his ankle hitting the floor after McCline hit him on the chin.

...about 2 seconds in the fight. And the punch that McCline landed was far from perfect. It was mostly an arm punch with only lower part of his glowe hitting Grant's chin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49VYGaPDwc

Plus Grant went full 10 rounds against Ray Anis and was unable to even knock him down. The same Anis whom Ruiz brutally demolished in 7 (seven!!!) seconds - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AybdTFUHCI

[Kalan]

I liked them both. But the best thing that every happened to Lennox's career was not having to face Bowe in their mutual Primes.

And anyone who is not too lazy to dig into some facts, would see that Lennox and I agree on that. Lennox was very happy for that fight NOT to happen.

Lucky for him it didn't. And you are a much happier person as a result. That very likely loss on Lewis's record would've put you in rather bad mood it seems.

I'm waiting for you to have a lucid moment BuzzBox... It's a long time in coming... Lewis doesn't agree with you because he wanted to slaughter Bowe and said so ... He was very UNHAPPY that Bowe chickened out of his mandatory challenge, throwing his Title Belt in the trash rather than face Lewis -- because Lewis knew he would knock Bowe out cold... Holyfield out-boxed Bowe when he fought a smart fight and used his skills.. And when he traded punches with Bowe he knocked Bowe down -- but Evander was more at risk with that type of fight because Bowe was a crude brawler, and much bigger and stronger---while Evander was the better boxer... Holyfield fought out of a shell with Lewis because Lewis was a much more dangerous puncher than Bowe... Holyfield gave away practically every round in both fights, hoping the judges would hand him the fights for doing nothing.. In all his fights with Lewis and Bowe, Holyfield could only manage to beat Bowe..

But their respective fights with Golota are much more pertinent and relevant... Because Golota was a big, dumb, crude brawler who beat up Bowe, but was knocked out very quickly by Lewis.. Lewis wanted to prove a point -- that big, dumb, punching bags like Golota and Bowe only go 1 round with him.