Why wasn't RJJ disqualified?

[APerno]

Why wasn't RJJ disqualified?

NAC 467.675 The following acts constitute fouls in boxing:

10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i_Z5MR61WE

[Kalan]

Why wasn't RJJ disqualified?

NAC 467.675 The following acts constitute fouls in boxing:

10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i_Z5MR61WE

It wasn't deliberate... and the punch landed on the side more than the back... a legit KO shot.. In fact, I've never heard of any protest to the commission or anybody else who said Jones should have been DQ'd... It's like accidentally landing a punch behind the ear when somebody is ducking the shot... If it takes your opponent out it's his problem ... and your KO win... However, an ignorant referee did rob Sergei Kovalev of a KO win when his opponent did the same thing Hill did...point to an illegal area of his body (in this case the back of his head) to claim the punch was a foul... Hill rolled over and pointed to his back, but the referee was hearing none of it... He saw it was a legit KO punch.

Amir Khan should have been DQ'd for deliberately hitting Zab Judah low -- while he was deliberately holding Zab's head down with his left forearm... Why don't you put that "KO" up, because Khan should have lost that fight by disqualification... That's 2 fouls. The low blow and holding and hitting.

[BoxBuzz]

About as legit a KO as your ever gonna find.

[APerno]

Could not agree less. That punch landed exactly where the rule says it shouldn't, and it was deliberate.

See drawings:

http://www.perno.com/art/kidney.html

[Kalan]

You're wrong APerno... The rule states foul blows are to the back, not the side... The side is a legitimate target.

Did Hill or his team protest the punch to the commission??? ... If there was any concern that the referee ruled inappropriately they certainly would have.

[APerno]

You're wrong APerno... The rule states foul blows are to the back, not the side... The side is a legitimate target.

Did Hill or his team protest the punch to the commission??? ... If there was any concern that the referee ruled inappropriately they certainly would have.

No - where he hit him is where your kidney is - look at the pics I posted - Why the over reaction by Hill otherwise? Are you saying Hill went pussy on us and was performing for the ref? - I doubt that. - Neither of us knows whether or not Hill registered a protest. - The truth of all this is very simple and can be expressed in two words: 'house corner' - can't blame them though they had a long term contract with the guy and besides it worked, they got you all believing it was OK so why not cheat Hill and protect their guy.

[BoxBuzz]

......no foul....close enough to the fair zone that if you can't go on, you are out.

Same as with the jewels....at the best, I suppose the Ref could have given him time to recover...but that's about as far as it could or even should go.

And that would have been a very controversial call, just to avoid the inevitable.


Bottom line....protect yourself at all times.


that was NOT a full kidney longitude/lattitude which would be a bit further to the rear..... I think your call is a bit off course in this case.

[gilgamesh]

Not a foul. That's why he wasn't disqualified.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Could not agree less. That punch landed exactly where the rule says it shouldn't, and it was deliberate.

See drawings:

http://www.perno.com/art/kidney.html

- Your drawings and understanding of physiology incomplete.

The bottom of the rib cage protect the kidneys from the side. Docs said broken rib and sent him to the hospital. Those are fragile "floating" ribs there and can slap or poke a kidney with a good punch.

No controversy then or now, just your poor drawings. TUE would be trapped in the corner and turn his back to the opponents' weakest arm but none took his bait of drawing that foul. Ali started his ko sequence of Foreman with a blatant rabbit and Big Dummy finished Field with the same if you want legit fouls to complain among the 1000s in history.

[APerno]

Could not agree less. That punch landed exactly where the rule says it shouldn't, and it was deliberate.

See drawings:

http://www.perno.com/art/kidney.html

- Your drawings and understanding of physiology incomplete.

The bottom of the rib cage protect the kidneys from the side. Docs said broken rib and sent him to the hospital. Those are fragile "floating" ribs there and can slap or poke a kidney with a good punch.

No controversy then or now, just your poor drawings. TUE would be trapped in the corner and turn his back to the opponents' weakest arm but none took his bait of drawing that foul. Ali started his ko sequence of Foreman with a blatant rabbit and Big Dummy finished Field with the same if you want legit fouls to complain among the 1000s in history.

"Your drawings and understanding of physiology incomplete." - and yours is what?

"No controversy then or now, just your poor drawings. " - They are not my drawings; nothing poor about them, they are anatomically correct; of course you would not have heard of a controversy, what you know is what HBO tells you to know; I repeat HBO/house corner/Vegas/ long term relationship - Hill got jobbed and you are partly the cause, because you buy HBO's bullshit. Had the punch been thrown the other way around Hill would have been DQ - listen to the announcer panic after the KO, stating over and over that it was a legal blow trying to get his buddy to start slinging the same BS along with him - they knew what they saw and needed to start the back-spin so people like you could feel good about the dirty punch Jones threw, and look, they got you; you bought it.

On the other hand- the broken rib argument is interesting, that could have caused that level of pain had it poked a kidney; that it is a possibility. -

[Ambling Alp II]

I have always thought that the punch probably was illegal as well. One thing that I have always noticed is that most people have little interest in something was illegal or not.
Look at the Hearns' first knockdown of Leonard in their second fight. It was clearly illegal and most people don't ever want to discuss it.
Joe Louis hit Schmeling with several kidney punches in their second bout. Again, few people are interested.
Hamed literally bodyslammed Soto and didn't get disqualified. Hardly ever mentioned.

With Jones, though I don't think it intentional. Also don't think he should have been disqualified. I could see him deducted a point but I wouldn't disqualify him for it.

[BoxBuzz]

Could not agree less. That punch landed exactly where the rule says it shouldn't, and it was deliberate.

See drawings:

http://www.perno.com/art/kidney.html

Freeze your own clip at exactly 1.02, then come back and tell everyone it was a punch to the back, as opposed to the side of Hill's body.

" A legitimate punch must land with the knuckle part of the glove to the front or side/s of the head or body. "

That punch definitely DOESN'T land on Virgil's back.

Troo Dat!

[APerno]

I am so glad we all came to the same conclusion, that I am correct. - I love boxing; people in boxing love me. People have to told me I am the greatest boxing fan ever. No one knows more about boxing than me; no one can view a fight better than me. I know more about boxing than the trainers. Some people on this board are corrupt and should be locked-up and I am personally going to see to that. HBO is corrupt; women shouldn't be in boxing, it's nasty! I have really large hands like a boxer. Boxing is fixed; the fights are rigged. The problem is the Mexicans, it's a fact.

[BoxBuzz]

I am so glad we all came to the same conclusion, that I am correct. - I love boxing; people in boxing love me. People have to told me I am the greatest boxing fan ever. No one knows more about boxing than me; no one can view a fight better than me. I know more about boxing than the trainers. Some people on this board are corrupt and should be locked-up and I am personally going to see to that. HBO is corrupt; women shouldn't be in boxing, it's nasty! I have really large hands like a boxer. Boxing is fixed; the fights are rigged. The problem is the Mexicans, it's a fact.

Genuinely appreciate your thoughts....

(Building a wall, making you pay for it.)