Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

Where should Kell Brook fight?

Poll ended at 06 Nov 2016, 18:25

147
16
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154
22
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Total votes: 38

Ruthless-RKO
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Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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IBF welterweight champion Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KOs) says he’s now thinking that he’ll remain in the 147lb division rather than moving up to 154 to campaign in the junior middleweight division. According to Brook, his weight is under control, and believes he can get back down to 147. He’s hoping that by staying at 147, he can face the likes of Amir Khan, Manny Pacquiao or Danny Garcia. The fights against Pacquiao and Garcia could be unification matches.

Gilfoid isn’t surprised at all that Brook isn’t moving up to the 154lb division, because there are too many beasts in that division that would likely wreck him in the same way that IBF/IBO/WBA/WBC middleweight champion Gennady “GGG” Golovkin (36-0, 33 KOs) did in their fight on September 10 two months ago at the O2 Arena in London, UK.

That was the fight in which Brook suffered a broken right eye socket. Brook has since had eye surgery to fix the problem, and he’s expected to return to the ring in the spring of 2017. Brook won’t come back until his eye is fully healed from the surgery he had on it.

Bad news for Brook is the 60-day medical extension he receive recently to put off his mandatory defense against #1 contender Errol Spence Jr. (21-0, 18 KOs) runs out on February 24. If Brook isn’t ready to fight Spence at that time, he’ll be stripped of his International Boxing Federation strap. That’s obviously not a good thing, but at least Brook would be avoiding an almost certain knockout loss to the talented American.
Brook said this to ESPN.com about his ideas on staying in the welterweight division:
“Once you have become world champion, you really need special fights to keep you motivated in training,” Brook said. “A world title unification fight would do that. My weight has settled down so I could still make welterweight. I’ve got Spence on the horizon and there’s the likes of [Danny] Garcia and Amir Khan as well, but I don’t know yet. The eye socket is healing well but I still have some stitches in my mouth.”
The IBF isn’t going to let Brook take a unification fight next. They’re not going to just let a talent like Spence be put on ignore while Brook scratches up this or that fight. He already dodged other welterweights byt choosing to move up to the middleweight division to take on Golovkin. That didn’t work out too well for Brook other than the nice payday he received.

Brook will now need to defend his IBF 147lb title or risk getting stripped of his strap. Brook can’t just skip past guys like Spence. If this were the NFL, Brook wouldn’t be able to avoid other teams on schedule without forfeiting those fights. I think it’s the same thing with title defense against Spence. If he doesn’t take that fight, then I see him getting stripped of his IBF strap, as well he should.

I never thought it was a good idea for Brook to move up to the junior middleweight division. Those guys are basically middleweights. The top fighters at 154 – Demetrius Andrade, Erislandy Lara, Jermall Charlo, Julian Williams and Jermell Charlo – are all the same weight as Golovkin. They’re taller than Golovkin as well, and have pretty good punching power. Brook would be just as much out of his class against those guys as he would against Golovkin. Brook might be heavy enough to fight in the 154lb division, but he’s not as big or as powerful as the best fighters in the division. I think Brook could potentially beat some of the 154lb fighters like Liam Smith, but I don’t think he could hang against the good fighters in the division. I don’t think Liam Smith is a good fighter. However, even a limited guy like Smith would be a huge headache for Brook.

I won’t be surprised at all if Brook’s promoter Eddie Hearn makes a deal to allow him to steer around Errol Spence Jr. instead of facing him. I doubt that Hearn wants to match Brook against a talented guy like Spence in his next fight. I see Hearn steering Brook around Spence in the same way we’re seeing WBC cruiserweight champion Tony Bellew steered around his own #1 WBC mandatory challenger in Mairis Briedis. Bellew was supposed to fight Briedis in his first defense of his title. Instead, he fights #14 WBC fringe contender BJ Flores.
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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He should go back to welterweight.
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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Ruthless-RKO wrote:IBF welterweight champion Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KOs) says he’s now thinking that he’ll remain in the 147lb division rather than moving up to 154 to campaign in the junior middleweight division. According to Brook, his weight is under control, and believes he can get back down to 147. He’s hoping that by staying at 147, he can face the likes of Amir Khan, Manny Pacquiao or Danny Garcia. The fights against Pacquiao and Garcia could be unification matches.

Gilfoid isn’t surprised at all that Brook isn’t moving up to the 154lb division, because there are too many beasts in that division that would likely wreck him in the same way that IBF/IBO/WBA/WBC middleweight champion Gennady “GGG” Golovkin (36-0, 33 KOs) did in their fight on September 10 two months ago at the O2 Arena in London, UK.

That was the fight in which Brook suffered a broken right eye socket. Brook has since had eye surgery to fix the problem, and he’s expected to return to the ring in the spring of 2017. Brook won’t come back until his eye is fully healed from the surgery he had on it.

Bad news for Brook is the 60-day medical extension he receive recently to put off his mandatory defense against #1 contender Errol Spence Jr. (21-0, 18 KOs) runs out on February 24. If Brook isn’t ready to fight Spence at that time, he’ll be stripped of his International Boxing Federation strap. That’s obviously not a good thing, but at least Brook would be avoiding an almost certain knockout loss to the talented American.
Brook said this to ESPN.com about his ideas on staying in the welterweight division:
“Once you have become world champion, you really need special fights to keep you motivated in training,” Brook said. “A world title unification fight would do that. My weight has settled down so I could still make welterweight. I’ve got Spence on the horizon and there’s the likes of [Danny] Garcia and Amir Khan as well, but I don’t know yet. The eye socket is healing well but I still have some stitches in my mouth.”
The IBF isn’t going to let Brook take a unification fight next. They’re not going to just let a talent like Spence be put on ignore while Brook scratches up this or that fight. He already dodged other welterweights byt choosing to move up to the middleweight division to take on Golovkin. That didn’t work out too well for Brook other than the nice payday he received.

Brook will now need to defend his IBF 147lb title or risk getting stripped of his strap. Brook can’t just skip past guys like Spence. If this were the NFL, Brook wouldn’t be able to avoid other teams on schedule without forfeiting those fights. I think it’s the same thing with title defense against Spence. If he doesn’t take that fight, then I see him getting stripped of his IBF strap, as well he should.

I never thought it was a good idea for Brook to move up to the junior middleweight division. Those guys are basically middleweights. The top fighters at 154 – Demetrius Andrade, Erislandy Lara, Jermall Charlo, Julian Williams and Jermell Charlo – are all the same weight as Golovkin. They’re taller than Golovkin as well, and have pretty good punching power. Brook would be just as much out of his class against those guys as he would against Golovkin. Brook might be heavy enough to fight in the 154lb division, but he’s not as big or as powerful as the best fighters in the division. I think Brook could potentially beat some of the 154lb fighters like Liam Smith, but I don’t think he could hang against the good fighters in the division. I don’t think Liam Smith is a good fighter. However, even a limited guy like Smith would be a huge headache for Brook.

I won’t be surprised at all if Brook’s promoter Eddie Hearn makes a deal to allow him to steer around Errol Spence Jr. instead of facing him. I doubt that Hearn wants to match Brook against a talented guy like Spence in his next fight. I see Hearn steering Brook around Spence in the same way we’re seeing WBC cruiserweight champion Tony Bellew steered around his own #1 WBC mandatory challenger in Mairis Briedis. Bellew was supposed to fight Briedis in his first defense of his title. Instead, he fights #14 WBC fringe contender BJ Flores.
scott gilfoid is to boxing journalism as to jimmy saville is to child protection. gilfoid is an asshole :lol:
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Ruthless-RKO wrote:Bellew was supposed to fight Briedis in his first defense of his title. Instead, he fights #14 WBC fringe contender BJ Flores.
If he was supposed to fight Briedis then why was he allowed not to?

There are too many weiners whining about Briedis.

Leave Bellew alone.
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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Horse wrote:
Ruthless-RKO wrote:Bellew was supposed to fight Briedis in his first defense of his title. Instead, he fights #14 WBC fringe contender BJ Flores.
If he was supposed to fight Briedis then why was he allowed not to?

There are too many weiners whining about Briedis.

Leave Bellew alone.
Eddie Hearn can pull strings.. I don't know, I didn't write this..
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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Horse wrote:He should go back to welterweight.
He walks around at 12 Stone 10lbs?
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Ruthless-RKO wrote:He already dodged other welterweights byt choosing to move up to the middleweight division to take on Golovkin.
:o

I think that when a boxer decides to lace up gloves against the most destructive puncher in modern day boxing, he cannot be accused of avoiding anyone.....
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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Crease wrote: :o

I think that when a boxer decides to lace up gloves against the most destructive puncher in modern day boxing, he cannot be accused of avoiding anyone.....
He can and should be.
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Good
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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blanca wrote:scott gilfoid is to boxing journalism as to jimmy saville is to child protection. gilfoid is an asshole :lol:
Very true. I dont see how anyone would want to repost his drivel.
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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Sounds like brook doesn't want any part of Spence jnr.
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Crease wrote:
Ruthless-RKO wrote:He already dodged other welterweights byt choosing to move up to the middleweight division to take on Golovkin.
:o

I think that when a boxer decides to lace up gloves against the most destructive puncher in modern day boxing, he cannot be accused of avoiding anyone.....
Of course he can be.

Moving up two divisions to fight a guy that was always going to beat him, for a massive purse is very different. He knew full well he would lose as expected but it would not dent his stature one little bit. Still got a welterweight strap, does nothing to damage his reputation generally. Taking on a welterweight and getting a hiding, now that does hurt the reputation. legacy and how he would be considered as a fighter.
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Spence will knock him out if he makes 147 now.

He looked in good shape for GGG it wouldn't be safe to make 147.
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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The board shouldn't let him after everything him and his camp said trying to justify the GGG fight.
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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There are lots of interesting options at either weight.

I think the biggest factor is where he is comfortable weight wise (not that that will play a bigger factor that where the bigger paydays are, right enough)
but that's a decision he needs to make. He looks big for 147 and he looked comfortable at 160lbs and only lost because he was fighting a legitimately scary monster of a man.

I'd go for 154lbs personally, looking at him. But him and his team know his body better

I won't complain if he goes to 147 and fights Spence, then Khan, then Thurman, then Pacquiao though..... :roll:
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the cynic in me thinks if he does 147 and does badly it gives him an excuse for it
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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With the PBC log jam looking a thing of the past it makes total sense for kell to fight down at 147 again, going straight in with Khan would be ideal though the IBF might have something to say about that..

Regardless, he wants big fights and with canelo moving up the 159 or 158 n a half ( lol) the big fights for him now are at 147. The winner of Garcia thurman , pacquiao, mayweather on his return will also bring attention and money back to the weight.

Is he going to be the same fighter after ggg ? Is he really special?? Nothing on his record suggests he is, porter being beat again did not help that .

The Khan fight is big money, does it need a belt? I don't think so..
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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I'd be shell shocked if he was able to make WW again.
I see a comeback fight followed by either a Charlo or Smith fight probably on a PPV special on AJ's big stadium undercard in the summer.
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tobyh5 wrote:
Crease wrote:
Ruthless-RKO wrote:He already dodged other welterweights byt choosing to move up to the middleweight division to take on Golovkin.
:o

I think that when a boxer decides to lace up gloves against the most destructive puncher in modern day boxing, he cannot be accused of avoiding anyone.....
Of course he can be.

Moving up two divisions to fight a guy that was always going to beat him, for a massive purse is very different. He knew full well he would lose as expected but it would not dent his stature one little bit. Still got a welterweight strap, does nothing to damage his reputation generally. Taking on a welterweight and getting a hiding, now that does hurt the reputation. legacy and how he would be considered as a fighter.
I agree with this

Going up the weights fighting a guy you knew you would lose to and bailing out before you get truly worked over doesn't mean you didn't duck your WW contenders.

I don't blame him, it's life changing money but just like with Khan you are not fooling me with bravery talk
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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Let's see if he fights Spence

IBF are pretty good when they have decent mandatories. We know if he doesn't fight he getting stripped.
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Brook v Khan at 147 would still be a huge event in the UK, biggest purse for both.
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Bigger and better fights at 147 but how much will it take away from him getting back down to the limit? Probably safer campaigning at 154 where there are still some good names.
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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lefty wrote:Sounds like brook doesn't want any part of Spence jnr.
Spence could have boxed Brook in the summer but his team said he wasn't ready.
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BigDoofus wrote:
lefty wrote:Sounds like brook doesn't want any part of Spence jnr.
Spence could have boxed Brook in the summer but his team said he wasn't ready.
You're just regurgitating a line that Hearn spewed.
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Re: Kell Brook wants to stay at welterweight!!

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lefty wrote:
BigDoofus wrote:
lefty wrote:Sounds like brook doesn't want any part of Spence jnr.
Spence could have boxed Brook in the summer but his team said he wasn't ready.
You're just regurgitating a line that Hearn spewed.
Hearn claimed Spence's team told him this twice. There was no counter-offer from Haymon.
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