did mike tyson ruin donovan ruddock?

[Bricks]

Ruddock wasn't so much overrated (altho I do think Dokes was overrated and in beating him Ruddock became so!!!!!!)

He had all the talent a HW could ever have , could dance all night in the 1980s, fast hands, unique punches, TOUGH CHIN, Courageous, Stamina, Will to Win POWER!!!! But one fatal flaw in the ring and out of the ring.

No boxing IQ!!!! One of the dumbest guys in the ring as much as he was one of the most intelligent dignified guys out of the ring!!!!!
He neglected that jab he used to duel with Holmes in 1986 on a PAR! Word boy!! Forget a right hand after 1989 when the SMASH took over!!!!

MUrad Muhammad ripping him off......it sapped his will to fight in his prime. He was inactive from 1991-2001 in relative terms!!

[Kalan]

did those 19 rds against mike tyson ruin donovan razor ruddock ?

NOPE... Mike couldn't punch hard enough to stop Donovan... The 1st fight was a BS stoppage... Lennox Lewis's thundering right ruined both Ruddock and Tyson. LL plowed both of them into the canvas... He smashed the clumsy Ruddock out early... But LL took his time with Tyson...smoking him like a fine cigar.

[badkatt]

did those 19 rds against mike tyson ruin donovan razor ruddock ?

NOPE... Mike couldn't punch hard enough to stop Donovan... The 1st fight was a BS stoppage... Lennox Lewis's thundering right ruined both Ruddock and Tyson. LL plowed both of them into the canvas... He smashed the clumsy Ruddock out early... But LL took his time with Tyson...smoking him like a fine cigar.

ya Tyson sure was prime in 2002 all coked up and at 234 lbs ....u sure know your boxing ....oviously your trolling like a child in grade 1 = im already bored by u see ya

[Kalan]

did those 19 rds against mike tyson ruin donovan razor ruddock ?

NOPE... Mike couldn't punch hard enough to stop Donovan... The 1st fight was a BS stoppage... Lennox Lewis's thundering right ruined both Ruddock and Tyson. LL plowed both of them into the canvas... He smashed the clumsy Ruddock out early... But LL took his time with Tyson...smoking him like a fine cigar.

ya Tyson sure was prime in 2002 all coked up and at 234 lbs ....u sure know your boxing ....oviously your trolling like a child in grade 1 = im already bored by u see ya

You're an idiot... Tyson was not all coked up, because cocaine is a PED you brainless hoot owl.. He would have been caught and he was in camp for months, not out partying.. Plus he was only 35 and Lewis was 36.. Tyson could have fought Lewis many years earlier but he was ducking him Dilbert.. He was always going to get knocked out ANYTIME the got ready for Holyfield or Lewis.. It also happened to MIke when he was 23... so why not 30 and 35???

[badkatt]

NOPE... Mike couldn't punch hard enough to stop Donovan... The 1st fight was a BS stoppage... Lennox Lewis's thundering right ruined both Ruddock and Tyson. LL plowed both of them into the canvas... He smashed the clumsy Ruddock out early... But LL took his time with Tyson...smoking him like a fine cigar.

ya Tyson sure was prime in 2002 all coked up and at 234 lbs ....u sure know your boxing ....oviously your trolling like a child in grade 1 = im already bored by u see ya

You're an idiot... Tyson was not all coked up, because cocaine is a PED you brainless hoot owl.. He would have been caught and he was in camp for months, not out partying.. Plus he was only 35 and Lewis was 36.. Tyson could have fought Lewis many years earlier but he was ducking him Dilbert.. He was always going to get knocked out ANYTIME the got ready for Holyfield or Lewis.. It also happened to MIke when he was 23... so why not 30 and 35???

theres a saying it takes an idiot to know an idiot ....so heres a question and its a simple yes or no quesion kalan ....was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis yes ? was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis no ? give me a yes or no answer ......

[Controversial]

the question is did those 19 rds with tyson finish razor ruddock off ? yes or no ?

Yes it did. Even Ruddock admitted in an interview that he was never the same after the Tyson fights.

"the fact of the matter is that Tyson and I finished each other. Lewis fought a shell of us both; he would have never wanted to fight us when we were still fresh. It's true, he got a shell of us, and we weren?t the same after we fought each other. We fought two brutal wars. His eardrum was busted in the second fight and my jaw was broken, and we were just never the same"

I think you will find the Jamaican born " Canadian " Rudduck never had anything positive to say about the London born ( of Jamaican parentage ) " Canadian " Lewis.

I was quoting Ruddock's' comments about him and Tyson ruining each other

[Bricks]

the question is did those 19 rds with tyson finish razor ruddock off ? yes or no ?

Yes it did. Even Ruddock admitted in an interview that he was never the same after the Tyson fights.

"the fact of the matter is that Tyson and I finished each other. Lewis fought a shell of us both; he would have never wanted to fight us when we were still fresh. It's true, he got a shell of us, and we weren?t the same after we fought each other. We fought two brutal wars. His eardrum was busted in the second fight and my jaw was broken, and we were just never the same"

I think you will find the Jamaican born " Canadian " Rudduck never had anything positive to say about the London born ( of Jamaican parentage ) " Canadian " Lewis.

I think you will find they are good friends. In ruddocks recent comeback Lennox appeared with Ruddock at press conferences and tv interviews to support his friend. During the amateurs they were rivals but friendly. Ruddock was beating contenders like weaver and smith and dokes and than fighting Tyson at a time when lewis was barely a beginner in the pro ranks or had (by mid 1991) just about made it to the fringes of the top 10.

So never any hate or dislike as such. By the time they met lewis was on the up and Ruddock was on the way down....u can see it in the lewis fight. He barely threw punches, was not in same shape as before and had awful managerial problems, his concrete chin had also left him.....hindsight shows all this was true the rest of his career too.....

[badkatt]

and kalam ran like a dog in the night = he wont answer a simple yes or no was tyson in his prime when lennox lewis fought him

[Bricks]

I think you will find the Jamaican born " Canadian " Rudduck never had anything positive to say about the London born ( of Jamaican parentage ) " Canadian " Lewis.

I think you will find they are good friends. In ruddocks recent comeback Lennox appeared with Ruddock at press conferences and tv interviews to support his friend. During the amateurs they were rivals but friendly. Ruddock was beating contenders like weaver and smith and dokes and than fighting Tyson at a time when lewis was barely a beginner in the pro ranks or had (by mid 1991) just about made it to the fringes of the top 10.

So never any hate or dislike as such. By the time they met lewis was on the up and Ruddock was on the way down....u can see it in the lewis fight. He barely threw punches, was not in same shape as before and had awful managerial problems, his concrete chin had also left him.....hindsight shows all this was true the rest of his career too.....

The same can be said for the relationships between Lewis, and Tyson, and Tyson and Holyfield in recent times. During their careers it was a different story. I believe Razor didn't have anything good to say about Lewis from his ( Lewis's ) debut until his retirement in 2003.

Out of interest do you believe Rudduck was NOT on the way down 19, and 16 months prior to fighting Lewis, even though he'd only had 11 more fights when they met?

Its a very interesting theory you raise. Certainly the movement ,jab ,right hand and controlled boxing razor was exhibiting as far back as 1986 in his win over weaver and his great performances in sparring and competing with the 1986 larry holmes .....was becoming less and less apparent in favour of brute power and brawling

[Kalan]

ya Tyson sure was prime in 2002 all coked up and at 234 lbs ....u sure know your boxing ....oviously your trolling like a child in grade 1 = im already bored by u see ya

You're an idiot... Tyson was not all coked up, because cocaine is a PED you brainless hoot owl.. He would have been caught and he was in camp for months, not out partying.. Plus he was only 35 and Lewis was 36.. Tyson could have fought Lewis many years earlier but he was ducking him Dilbert.. He was always going to get knocked out ANYTIME the got ready for Holyfield or Lewis.. It also happened to MIke when he was 23... so why not 30 and 35???

theres a saying it takes an idiot to know an idiot ....so heres a question and its a simple yes or no quesion kalan ....was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis yes ? was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis no ? give me a yes or no answer ......

Well...neither Tyson or Lewis were youngsters of course.. They were both knowledgeable and highly skilled veterans.. But Lewis was more knowledgeable and skilled.. He used his 16 year pro career to hone his skills to a higher degree than Tyson could accomplish in 20 years.. Tyson was already a pro for 17 years.. He was 35 and Lewis was 36.. Lewis learned a whole lot more about Boxing in his 15 years to that point ... so he polished Tyson off just like the savvy veteran Buster Douglas did... and the wily old boy Evander Holyfield treated Tyson the same way... When the body fails you the mind has to do it.

Was George Foreman in his prime when he setup MIchael Moorer???? ... Not at 45... but he was a lot more savvy and patient.. He waited for his shot like Lewis -- or Mayweather playing the youthful Canelo... Tyson lacked the temperament and mental equipment to outwit youngsters.

[badkatt]

You're an idiot... Tyson was not all coked up, because cocaine is a PED you brainless hoot owl.. He would have been caught and he was in camp for months, not out partying.. Plus he was only 35 and Lewis was 36.. Tyson could have fought Lewis many years earlier but he was ducking him Dilbert.. He was always going to get knocked out ANYTIME the got ready for Holyfield or Lewis.. It also happened to MIke when he was 23... so why not 30 and 35???

theres a saying it takes an idiot to know an idiot ....so heres a question and its a simple yes or no quesion kalan ....was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis yes ? was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis no ? give me a yes or no answer ......

Well...neither Tyson or Lewis were youngsters of course.. They were both knowledgeable and highly skilled veterans.. But Lewis was more knowledgeable and skilled.. He used his 16 year pro career to hone his skills to a higher degree than Tyson could accomplish in 20 years.. Tyson was already a pro for 17 years.. He was 35 and Lewis was 36.. Lewis learned a whole lot more about Boxing in his 15 years to that point ... so he polished Tyson off just like the savvy veteran Buster Douglas did... and the wily old boy Evander Holyfield treated Tyson the same way... When the body fails you the mind has to do it.

Was George Foreman in his prime when he setup MIchael Moorer???? ... Not at 45... but he was a lot more savvy and patient.. He waited for his shot like Lewis -- or Mayweather playing the youthful Canelo... Tyson lacked the temperament and mental equipment to outwit youngsters.

well kalan lewis was a bit past his prime but tyson was eons past his prime ? wouldnt that be true ..its a yes or no question ?

[badkatt]

You're an idiot... Tyson was not all coked up, because cocaine is a PED you brainless hoot owl.. He would have been caught and he was in camp for months, not out partying.. Plus he was only 35 and Lewis was 36.. Tyson could have fought Lewis many years earlier but he was ducking him Dilbert.. He was always going to get knocked out ANYTIME the got ready for Holyfield or Lewis.. It also happened to MIke when he was 23... so why not 30 and 35???

theres a saying it takes an idiot to know an idiot ....so heres a question and its a simple yes or no quesion kalan ....was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis yes ? was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis no ? give me a yes or no answer ......

Well...neither Tyson or Lewis were youngsters of course.. They were both knowledgeable and highly skilled veterans.. But Lewis was more knowledgeable and skilled.. He used his 16 year pro career to hone his skills to a higher degree than Tyson could accomplish in 20 years.. Tyson was already a pro for 17 years.. He was 35 and Lewis was 36.. Lewis learned a whole lot more about Boxing in his 15 years to that point ... so he polished Tyson off just like the savvy veteran Buster Douglas did... and the wily old boy Evander Holyfield treated Tyson the same way... When the body fails you the mind has to do it.

Was George Foreman in his prime when he setup MIchael Moorer???? ... Not at 45... but he was a lot more savvy and patient.. He waited for his shot like Lewis -- or Mayweather playing the youthful Canelo... Tyson lacked the temperament and mental equipment to outwit youngsters.

kalan my friend = short heavyweights like marciano/frazier/tyson/tua .....have much shorter primes then tall heavyweights and we both know thats a fact ...so your bs about being pro for 16 or 17 yrs goes out the window ....rememeber leon sinks beat ali ....was ali at peak not even close .....SHORT HEAVYWEIGHTS HAVE VERY SHORT PRIMES .....KALAN THATS A YES OR NO QUESTION 4U ?

[Controversial]

I think you will find the Jamaican born " Canadian " Rudduck never had anything positive to say about the London born ( of Jamaican parentage ) " Canadian " Lewis.

I was quoting Ruddock's' comments about him and Tyson ruining each other

I know you were. And I was referring to the underlined part of that comment where he sniped at Lewis.

I realise that, I just can't see why you picked that line out of the quote when that wasn't even part of the debate. Starting your sentence off "I'll think your find" tends to suggest you think I made it up.

[badkatt]

and kalam ran like a dog in the night = he wont answer a simple yes or no was tyson in his prime when lennox lewis fought him

KID, please allow me to intervene.

There are people like YOU who believe Mike Tyson was a cross between Genghis Khan, Hercules, Hitler, Superman, and Robocop.

Then there are people who live in the real world.

No, Tyson wasn't in his prime when Lewis fought him, but neither was Lennox.


However that is a moot point, because Buster totally FUKKED the guy when he was in his ABSOLUTE prime, aged 23.

By the way a fighters prime is NOT based on when he was fighting bums and junkies as a teenager.

It when he faces adversity as an accomplished fighter and finds a way to win, or still keeps beating a step up in the level of his competition.

watching lennox fight tyson was like watching louis v marciano bro .....one was way way way past his prime ...lewis was a touch past it ....but tyson was beyond it ..........golen oldie my friend lets say tyson had a rematch after the alex stewart fight and didnt fight ruddock and fought douglas again ....i know you wouldnt bet the housde on douglas and i damn well know as u well damn well know u would bet the house on tyson in a rematch .

[Kalan]

theres a saying it takes an idiot to know an idiot ....so heres a question and its a simple yes or no quesion kalan ....was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis yes ? was mike tyson in his prime when he fought lennox lewis no ? give me a yes or no answer ......

Well...neither Tyson or Lewis were youngsters of course.. They were both knowledgeable and highly skilled veterans.. But Lewis was more knowledgeable and skilled.. He used his 16 year pro career to hone his skills to a higher degree than Tyson could accomplish in 20 years.. Tyson was already a pro for 17 years.. He was 35 and Lewis was 36.. Lewis learned a whole lot more about Boxing in his 15 years to that point ... so he polished Tyson off just like the savvy veteran Buster Douglas did... and the wily old boy Evander Holyfield treated Tyson the same way... When the body fails you the mind has to do it.

Was George Foreman in his prime when he setup MIchael Moorer???? ... Not at 45... but he was a lot more savvy and patient.. He waited for his shot like Lewis -- or Mayweather playing the youthful Canelo... Tyson lacked the temperament and mental equipment to outwit youngsters.

kalan my friend = short heavyweights like marciano/frazier/tyson/tua .....have much shorter primes then tall heavyweights and we both know thats a fact ...so your bs about being pro for 16 or 17 yrs goes out the window ....rememeber leon sinks beat ali ....was ali at peak not even close .....SHORT HEAVYWEIGHTS HAVE VERY SHORT PRIMES .....KALAN THATS A YES OR NO QUESTION 4U ?

First off, you shouldn’t put people in boxes.. That’s like saying women can’t take a punch.. Categorizing short Heavyweights as having short primes is nuts... Some short guys have long primes – some have short guys have short primes – like anybody else.

David Tua’s problem wasn’t being very short. Tua wasn’t motivated and didn’t train hard or consistently – which was a shame because Tua was a very talented Heavyweight who could have been great... It didn’t amaze me that Tua polished off John Ruiz and Michael Moorer in 20 seconds each, with the natural strength, punching power, and chin he had.. It amazed me when he didn’t get to the gym and didn’t train hard.. You can’t eat like a pig, blow up to 300 pounds and take years off laying around on the couch if you want to be a successful boxer. Buster Douglas was tall and took the same approach Tua did.. Buster had tons of talent and did nothing with it.. He got motivated for 1 fight, won the title, and that was it.. Mike Tyson did a lot with his talent, but not as much as he could have if he kept his head on straight and flew right.

Fireman Jim Flynn was only 5'10" He had well over 100 pro fights and knocked out Jack Dempsey when he was 37… Sam Lanford was much shorter than Flynn. Langford was a very short Heavyweight of only 5’7” or so.. He fought over 250 pro fights and knocked out Fireman Jim Flynn when he was 40 years old.. He had a 30 fight unbeaten streak going when he was 40... James Toney was very short for a Heavyweight, but had decent success in his late 30’s... JT wasn’t short for a Middleweight but very short for a Heavyweight. He beat some good Heavyweights at an age where most guys slow up considerably.. Toney was ultra-talented and being short wasn’t his problem.. Controlling his appetite, getting up and running in the mornings, and training hard and consistently were his problems. Some guys get lazy when they get rich, so that can be a big problem.

[Controversial]

Well...neither Tyson or Lewis were youngsters of course.. They were both knowledgeable and highly skilled veterans.. But Lewis was more knowledgeable and skilled.. He used his 16 year pro career to hone his skills to a higher degree than Tyson could accomplish in 20 years.. Tyson was already a pro for 17 years.. He was 35 and Lewis was 36.. Lewis learned a whole lot more about Boxing in his 15 years to that point ... so he polished Tyson off just like the savvy veteran Buster Douglas did... and the wily old boy Evander Holyfield treated Tyson the same way... When the body fails you the mind has to do it.

Was George Foreman in his prime when he setup MIchael Moorer???? ... Not at 45... but he was a lot more savvy and patient.. He waited for his shot like Lewis -- or Mayweather playing the youthful Canelo... Tyson lacked the temperament and mental equipment to outwit youngsters.

kalan my friend = short heavyweights like marciano/frazier/tyson/tua .....have much shorter primes then tall heavyweights and we both know thats a fact ...so your bs about being pro for 16 or 17 yrs goes out the window ....rememeber leon sinks beat ali ....was ali at peak not even close .....SHORT HEAVYWEIGHTS HAVE VERY SHORT PRIMES .....KALAN THATS A YES OR NO QUESTION 4U ?

First off, you shouldn’t put people in boxes.. That’s like saying women can’t take a punch.. Categorizing short Heavyweights as having short primes is nuts... Some short guys have long primes – some have short guys have short primes – like anybody else.

David Tua’s problem wasn’t being very short. Tua wasn’t motivated and didn’t train hard or consistently – which was a shame because Tua was a very talented Heavyweight who could have been great... It didn’t amaze me that Tua polished off John Ruiz and Michael Moorer in 20 seconds each, with the natural strength, punching power, and chin he had.. It amazed me when he didn’t get to the gym and didn’t train hard.. You can’t eat like a pig, blow up to 300 pounds and take years off laying around on the couch if you want to be a successful boxer. Buster Douglas was tall and took the same approach Tua did.. Buster had tons of talent and did nothing with it.. He got motivated for 1 fight, won the title, and that was it.. Mike Tyson did a lot with his talent, but not as much as he could have if he kept his head on straight and flew right.

Fireman Jim Flynn was only 5'10" He had well over 100 pro fights and knocked out Jack Dempsey when he was 37… Sam Lanford was much shorter than Flynn. Langford was a very short Heavyweight of only 5’7” or so.. He fought over 250 pro fights and knocked out Fireman Jim Flynn when he was 40 years old.. He had a 30 fight unbeaten streak going when he was 40... James Toney was very short for a Heavyweight, but had decent success in his late 30’s... JT wasn’t short for a Middleweight but very short for a Heavyweight. He beat some good Heavyweights at an age where most guys slow up considerably.. Toney was ultra-talented and being short wasn’t his problem.. Controlling his appetite, getting up and running in the mornings, and training hard and consistently were his problems. Some guys get lazy when they get rich, so that can be a big problem.

What was more of an issue was Marciano, Frazier, Tyson and Tua were aggressive stand in front of you fighters. Generally speaking that style of fighting tends to result in a shorter peak.

[badkatt]

Well...neither Tyson or Lewis were youngsters of course.. They were both knowledgeable and highly skilled veterans.. But Lewis was more knowledgeable and skilled.. He used his 16 year pro career to hone his skills to a higher degree than Tyson could accomplish in 20 years.. Tyson was already a pro for 17 years.. He was 35 and Lewis was 36.. Lewis learned a whole lot more about Boxing in his 15 years to that point ... so he polished Tyson off just like the savvy veteran Buster Douglas did... and the wily old boy Evander Holyfield treated Tyson the same way... When the body fails you the mind has to do it.

Was George Foreman in his prime when he setup MIchael Moorer???? ... Not at 45... but he was a lot more savvy and patient.. He waited for his shot like Lewis -- or Mayweather playing the youthful Canelo... Tyson lacked the temperament and mental equipment to outwit youngsters.

kalan my friend = short heavyweights like marciano/frazier/tyson/tua .....have much shorter primes then tall heavyweights and we both know thats a fact ...so your bs about being pro for 16 or 17 yrs goes out the window ....rememeber leon sinks beat ali ....was ali at peak not even close .....SHORT HEAVYWEIGHTS HAVE VERY SHORT PRIMES .....KALAN THATS A YES OR NO QUESTION 4U ?

First off, you shouldn’t put people in boxes.. That’s like saying women can’t take a punch.. Categorizing short Heavyweights as having short primes is nuts... Some short guys have long primes – some have short guys have short primes – like anybody else.

David Tua’s problem wasn’t being very short. Tua wasn’t motivated and didn’t train hard or consistently – which was a shame because Tua was a very talented Heavyweight who could have been great... It didn’t amaze me that Tua polished off John Ruiz and Michael Moorer in 20 seconds each, with the natural strength, punching power, and chin he had.. It amazed me when he didn’t get to the gym and didn’t train hard.. You can’t eat like a pig, blow up to 300 pounds and take years off laying around on the couch if you want to be a successful boxer. Buster Douglas was tall and took the same approach Tua did.. Buster had tons of talent and did nothing with it.. He got motivated for 1 fight, won the title, and that was it.. Mike Tyson did a lot with his talent, but not as much as he could have if he kept his head on straight and flew right.

Fireman Jim Flynn was only 5'10" He had well over 100 pro fights and knocked out Jack Dempsey when he was 37… Sam Lanford was much shorter than Flynn. Langford was a very short Heavyweight of only 5’7” or so.. He fought over 250 pro fights and knocked out Fireman Jim Flynn when he was 40 years old.. He had a 30 fight unbeaten streak going when he was 40... James Toney was very short for a Heavyweight, but had decent success in his late 30’s... JT wasn’t short for a Middleweight but very short for a Heavyweight. He beat some good Heavyweights at an age where most guys slow up considerably.. Toney was ultra-talented and being short wasn’t his problem.. Controlling his appetite, getting up and running in the mornings, and training hard and consistently were his problems. Some guys get lazy when they get rich, so that can be a big problem.

didnt read your narcasist passive aggresive column

[Kalan]

You got that right Golden... Buster knew he could beat Tyson when he watched the Tyson-Tucker fight.. He thought Tyson would wipe out Tucker in a couple rounds but his eyes lit up by what he saw.. That's why he trained so hard, because he believed.. He never believed he could beat Holyfield.

[badkatt]

KID, please allow me to intervene.

There are people like YOU who believe Mike Tyson was a cross between Genghis Khan, Hercules, Hitler, Superman, and Robocop.

Then there are people who live in the real world.

No, Tyson wasn't in his prime when Lewis fought him, but neither was Lennox.


However that is a moot point, because Buster totally FUKKED the guy when he was in his ABSOLUTE prime, aged 23.

By the way a fighters prime is NOT based on when he was fighting bums and junkies as a teenager.

It when he faces adversity as an accomplished fighter and finds a way to win, or still keeps beating a step up in the level of his competition.

watching lennox fight tyson was like watching louis v marciano bro .....one was way way way past his prime ...lewis was a touch past it

Hyperbole. Lewis was not just a touch past it at all, he had just come off an avenged defeat by a guy that in reality should never have been more than a sparring partner for a prime version of himself. A fight for which he had to train harder than he had for years

..........golen oldie my friend lets say tyson had a rematch after the alex stewart fight and didnt fight ruddock and fought douglas again ....i know you wouldnt bet the housde on douglas and i damn well know as u well damn well know u would bet the house on tyson in a rematch.

Like millions of others I would NEVER have put anything on the 42 - 1 underdog Douglas in February 1990, but make no mistake if they had rematched 10 times not only would I have put the house on him every time, I would have taken mortgages out on as many as I could possibly buy and bet them too. Tyson's myth was well and truly exploded, it was like watching religious freaks suddenly realising there is no god.

well you woulda lost your house 10 x if they rematched ...

[badkatt]

Like millions of others I would NEVER have put anything on the 42 - 1 underdog Douglas in February 1990, but make no mistake if they had rematched 10 times not only would I have put the house on him every time, I would have taken mortgages out on as many as I could possibly buy and bet them too. Tyson's myth was well and truly exploded, it was like watching religious freaks suddenly realising there is no god.

well you woulda lost your house 10 x if they rematched ...

Nah, I would have had a property portfolio worth a lot more than I've got now. Tyson would NEVER have had an answer for a guy bigger stronger with a longer reach and most importantly WANTED TO HAVE A FIGHT with him, as opposed to just trying to survive.

Myths get exposed, get over it.

if i put a lie detector on you bro u would fail ...u know in a rematch tyson knocks out buster doyglas ....the tyson of the 1st ruddock fight blasts douglas out of there in about 3 or 4 rds .

[Kalan]

well you woulda lost your house 10 x if they rematched ...

Nah, I would have had a property portfolio worth a lot more than I've got now. Tyson would NEVER have had an answer for a guy bigger stronger with a longer reach and most importantly WANTED TO HAVE A FIGHT with him, as opposed to just trying to survive.

Myths get exposed, get over it.

if i put a lie detector on you bro u would fail ...u know in a rematch tyson knocks out buster doyglas ....the tyson of the 1st ruddock fight blasts douglas out of there in about 3 or 4 rds .

You're failing to understand the fact that Ruddock couldn't box... He was a slow, wide open target for Tyson... He was a big, dumb, slow, hittable target like Bruno, Morrison, and Smith... Buster Douglas was big, tall, strong, fast, hard punching, skillful, reasonably clever when he tried to be, and he was also very confident he could beat Mike Tyson... That's 7 qualities that together got the better of Tyson... Guys like Ruddock only had 4 of the 7 attributes... Tyson beat the bigger, taller, stronger Ruddock using better speed, cleverness, skill, and confidence... But he had nothing over a well prepared Douglas... If Douglas prepared like he did for Holyfield Mike might beat him -- but having already proven to himself he could beat Tyson -- he would train very hard and wouldn't slack off like he did for Holy.

[badkatt]

Nah, I would have had a property portfolio worth a lot more than I've got now. Tyson would NEVER have had an answer for a guy bigger stronger with a longer reach and most importantly WANTED TO HAVE A FIGHT with him, as opposed to just trying to survive.

Myths get exposed, get over it.

if i put a lie detector on you bro u would fail ...u know in a rematch tyson knocks out buster doyglas ....the tyson of the 1st ruddock fight blasts douglas out of there in about 3 or 4 rds .

You're failing to understand the fact that Ruddock couldn't box... He was a slow, wide open target for Tyson... He was a big, dumb, slow, hittable target like Bruno, Morrison, and Smith... Buster Douglas was big, tall, strong, fast, hard punching, skillful, reasonably clever when he tried to be, and he was also very confident he could beat Mike Tyson... That's 7 qualities that together got the better of Tyson... Guys like Ruddock only had 4 of the 7 attributes... Tyson beat the bigger, taller, stronger Ruddock using better speed, cleverness, skill, and confidence... But he had nothing over a well prepared Douglas... If Douglas prepared like he did for Holyfield Mike might beat him -- but having already proven to himself he could beat Tyson -- he would train very hard and wouldn't slack off like he did for Holy.

razor ruddock from the 2 tyson fights and dokes fight woulda knocked out buster douglas from japan bro ....

[badkatt]

Nah, I would have had a property portfolio worth a lot more than I've got now. Tyson would NEVER have had an answer for a guy bigger stronger with a longer reach and most importantly WANTED TO HAVE A FIGHT with him, as opposed to just trying to survive.

Myths get exposed, get over it.

if i put a lie detector on you bro u would fail ...u know in a rematch tyson knocks out buster doyglas ....the tyson of the 1st ruddock fight blasts douglas out of there in about 3 or 4 rds .

WRONG.

What I do know is, Tyson is a sexual predator / convicted rapist, and a bullyboy. Those are traits of cowardice. Hence when Douglas, Holy, Lewis, Williams, and McBride, took his crap and hit him back harder, and / or more often, he capitulated. This is why I would ALWAYS have backed Douglas in ANY rematch with Tyson no matter when it had occurred.

You trying to compare the one dimensional, plodding, skill less, dim witted, single shot hitting Ruddock with Douglas, says more about your desperate man love for Tyson, than it does about your knowledge of the fight game, I'm afraid.

Along with Tillman, and Stewart, Ruddock was just another confidence builder for your hero's shattered reputation. The fact that EVEN he did far, far, better than expected was just writing on the wall.

sounds like your manipulating yourself again ......thats fine but im not manipulated by you .

[Kalan]

if i put a lie detector on you bro u would fail ...u know in a rematch tyson knocks out buster doyglas ....the tyson of the 1st ruddock fight blasts douglas out of there in about 3 or 4 rds .

You're failing to understand the fact that Ruddock couldn't box... He was a slow, wide open target for Tyson... He was a big, dumb, slow, hittable target like Bruno, Morrison, and Smith... Buster Douglas was big, tall, strong, fast, hard punching, skillful, reasonably clever when he tried to be, and he was also very confident he could beat Mike Tyson... That's 7 qualities that together got the better of Tyson... Guys like Ruddock only had 4 of the 7 attributes... Tyson beat the bigger, taller, stronger Ruddock using better speed, cleverness, skill, and confidence... But he had nothing over a well prepared Douglas... If Douglas prepared like he did for Holyfield Mike might beat him -- but having already proven to himself he could beat Tyson -- he would train very hard and wouldn't slack off like he did for Holy.

razor ruddock from the 2 tyson fights and dokes fight woulda knocked out buster douglas from japan bro ....

NO way in Hell... Buster had a stance... footwork... speed... a jab... a straight right... slick counterpunches... a defense... and great combinations. You forget that his father was a National Golden Gloves Champion who had a long pro career.. He taught Buster how to box from the time he was 3...and marveled at Buster's size and raw talent.. The only guy who wasn't too sure was Buster.. He never believed, or never worked that hard.. But Buster would have boxed the ass off Ruddock if he prepared like he did for Tyson.

[badkatt]

You're failing to understand the fact that Ruddock couldn't box... He was a slow, wide open target for Tyson... He was a big, dumb, slow, hittable target like Bruno, Morrison, and Smith... Buster Douglas was big, tall, strong, fast, hard punching, skillful, reasonably clever when he tried to be, and he was also very confident he could beat Mike Tyson... That's 7 qualities that together got the better of Tyson... Guys like Ruddock only had 4 of the 7 attributes... Tyson beat the bigger, taller, stronger Ruddock using better speed, cleverness, skill, and confidence... But he had nothing over a well prepared Douglas... If Douglas prepared like he did for Holyfield Mike might beat him -- but having already proven to himself he could beat Tyson -- he would train very hard and wouldn't slack off like he did for Holy.

razor ruddock from the 2 tyson fights and dokes fight woulda knocked out buster douglas from japan bro ....

NO way in Hell... Buster had a stance... footwork... speed... a jab... a straight right... slick counterpunches... a defense... and great combinations. You forget that his father was a National Golden Gloves Champion who had a long pro career.. He taught Buster how to box from the time he was 3...and marveled at Buster's size and raw talent.. The only guy who wasn't too sure was Buster.. He never believed, or never worked that hard.. But Buster would have boxed the ass off Ruddock if he prepared like he did for Tyson.

i dont belive u .....ruddock trained hard back then (not like tyson) ..... i think douglas woulda been intimidated by ruddock afrer watching bonecrusher and dokes fall hard ....go look at the holy v douglas staredown ...douglas was scared shitttttttttt less ....ruddock would knock that shittttt out and would never let douglas get brave the way tyson did ....tysons problem was under training and thinking that looking at douglas with a mean face was gonna win it for him ...