Amir khan on Canelo's weight fight Night

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jujigatame wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
This is NOT far fetched at all. I wrestled collegiately and had to suck down in weight in those years and I would weight in at 130 pounds on a Friday night...go home eat and rehydrate...come back to gym the next morning for my my match and I'd weigh 160 plus.

Not the most healthy way to do it but it's very possible and probable with someone like Canelo.
I know wrestlers cut a lot but 30 pounds is not the norm for someone that size. That's extremely high and would probably not be allowed in states that regulate weight-cutting now. I have never seen a boxer weigh 30 pounds heavier on his unofficial fight night weigh-in. Even a big cruiserweight like Haye was only doing like 10-20 pounds.

There is no way Canelo is 186 in the ring. He's not the same size as Kovalev.
The number do seem a touch far fetched. MMA fighter Thiago Alves posted pictures on his twitter on him weight 197 if memory serves me, having made 170 (probably 171) the same day. Presumably he'd have been heavier still come fight time so 30 pounds doesn't seem unreasonable to assume. With that in mind I could see Canelo cutting at least 25.
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I believe you can go 170->197, even though it's a lot of weight and I doubt most UFC WWs are cutting that much. 154->186 is another story.
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Khan doesn't know his Arse from his elbow
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boxing_rocks wrote:
lazboy wrote:
He would have a top team of nutrition experts and so on. I really think he could and does stack on at least 20 pounds.
Needles are probably involved too.
Yea most likely. A mate was telling me the ufc boys used to rehydrate with a IV drip. Because of this I think there are new ufc provisions newly passed about how much you can put on but I cbf looking it up haha so I'm not 100%.
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jujigatame wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
This is NOT far fetched at all. I wrestled collegiately and had to suck down in weight in those years and I would weight in at 130 pounds on a Friday night...go home eat and rehydrate...come back to gym the next morning for my my match and I'd weigh 160 plus.

Not the most healthy way to do it but it's very possible and probable with someone like Canelo.
I know wrestlers cut a lot but 30 pounds is not the norm for someone that size. That's extremely high and would probably not be allowed in states that regulate weight-cutting now. I have never seen a boxer weigh 30 pounds heavier on his unofficial fight night weigh-in. Even a big cruiserweight like Haye was only doing like 10-20 pounds.

There is no way Canelo is 186 in the ring. He's not the same size as Kovalev.
I'm not saying that it's the norm for all boxers. I'm just saying it's the norm for Canelo. I used to gain that much weight after weighing in without the use of a team of doctors and technology. I'm sure Canelo gets a line in his arm and they feed him bag after bag until he's topped off with as many nutrients as possible. I'm sure that these doctors help him cut the weight and also help him beef up for fight night to get that advantage. Why do you think Canelo never weighs in on fight night? He's hiding a huge advantage that he has.
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Deadendgeneration wrote:
jujigatame wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
This is NOT far fetched at all. I wrestled collegiately and had to suck down in weight in those years and I would weight in at 130 pounds on a Friday night...go home eat and rehydrate...come back to gym the next morning for my my match and I'd weigh 160 plus.

Not the most healthy way to do it but it's very possible and probable with someone like Canelo.
I know wrestlers cut a lot but 30 pounds is not the norm for someone that size. That's extremely high and would probably not be allowed in states that regulate weight-cutting now. I have never seen a boxer weigh 30 pounds heavier on his unofficial fight night weigh-in. Even a big cruiserweight like Haye was only doing like 10-20 pounds.

There is no way Canelo is 186 in the ring. He's not the same size as Kovalev.
The number do seem a touch far fetched. MMA fighter Thiago Alves posted pictures on his twitter on him weight 197 if memory serves me, having made 170 (probably 171) the same day. Presumably he'd have been heavier still come fight time so 30 pounds doesn't seem unreasonable to assume. With that in mind I could see Canelo cutting at least 25.
It's a juggling act with water weight, that's all it is. We used to take a pill called Lasix which doctors give to elderly people having issues with urinating and bloating from poor blatter control. I'd take two of these pills the night before and I would piss 20 pounds out through the night. Obviously, it's super unhealthy because you lose a ton of potassium and minerals so you feel like junk the next day, very weak. But these guys get the IV to replenish what they lost and they feel better than they did before taking the pill in the first place. So being 20 pounds over the day before weigh in is not uncommon for these fighters in both Boxing and UFC.
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Canelo fought Khan in Vegas. Nevada no longer allows IV rehydration before a fight.

Canelo did do unofficial weigh-ins for a few of his fights. Against Hatton and Mosely he was 165 and 167. Against Mayweather he was 165, and 172 against Trout.

I'm sorry but 186 is not plausible.
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Counter-puncher wrote::lol:

maths isn't Amir's strong point, lets face it
anything that involves a little common sense isn't imho

MY estimate...khan was around 159 and canelo 173
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caldo2025 wrote:
lefty wrote:When I got in the ring against Canelo, I only weighed about 158lbs, whereas Canelo walked in at around 187lbs. That’s a massive difference there, you know.”

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/would-a ... -golovkin/


I know Canelo puts on a lot of weight when he rehydrates but 32lbs seems just a touch far fetched :lol:
This is NOT far fetched at all. I wrestled collegiately and had to suck down in weight in those years and I would weight in at 130 pounds on a Friday night...go home eat and rehydrate...come back to gym the next morning for my my match and I'd weigh 160 plus.

Not the most healthy way to do it but it's very possible and probable with someone like Canelo.
In Canelo's case, it is far fetched. Canelo doesn't look like an 186lb guy at 5'7"
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jujigatame wrote:Canelo fought Khan in Vegas. Nevada no longer allows IV rehydration before a fight.

Canelo did do unofficial weigh-ins for a few of his fights. Against Hatton and Mosely he was 165 and 167. Against Mayweather he was 165, and 172 against Trout.

I'm sorry but 186 is not plausible.
Didn't Floyd get an IV rehydration in Vegas against Pacquiao? Or was it before the law passed?
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IKSRTFO wrote:
jujigatame wrote:Canelo fought Khan in Vegas. Nevada no longer allows IV rehydration before a fight.

Canelo did do unofficial weigh-ins for a few of his fights. Against Hatton and Mosely he was 165 and 167. Against Mayweather he was 165, and 172 against Trout.

I'm sorry but 186 is not plausible.
Didn't Floyd get an IV rehydration in Vegas against Pacquiao? Or was it before the law passed?

Yes he certainly did. Good question.

Are some ignoring the fact rules are bent or dismissed for superstar money makers?

20-25lbs is not that far fetched. Guys like Holyfield have lost 15lbs in a single fight. With plenty of time to prepare and a world class team/backing, quite a bit is possible.
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Bricks wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote::lol:

maths isn't Amir's strong point, lets face it
anything that involves a little common sense isn't imho

MY estimate...khan was around 159 and canelo 173
These are plausible numbers. Canelo is still a huge JMW, but he's not bigger than Golovkin, Zurdo, and Ward.
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jujigatame wrote:
Bricks wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote::lol:

maths isn't Amir's strong point, lets face it
anything that involves a little common sense isn't imho

MY estimate...khan was around 159 and canelo 173
These are plausible numbers. Canelo is still a huge JMW, but he's not bigger than Golovkin, Zurdo, and Ward.
He is bigger than Golovkin. GGG weigh on a fight night when he is fighting in the middleweight division is lower than Canelo's fight night weight when he is fighting at the super welterweight. And Canelo's exuse that he didn't want to fight GGG, because he isn't accustomed to middleweight division, was beyond laughable.
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He's not bigger than Golovkin in any significant way. They're probably around the same size. GGG is taller and leaner.

I agree the weight excuse for putting off the fight was pathetic and transparent.
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IKSRTFO wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
lefty wrote:When I got in the ring against Canelo, I only weighed about 158lbs, whereas Canelo walked in at around 187lbs. That’s a massive difference there, you know.”

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/would-a ... -golovkin/


I know Canelo puts on a lot of weight when he rehydrates but 32lbs seems just a touch far fetched :lol:
This is NOT far fetched at all. I wrestled collegiately and had to suck down in weight in those years and I would weight in at 130 pounds on a Friday night...go home eat and rehydrate...come back to gym the next morning for my my match and I'd weigh 160 plus.

Not the most healthy way to do it but it's very possible and probable with someone like Canelo.
In Canelo's case, it is far fetched. Canelo doesn't look like an 186lb guy at 5'7"
I guarantee that he puts on at least 20 pounds after every single weigh in. It's a huge advantage for him and it's a huge reason why the weight agreed upon in his negotiations is the biggest sticking point. He's never weighed in the day of like most boxers do. You are naive to think that he doesn't walk around at 185 normally. He's got a very thick frame regardless of height.
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caldo2025 wrote:
Deadendgeneration wrote:
jujigatame wrote:
I know wrestlers cut a lot but 30 pounds is not the norm for someone that size. That's extremely high and would probably not be allowed in states that regulate weight-cutting now. I have never seen a boxer weigh 30 pounds heavier on his unofficial fight night weigh-in. Even a big cruiserweight like Haye was only doing like 10-20 pounds.

There is no way Canelo is 186 in the ring. He's not the same size as Kovalev.
The number do seem a touch far fetched. MMA fighter Thiago Alves posted pictures on his twitter on him weight 197 if memory serves me, having made 170 (probably 171) the same day. Presumably he'd have been heavier still come fight time so 30 pounds doesn't seem unreasonable to assume. With that in mind I could see Canelo cutting at least 25.
It's a juggling act with water weight, that's all it is. We used to take a pill called Lasix which doctors give to elderly people having issues with urinating and bloating from poor blatter control. I'd take two of these pills the night before and I would piss 20 pounds out through the night. Obviously, it's super unhealthy because you lose a ton of potassium and minerals so you feel like junk the next day, very weak. But these guys get the IV to replenish what they lost and they feel better than they did before taking the pill in the first place. So being 20 pounds over the day before weigh in is not uncommon for these fighters in both Boxing and UFC.
I have cut a lot of weight over the years like a lot of people, but to say you piss out 20 lbs overnight is so exaggerated it got me laughing. No one cuts 20lbs the day before a contest, water or not, and is remotely competitive at a high level.
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Badhusker wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Deadendgeneration wrote:
The number do seem a touch far fetched. MMA fighter Thiago Alves posted pictures on his twitter on him weight 197 if memory serves me, having made 170 (probably 171) the same day. Presumably he'd have been heavier still come fight time so 30 pounds doesn't seem unreasonable to assume. With that in mind I could see Canelo cutting at least 25.
It's a juggling act with water weight, that's all it is. We used to take a pill called Lasix which doctors give to elderly people having issues with urinating and bloating from poor blatter control. I'd take two of these pills the night before and I would piss 20 pounds out through the night. Obviously, it's super unhealthy because you lose a ton of potassium and minerals so you feel like junk the next day, very weak. But these guys get the IV to replenish what they lost and they feel better than they did before taking the pill in the first place. So being 20 pounds over the day before weigh in is not uncommon for these fighters in both Boxing and UFC.
I have cut a lot of weight over the years like a lot of people, but to say you piss out 20 lbs overnight is so exaggerated it got me laughing. No one cuts 20lbs the day before a contest, water or not, and is remotely competitive at a high level.


It's probably just another subject that you aren't qualified to comment on but don't let that continue to stop you BH. I've done this personally and witnessed some world class wrestlers on my teams do it religiously. They have it down to an exact system that has been tried and true for years. I was never close to world class in anything in my life but I was fortunate enough to have a few world class athletes luckily end up on my team. They prefer to lose the majority of their weight the last day because it's easier to replenish nurtrients if done in a small window as opposed to gradually losing weight 5 lbs per day over the course of a week. It's fact, not my story.

Put it this way, how many times have you seen a boxer show up on fight night weighing 20 pounds more than they did the night before at weigh ins? A lot. If you can gain 20+ pounds overnight then you absolutely can lose it overnight. Fact.
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caldo2025 wrote:
IKSRTFO wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
This is NOT far fetched at all. I wrestled collegiately and had to suck down in weight in those years and I would weight in at 130 pounds on a Friday night...go home eat and rehydrate...come back to gym the next morning for my my match and I'd weigh 160 plus.

Not the most healthy way to do it but it's very possible and probable with someone like Canelo.
In Canelo's case, it is far fetched. Canelo doesn't look like an 186lb guy at 5'7"
I guarantee that he puts on at least 20 pounds after every single weigh in. It's a huge advantage for him and it's a huge reason why the weight agreed upon in his negotiations is the biggest sticking point. He's never weighed in the day of like most boxers do. You are naive to think that he doesn't walk around at 185 normally. He's got a very thick frame regardless of height.
Waling around at 185 when not fighting is different than a fight night weight. He isn't 185 on fight night.
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Canelo was definitely more than 180 an fight night. I've heard that from Khan, Liam Smith and another contact.
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keithmoonhangover wrote:Canelo was definitely more than 180 an fight night. I've heard that from Khan, Liam Smith and another contact.
How did any of those guys know Canelo's rehydration weight accurately for those bouts? You're simply citing rumours or guesses as facts when there are none.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:Canelo was definitely more than 180 an fight night. I've heard that from Khan, Liam Smith and another contact.
How did any of those guys know Canelo's rehydration weight accurately for those bouts? You're simply citing rumours or guesses as facts when there are none.
You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face. Go back to sleep FUGMO.
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keithmoonhangover wrote:Canelo was definitely more than 180 an fight night. I've heard that from Khan, Liam Smith and another contact.
:lol: *taps nose*
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Counter-puncher wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:Canelo was definitely more than 180 an fight night. I've heard that from Khan, Liam Smith and another contact.
:lol: *taps nose*
:OhYes:
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keithmoonhangover wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:Canelo was definitely more than 180 an fight night. I've heard that from Khan, Liam Smith and another contact.
How did any of those guys know Canelo's rehydration weight accurately for those bouts? You're simply citing rumours or guesses as facts when there are none.
You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face. Go back to sleep FUGMO.
OK, why don't you educate me by supporting your claims with evidence?
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Enlightened-One wrote:OK, why don't you educate me by supporting your claims with evidence?
The last time we jousted you were convinced that the MGM Arena was a stadium. Newflash FUGMO, it ain't. I provided you with loads of evidence on that discussion FUGMO and you ignored it. Admit you were wrong and we can move on with our little discussions.

Weren't you banned from the forum when you were called Rover? Didn't you get a little bit upset when people called you Fugmo? Didn't you have some kind of meltdown when you were called Rover? Didn't you keep reporting people to the mods?
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