Pacquaio should retire

[Ricky_]

What's the point really? Killer instinct is gone, along with the golden era of fighters he was in his prime with.

Picking up bog-standard points wins over guys like Algieri and Vargas just does nothing for anyone, and he doesn't need the money. Time to hang 'em up.

[Syntax Error]

It's hard to know what motivates him to fight anymore.

Unless he's going to engage in some big blockbuster fights, he has little to prove now.

He doesn't even knock people out anymore: it's as if his power has run away.

[MachoTime]

Already seen Pacquiao vs. Mayweather in a real PPV. There is no suspense anymore with Pacquiao. Pacquiao is a well liked Boxer. I doubt those that are buying his PPV's are paying to see him lose like Mayweather. Pacquiao must have a hard core PPV fan base that would pay to see him fight arguably a top 10-15 WW like Vargas.

Perhaps Pacquiao will fight threats like Crawford, Garcia, Spence, or Thurman in the very near future those might be worth buying PPV. No rumors that happening.

The only rumor was Lomachenko who fights 130-135. Nah !

[lefty]

I'd like to see a passing of the torch matchup - Pacquaio vs Crawford. Crawford can then hopefully piggyback off of Pacquaio as happens with a lot of ATs ultimately.

[gilgamesh]

It's hard to know what motivates him to fight anymore.

Unless he's going to engage in some big blockbuster fights, he has little to prove now.

He doesn't even knock people out anymore: it's as if his power has run away.

You guys just now picking up on this? His last KO win was all the way back in 2009

[gilgamesh]

Whatever Pacquiao wants to do I don't care. If he keeps fighting I'll keep watching. He's clearly still a very sharp and talented fighter.

[world ranked]

I'd like to see a passing of the torch matchup - Pacquaio vs Crawford. Crawford can then hopefully piggyback off of Pacquaio as happens with a lot of ATs ultimately.

That would make the most sense. Make a new ppv star. In the US its really only one now if you don't included Pac.

[Enlightened-One]

In terms of the average total punch count for his last three fights, Manny Pacquiao barely managed to throw in excess of 400 punches, but when you compare this figure to some of his earlier 147lb fights:
• Chris Algieri = 669
• Brandon Rios = 790
• Timothy Bradley (1st fight) = 751
• Shane Mosley = 727
• Antonio Margarito = 1069
• Joshua Clottey = 1231
• Miguel Cotto = 780

The evidence clearly suggests that one of Manny’s main physical advantages has eroded with age, which is his legendary high work-rate.

And when you consider this decline, coupled with the fact the Filipino legend hasn’t stopped an opponent for seven years, the this leads me to believe that Pacquiao has become extremely beatable… and it seems inevitable that he will suffer another loss on his resume in the very short-term (if he's not matched carefully).

[gilgamesh]

In terms of the average total punch count for his last three fights, Manny Pacquiao barely managed to throw in excess of 400 punches, but when you compare this figure to some of his earlier 147lb fights:
• Chris Algieri = 669
• Brandon Rios = 790
• Timothy Bradley (1st fight) = 751
• Shane Mosley = 727
• Antonio Margarito = 1069
• Joshua Clottey = 1231
• Miguel Cotto = 780

The evidence clearly suggests that one of Manny’s main physical advantages has eroded with age, which is his legendary high work-rate.

And when you consider this decline, coupled with the fact the Filipino legend hasn’t stopped an opponent for seven years, the this leads me to believe that Pacquiao has become extremely beatable… and it seems inevitable that he will suffer another loss on his resume in the very short-term (if he's not matched carefully).

Him losing again soon is part of the plan from Team Arum I'm sure. That's why they're pushing for Crawford and Lomachenko matchups.

[Enlightened-One]

In terms of the average total punch count for his last three fights, Manny Pacquiao barely managed to throw in excess of 400 punches, but when you compare this figure to some of his earlier 147lb fights:
• Chris Algieri = 669
• Brandon Rios = 790
• Timothy Bradley (1st fight) = 751
• Shane Mosley = 727
• Antonio Margarito = 1069
• Joshua Clottey = 1231
• Miguel Cotto = 780

The evidence clearly suggests that one of Manny’s main physical advantages has eroded with age, which is his legendary high work-rate.

And when you consider this decline, coupled with the fact the Filipino legend hasn’t stopped an opponent for seven years, then this leads me to believe that Pacquiao has become extremely beatable… and it seems inevitable that he will suffer another loss on his resume in the very short-term (if he's not matched carefully).

Him losing again soon is part of the plan from Team Arum I'm sure. That's why they're pushing for Crawford and Lomachenko matchups.

I think that it’s in the best interest of Top Rank for Pacquiao to engage in a “passing of the torch” type fight against one of their young rising superstars… and I am aware that a lot of people like us have also proposed this notion.

[jujigatame]

and he doesn't need the money.

You sure about that?

[Athrun340]

I think Pacquiao just enjoys fighting. He's one of the few guys who is really passionate about boxing. He also needs the money.

Pacquiao and Mayweather are just on another level. Who would've thought they'd still be this competitive at the age of 37, 38, 39. The way Pacquiao fought earlier in his career, I thought he'd be done by 34. Nope still going strong at the age of 37. Just amazing.

[Syntax Error]

It's hard to know what motivates him to fight anymore.

Unless he's going to engage in some big blockbuster fights, he has little to prove now.

He doesn't even knock people out anymore: it's as if his power has run away.

You guys just now picking up on this? His last KO win was all the way back in 2009

I know; hence why I posted what I posted.

[Enlightened-One]

I think Pacquiao just enjoys fighting. He's one of the few guys who is really passionate about boxing. He also needs the money.

You're right. Pacquiao admitted in August that the main reason for him to come out of retirement was because he was driven by the need to earn more money. He says he can't rely on his income as a public official to look after his family.

[lefty]

In terms of the average total punch count for his last three fights, Manny Pacquiao barely managed to throw in excess of 400 punches, but when you compare this figure to some of his earlier 147lb fights:
• Chris Algieri = 669
• Brandon Rios = 790
• Timothy Bradley (1st fight) = 751
• Shane Mosley = 727
• Antonio Margarito = 1069
• Joshua Clottey = 1231
• Miguel Cotto = 780

The evidence clearly suggests that one of Manny’s main physical advantages has eroded with age, which is his legendary high work-rate.

And when you consider this decline, coupled with the fact the Filipino legend hasn’t stopped an opponent for seven years, the this leads me to believe that Pacquiao has become extremely beatable… and it seems inevitable that he will suffer another loss on his resume in the very short-term (if he's not matched carefully).

Probably not on the juice anymore aswell .....

[Lackeos]

and he doesn't need the money.

In a sense, he does need the money, because he gives away a lot of what he makes to people in the Philippines. He's practically trying to earn enough money to single-handedly end all of the poverty in his country, and it's never going to be enough. But if he can make another $25 or 50 million before he retires, then it will help. It's not like he's where RJJ is, fighting bums for like $50k purses. He still makes like 500 times as much as RJJ. Sh*t, Pacquiao still makes more money than Golovkin, Alvarez, Ward, Kovalev, Fury, etc.. He might as well keep getting it while the getting's good.

[lefty]

and he doesn't need the money.

In a sense, he does need the money, because he gives away a lot of what he makes to people in the Philippines. He's practically trying to earn enough money to single-handedly end all of the poverty in his country, and it's never going to be enough. But if he can make another $25 or 50 million before he retires, then it will help. It's not like he's where RJJ is, fighting bums for like $50k purses. He still makes like 500 times as much as RJJ. Sh*t, Pacquiao still makes more money than Golovkin, Alvarez, Ward, Kovalev, Fury, etc.. He might as well keep getting it while the getting's good.

I don't know if he is making more than Alvarez now. In the past sure but I'm not so sure presently.

[badkatt]

agreed

[Badhusker]

If Pacquiao was a little smarter, and the people around him less greedy, he could retire. He admits that he gives away about 1/2 what he makes. If he invested that amount wisely, he should be set. Everyone around him seems to have their hand out, and he is either too stupid or kind hearted to say no. Probably both.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Even a diminished Pacman is a very good fighter, he's still pretty quick, but he looks to be struggling a little to pull the trigger.

I think he probably can't face retirement, it's the classic syndrome of elite level fighters, they can't quit the stage.

He would probably be underdog now against the top boys in the division, but he's still near the top of the tree, however he could end up being found out against the best now, he's taking more shots than he used to, and he doesn't seem to hit with anything like the authority he used to. I'm not sure he actually wants to hurt his opponents any more.

I thought he was angling for a Mayweather rematch, but I'm not sure that's even the case, I think he just loves fighting.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think Manny is at the stage where holyfield was when fighting Ruiz not completely shot but not the fighter je was I just hope he doesn't go on another 10 years like evander did

Yeah, maybe a little more left than Holy, though generally it's a pretty fair comparison. At this stage, Manny is good enough to live with the best WW's, but not necessarily win.

I could see him maybe getting a beating at this stage from a big hitting Welterweight who was able to catch him clean.

[T w_savage]

Pacquiao has been very smart about the way he's changed his fighting style to allow for his advancing years.. The difficulty he has is now he can no longer sustain the high work rate his ability to beat much heavier (147 and beyond) guys is severely compromised.

He just needs to step back down to 140 . guys like Garcia, Khan , Crawford would no doubt want to meet him at that weight. All four of them are 140 fighters that only contemplate 147 for money.

There is also the likes of gamboa, linares etc at 135 and obviously lomachenko. They are a better bet for pacquiao imo than continuing to fight bigger men at 147.

He wants to make a little money before he retires but not get beaten up and tarnish his legacy dropping down a weight is the way forward imo.

[Badhusker]

Pacquiao has been very smart about the way he's changed his fighting style to allow for his advancing years.. The difficulty he has is now he can no longer sustain the high work rate his ability to beat much heavier (147 and beyond) guys is severely compromised.

He just needs to step back down to 140 . guys like Garcia, Khan , Crawford would no doubt want to meet him at that weight. All four of them are 140 fighters that only contemplate 147 for money.

There is also the likes of gamboa, linares etc at 135 and obviously lomachenko. They are a better bet for pacquiao imo than continuing to fight bigger men at 147.

He wants to make a little money before he retires but not get beaten up and tarnish his legacy dropping down a weight is the way forward imo.

Crawford or Gamboa yes at 140, but Khan and Garcia no way. Gamboa is out since he was beaten badly by Crawford. Lomo is a possibility at 135 or 140. Unless its Floyd, Arum will keep it in house, you can bank on that.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I'd like to see a passing of the torch matchup - Pacquaio vs Crawford. Crawford can then hopefully piggyback off of Pacquaio as happens with a lot of ATs ultimately.

Passing of the torch to another TR fighter ...
Who doesn't even fight at 147 ...

The only guys left for Manny are in PBC.
How about fans get behind something new?

[caldo2025]

In terms of the average total punch count for his last three fights, Manny Pacquiao barely managed to throw in excess of 400 punches, but when you compare this figure to some of his earlier 147lb fights:
• Chris Algieri = 669
• Brandon Rios = 790
• Timothy Bradley (1st fight) = 751
• Shane Mosley = 727
• Antonio Margarito = 1069
• Joshua Clottey = 1231
• Miguel Cotto = 780

The evidence clearly suggests that one of Manny’s main physical advantages has eroded with age, which is his legendary high work-rate.

And when you consider this decline, coupled with the fact the Filipino legend hasn’t stopped an opponent for seven years, the this leads me to believe that Pacquiao has become extremely beatable… and it seems inevitable that he will suffer another loss on his resume in the very short-term (if he's not matched carefully).

You are approaching Troll-like status at this point with the garbage that you sling at the wall trying to get people angered enough to give you some attention that you obviously crave for some reason. Maybe you're lonely. For that, i'm sorry. But, you seem like an intelligent enough individual. Have you ever tried making an honest point without the shock and yawn approach?

Manny is 37 years old. He walks around at 144 pounds. Has zip for reach and height but he's competing at 147, calling out anyone that will fight him and he's getting dodged. In his last 4 fights, he's got 9 knockdowns. Name another boxer in your dream world top 147 pounders that has that kind of statistic facing world class boxers? Last weekend, he stepped into the ring with talented boxer that outweighed him and giving up 4 inches in reach, he clearly outboxed Vargas and got the win. I found the victory to be impressive and those that don't, are probably Floyd Rump Swabs that were never going to be impressed anyway.

Is Manny's output down? Sure. He was the most dynamic boxer in the history of the sport. He also fought carelessly and suffered the ultimate penalty for doing so. JMM put him to sleep and now he's smarter in the ring to stay away from the defenseless all out assault he's famous for. But that's being smart. He's winning. More impressively than Floyd's garbage victories where his opponent wouldn't have a scratch on his face or even come close to touching the canvas. Floyd's has ONE knockdown in his last 9 fights and that was a dive by Ortiz and a bush league exchange. Manny's winning using his head, just like your hero Floyd. But Manny is doing it with lethal punching as well.