Underrated wins for great fighters

Post Reply
SaadOffTheDeck
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 19602
Joined: 04 Jun 2009, 07:38

Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by SaadOffTheDeck »

Shockingly, I'll start with Hearns/Andries. Rolling from 54 to 75 against a cinderblock. Not that I was worried about him losing, but I expected more Motor City Cobra and he bounced Dennis off the canvas like a ball.
Seamus
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 17090
Joined: 31 Jul 2005, 23:38

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by Seamus »

That was one of those fights that silences guys who think Hearns would be in trouble if he ever had to face a top opponent at 175.
Counter-puncher
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 39141
Joined: 20 May 2008, 11:41

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by Counter-puncher »

I don't think Durans performance in the win over Palomino gets quite enough credit. Palomino wasn't an ATG but he was a really solid fighter, and he just got beat up like a 10 fight novice, its not just that Duran is landing punch after punch, Palomino can barely land a glove on him, its an astonishing display of skill and ring nous to make a good fighter like Palomino look so limited.
Counter-puncher
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 39141
Joined: 20 May 2008, 11:41

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by Counter-puncher »

Not sure Olivares gets enough love for the Chacon wins

Or Chacon for the Lopez win, maybe.
gilgamesh
Cruiserweight
Posts: 46550
Joined: 02 Sep 2010, 16:21

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by gilgamesh »

James Toney doesn't get enough credit for his win over Tim Littles. He had a very severe cut over his eye that was about to cause the fight to be stopped, and he came right out and stopped Tim Littles in the next round. Awesome stuff.
Kalan
Super Middleweight
Posts: 10083
Joined: 23 Sep 2012, 23:22

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by Kalan »

ginty wrote:I'll stick with hearns at 175 and his win over virgil hill himself a very good world champ
I'll stick with Iran Barkley's 2nd win over Thomas Hearns... Barkley won the title that Hearns won from feather punching Virgil Hill.. If feather punching Hill could ever box as well as Jimmy Young at his peak, I would excuse his lack of power.. How can you lose to Dariusz Michalcewzski, a guy who was outboxed by the slow as molasses and hittable as a piñata, Juilo Gonzalez ... in Germany no less.

How about underrated wins for terrible, average, and good fighters over great fighters???? ... Everybody rates ATG's... Others have good wins too

Terry Norris over Sugar Ray Leonard... Ralph Jones over Sugar Ray Robinson... Max Schmeling over Joe Louis... Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson... Leon Spinks over Muhammad Ali... Joey Maxim over Sugar Ray Robinson... Oliver McCall's 2-round KO of Lennox Lewis... Corrie Sanders' 2-round KO of Wladimir Klitschko... Billy Bakus's stoppage of Jose Napoles... Kirland Laing's victory over Roberto Duran... Sammy Angott's win over Willie Pep... Joey Giardello's win over Dick Tiger... Marty Marshall's victory over prime Sonny Liston... Nobody really cared that much about the winner... The whole story was about the loser -- and the winner got lost in the discussion.

In contrast -- Ingemar Johansson's victory over Floyd Patterson was celebrated to death... I couldn't believe the world, and in particular the USA, made such a fuss over an unknown Swedish foreigner, who couldn't box a lick, psetting a great World Champion because he could punch.. It went on for months and months while Johansson made public appearances, and shilled for razor blades and every other product out there.. Ingo was a phenomenon who could barely speak English.. Just why people went crazy over Ingo??? I'm not too sure.. Patterson knocked Ingo dead in the rematch and rubber match.. He never got a commercial.. Patterson had a pretty dry personality to say the least.

Charisma is something that's very hard to figure out.. Dempsey had it... Louis had it... Ali had it... Robinson had it... Tyson had it... Joshua has it... Mayweather had it... Pacquiao has it... Too me Donald Trump doesn't have it and I don't see his appeal.. Too many people, apparently he has it.
ClivePatrickLyons
Super Welterweight
Posts: 2811
Joined: 07 Aug 2014, 22:10

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by ClivePatrickLyons »

Mike Tyson nearly killed Larry Holmes at the time Holmes was considered so over the hill that no one gave Tyson any credit not so much for the win but how he Knocked Holmes The F.ck out no one ever did it again :clap:
elmersalsa
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 15708
Joined: 02 Feb 2003, 03:50

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by elmersalsa »

Counter-puncher wrote:I don't think Durans performance in the win over Palomino gets quite enough credit. Palomino wasn't an ATG but he was a really solid fighter, and he just got beat up like a 10 fight novice, its not just that Duran is landing punch after punch, Palomino can barely land a glove on him, its an astonishing display of skill and ring nous to make a good fighter like Palomino look so limited.
:TU: :TU: :TU:
Keko
Welterweight
Posts: 682
Joined: 15 Apr 2016, 01:42

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by Keko »

Definitely Esteban De Jesus over Duran ,Sanders over Wladimir Klitschko and Joey Giardello over Dick Tiger
elmersalsa
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 15708
Joined: 02 Feb 2003, 03:50

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by elmersalsa »

ginty wrote:I'll stick with hearns at 175 and his win over virgil hill himself a very good world champ
A great colossal win. No doubt about it.
To me, his victory over the great Wilfred Benitez gotta be his most underrated win a la Virgil Hill type of win.

He outboxed the boxer with using the jab perfectly. He even broke his right hand in that fight, and still he came victorious. A great performance by the Hitman. I think not too many people give him too much credit about that win.

In my view, he beat Benitez better than the great Sugar Ray Leonard.
scartissue
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 1893
Joined: 31 Mar 2002, 20:00

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by scartissue »

A very jaded, over-the-hill Ruben Olivares knocking out the unknockoutable Jose Luis Ramirez in 2 rounds.
SaadOffTheDeck
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 19602
Joined: 04 Jun 2009, 07:38

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by SaadOffTheDeck »

Pedroza demolishing Pat Ford after he arguably beat Sanchez.
Counter-puncher
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 39141
Joined: 20 May 2008, 11:41

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by Counter-puncher »

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Pedroza demolishing Pat Ford after he arguably beat Sanchez.
Nice call
Bodyshot3
Middleweight
Posts: 9791
Joined: 31 Dec 2013, 15:19

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by Bodyshot3 »

Shockingly, I'll start with Hearns/Andries. Rolling from 54 to 75 against a cinderblock. Not that I was worried about him losing, but I expected more Motor City Cobra and he bounced Dennis off the canvas like a ball.
Good call, especially as Andries would forcibly prove to be far from finished and would be a bona fide world champ again.
Dennis may well have been the hardest SOB to have ever emerged from a London gym for decades; absolutely everyone got a hard night.

Whether Carl Froch is a great - opposed to just being a very good fighter - will be debated for years to come.

But I still think that some of Carl's wins and the series of fights he went through against top-level opposition is sometimes dismissed too easily.

The Groves fights were entertaning and high-profile but the way he dealt with Kessler second time round was superb and the way he went over to America and beat Taylor - having not got out of the traps - impressed me. British fighters don't tend to defend in the US first-up!
gregor
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 422
Joined: 27 Feb 2002, 20:00

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by gregor »

Kalan wrote: How can you lose to Dariusz Michalcewzski, a guy who was outboxed by the slow as molasses and hittable as a piñata, Juilo Gonzalez ... in Germany no less.
By the same token:
How can you lose to James Toney, a guy who was outboxed by virtual nobodies like Gavern and Ellis?
Tomasino
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7876
Joined: 24 Apr 2010, 16:39

Re: Underrated wins for great fighters

Post by Tomasino »

Alexis Arguellos wins over Escalera and young Boza Edwards.
Post Reply