SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't rate fighters on whom I think would win a fight. As for Roy, play with kalan. You know the divisions, I'm not indulging you
1. So you rate Ali higher than Wilt?Kalan wrote:If you don't rate boxers on who they would beat -- what would you rate them on??? On who other people think they would beat??? Makes no sense.
I rate boxers on their size, strength, toughness, speed, power, overall athleticism, intelligence, dedication, emotional maturity, and the completeness of their game -- their mastery of the varied skills of both offense and defense. You try to remove bias from your mind and likes and dislikes. Then it's a matter of determining who would beat who. Ranking somebody because they were extremely popular, or because know-nothing "experts" say they were great, is not the way to do it.
Most of the time when you look at the defeats of extremely popular boxers like Tyson, Ali, Robinson, De La Hoya, Frazier, Armstrong, Louis, etc. you see major upsets in their careers. Matchups that had all the experts fooled. Often several defeats by the same very popular boxer were significant upsets.. It's something to keep in mind when ranking boxers. Don't rank fighters according to likability, popularity, charisma, general public acclaim, or where the odds and the clueless experts put them.. You need to separate yourself from the hype, legend, myth, and BS and get away from fantasy scenarios.. What's real is what happens during the fight and who wins -- and who is ready and willing to fight who.
keithmoonhangover wrote:1. So you rate Ali higher than Wilt?Kalan wrote:If you don't rate boxers on who they would beat -- what would you rate them on??? On who other people think they would beat??? Makes no sense.
I rate boxers on their size, strength, toughness, speed, power, overall athleticism, intelligence, dedication, emotional maturity, and the completeness of their game -- their mastery of the varied skills of both offense and defense. You try to remove bias from your mind and likes and dislikes. Then it's a matter of determining who would beat who. Ranking somebody because they were extremely popular, or because know-nothing "experts" say they were great, is not the way to do it.
Most of the time when you look at the defeats of extremely popular boxers like Tyson, Ali, Robinson, De La Hoya, Frazier, Armstrong, Louis, etc. you see major upsets in their careers. Matchups that had all the experts fooled. Often several defeats by the same very popular boxer were significant upsets.. It's something to keep in mind when ranking boxers. Don't rank fighters according to likability, popularity, charisma, general public acclaim, or where the odds and the clueless experts put them.. You need to separate yourself from the hype, legend, myth, and BS and get away from fantasy scenarios.. What's real is what happens during the fight and who wins -- and who is ready and willing to fight who.
I used to work in a mental hospital. #justsayingTomasino wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:1. So you rate Ali higher than Wilt?Kalan wrote:If you don't rate boxers on who they would beat -- what would you rate them on??? On who other people think they would beat??? Makes no sense.
I rate boxers on their size, strength, toughness, speed, power, overall athleticism, intelligence, dedication, emotional maturity, and the completeness of their game -- their mastery of the varied skills of both offense and defense. You try to remove bias from your mind and likes and dislikes. Then it's a matter of determining who would beat who. Ranking somebody because they were extremely popular, or because know-nothing "experts" say they were great, is not the way to do it.
Most of the time when you look at the defeats of extremely popular boxers like Tyson, Ali, Robinson, De La Hoya, Frazier, Armstrong, Louis, etc. you see major upsets in their careers. Matchups that had all the experts fooled. Often several defeats by the same very popular boxer were significant upsets.. It's something to keep in mind when ranking boxers. Don't rank fighters according to likability, popularity, charisma, general public acclaim, or where the odds and the clueless experts put them.. You need to separate yourself from the hype, legend, myth, and BS and get away from fantasy scenarios.. What's real is what happens during the fight and who wins -- and who is ready and willing to fight who.
Did he just mention "hype, legend, myth and fantasy scenarios" but directed at other posters?
Mans a raving lunatic.
Well Kalan?keithmoonhangover wrote:1. So you rate Ali higher than Wilt?Kalan wrote:If you don't rate boxers on who they would beat -- what would you rate them on??? On who other people think they would beat??? Makes no sense.
I rate boxers on their size, strength, toughness, speed, power, overall athleticism, intelligence, dedication, emotional maturity, and the completeness of their game -- their mastery of the varied skills of both offense and defense. You try to remove bias from your mind and likes and dislikes. Then it's a matter of determining who would beat who. Ranking somebody because they were extremely popular, or because know-nothing "experts" say they were great, is not the way to do it.
Most of the time when you look at the defeats of extremely popular boxers like Tyson, Ali, Robinson, De La Hoya, Frazier, Armstrong, Louis, etc. you see major upsets in their careers. Matchups that had all the experts fooled. Often several defeats by the same very popular boxer were significant upsets.. It's something to keep in mind when ranking boxers. Don't rank fighters according to likability, popularity, charisma, general public acclaim, or where the odds and the clueless experts put them.. You need to separate yourself from the hype, legend, myth, and BS and get away from fantasy scenarios.. What's real is what happens during the fight and who wins -- and who is ready and willing to fight who.
keithmoonhangover wrote:I used to work in a mental hospital. #justsayingTomasino wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:
1. So you rate Ali higher than Wilt?
Did he just mention "hype, legend, myth and fantasy scenarios" but directed at other posters?
Mans a raving lunatic.
You sure belong in a mental hospital... You had a fantasy you worked there... You were really a patient and you must have escaped. Everybody wanted to see the Chamberlain-Ali fight except Ali you idiot... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0skeithmoonhangover wrote:I used to work in a mental hospital. #justsayingTomasino wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:
1. So you rate Ali higher than Wilt?
Did he just mention "hype, legend, myth and fantasy scenarios" but directed at other posters?
Mans a raving lunatic.
Everyone? Are you sure about that? Saying everyone except me, means that every person everywhere wanted to see the fight. Have you travelled back in time and canvassed the opinion of everyone?Kalan wrote:[Everybody wanted to see the Chamberlain-Ali fight except Ali you idiot...
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Strange that following Boxing for 4 decades I never ran into anyone that wanted to see Ali/Wilt.
No way and no chance.elmersalsa wrote:I can't see how can any pro athlete would want to step into the ring with a real professional boxer?
Boxing is one of the hardest sports to make a living. These men are accustomed to take one good shot after another. I am talking about the real pro boxers. Not the goofy journeymen.
We must have met the exact same people, because I never met anyone either. By late father always said it was a joke and a publicity stunt. I tend to agree.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Strange that following Boxing for 4 decades I never ran into anyone that wanted to see Ali/Wilt.
Not even on message boards.keithmoonhangover wrote:We must have met the exact same people, because I never met anyone either. By late father always said it was a joke and a publicity stunt. I tend to agree.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Strange that following Boxing for 4 decades I never ran into anyone that wanted to see Ali/Wilt.
Message boards filled with boxing fans, who love boxing.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Not even on message boards.keithmoonhangover wrote:We must have met the exact same people, because I never met anyone either. By late father always said it was a joke and a publicity stunt. I tend to agree.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Strange that following Boxing for 4 decades I never ran into anyone that wanted to see Ali/Wilt.
Can you please answer this.keithmoonhangover wrote:Well Kalan?keithmoonhangover wrote:1. So you rate Ali higher than Wilt?Kalan wrote:If you don't rate boxers on who they would beat -- what would you rate them on??? On who other people think they would beat??? Makes no sense.
I rate boxers on their size, strength, toughness, speed, power, overall athleticism, intelligence, dedication, emotional maturity, and the completeness of their game -- their mastery of the varied skills of both offense and defense. You try to remove bias from your mind and likes and dislikes. Then it's a matter of determining who would beat who. Ranking somebody because they were extremely popular, or because know-nothing "experts" say they were great, is not the way to do it.
Most of the time when you look at the defeats of extremely popular boxers like Tyson, Ali, Robinson, De La Hoya, Frazier, Armstrong, Louis, etc. you see major upsets in their careers. Matchups that had all the experts fooled. Often several defeats by the same very popular boxer were significant upsets.. It's something to keep in mind when ranking boxers. Don't rank fighters according to likability, popularity, charisma, general public acclaim, or where the odds and the clueless experts put them.. You need to separate yourself from the hype, legend, myth, and BS and get away from fantasy scenarios.. What's real is what happens during the fight and who wins -- and who is ready and willing to fight who.
Seamus wrote:Will you guys STFU with this stupid ass Wilt Chamberlain crap that's inundating the forum. It wasn't funny the first day it was up, and now it's in a thread about greatest Middleweight boxers of alltime.
Wilt v. Ali - I remember it as a kid, we talked about it for a week then it went away. Amazed it gets so much attention here.keithmoonhangover wrote:We must have met the exact same people, because I never met anyone either. By late father always said it was a joke and a publicity stunt. I tend to agree.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Strange that following Boxing for 4 decades I never ran into anyone that wanted to see Ali/Wilt.
APerno wrote:Wilt v. Ali - I remember it as a kid, we talked about it for a week then it went away. Amazed it gets so much attention here.keithmoonhangover wrote:We must have met the exact same people, because I never met anyone either. By late father always said it was a joke and a publicity stunt. I tend to agree.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Strange that following Boxing for 4 decades I never ran into anyone that wanted to see Ali/Wilt.