who won kovalev or ward ? *

caldo2025 · Post by **caldo2025** » 20 Nov 2016, 11:22

I agree that the fight was close. I scored the fight for Kovalev by two points and that's after giving Ward the majority of the rounds in the second half of the fight.

The problem is that Ward did not land a right hand the whole fight. If you take the knockdown out of the situation then i could see Ward somehow grabbing the decision but with the knockdown involved, it's criminal to see the fight for Ward. He did NOTHING. ZERO. Little slap jabs do not win fights. But in reality, Kovalev wasn't smart enough to know that he needed to do more than just win this fight. He had to leave no doubt which is ridiculous being that he's the champion. I'm disgusted with Boxing AGAIN. I might be done.

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 20 Nov 2016, 11:34

boxingforum24:

Yes, Kovalev should have won 113 vote(s) 71.5%
No, I thought Ward won 45 vote(s) 28.5%

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 20 Nov 2016, 11:35

Cmon- you can't really use that site as a credible source.

Tanzio · Post by **Tanzio** » 20 Nov 2016, 11:42

All the Russians that I had over last night had Krusher winning. The one's that have a clue knew that it was close. The others are casuals and they were simply wrong like Lederman (who has been glue factory worthy for at least half a decade).

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 20 Nov 2016, 11:44

It was a very close fight. It wasn't a robbery though.

Srebmun · Post by **Srebmun** » 20 Nov 2016, 11:53

I had my money on Kov but gut feeling at the time I had Ward nicking it, just. Definitely no robbery IMO.

Will watch if again during the week.

The Insider · Post by **The Insider** » 20 Nov 2016, 12:06

Anyone who thinks either won by more than 2 or 3 rounds really doesnt know what they are watching. It's wasn't controversial or a robbery. It was very nip and tuck and some rounds were very difficult to score. Either could have just nicked it. Wouldn't mind seeing the actual punchstats for each round.

SFW · Post by **SFW** » 20 Nov 2016, 12:11

115-112 Kovalev to 114-113 Ward is the range I think makes sense. Its not like all these rounds were easy to score. Lost in all this crying and whining and excuses is a great comeback from Ward after being dominated early. Won't hear much about that though. The fearsome Kovalev failed to deliver on most of your ko predictions, so much so he even let Ward come back and steal the fight! Rematch, and Sergei can attempt to deliver on your failed promises again.

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 20 Nov 2016, 13:33

115-112 Kovalev, 114-113 Kovalev if i am kindly to Ward. There was bigger roberries but Andre Ward received gift from judges. Btw it is unbelievable that all his holding and clinching are tolerated for years (like Clinchko)

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 20 Nov 2016, 15:08

All polls I have seen show Kovalev winning, but the only poll which matters was the three corrupt judges.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 20 Nov 2016, 15:10

Kovalev clearly won the fight. Ward didn't clearly win a single round.

Jip · Post by **Jip** » 20 Nov 2016, 15:20

boxing_rocks wrote:All polls I have seen show Kovalev winning, but the only poll which matters was the three corrupt judges.

no...you know what is more important than judges or anything else. the truth.

when the truth, the reality of what happened says: one land more than the other, he landed the clearer much damaging shots, than the truth decides who won and who lost. the truth is kovalev and that poor latin guy won.

Freedom2013 · Post by **Freedom2013** » 20 Nov 2016, 15:25

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Tanzio · Post by **Tanzio** » 20 Nov 2016, 15:59

Jip wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:All polls I have seen show Kovalev winning, but the only poll which matters was the three corrupt judges.

no...you know what is more important than judges or anything else. the truth.

when the truth, the reality of what happened says: one land more than the other, he landed the clearer much damaging shots, than the truth decides who won and who lost. the truth is kovalev and that poor latin guy won.

"The Truth" is that total punch stats do not matter (especially since they are so often inaccurate. Total damage does not matter unless the fight is stopped.

If the fight goes to a decision the only three things that matter are the three judges subjective opinion of who won the most individual rounds combined with the number of knockdowns and the number of points lost by penalty.

The truth is that the three judges subjectively scored 7-5 for Ward. Combined with the point lost by Ward for the knockdown, the subjective scores were unanimous, 114-113 Ward, which my realtime subjective scoring agreed with.

That is "the truth," along with the fact that there are a critical mass of whining bitches on this site.

I was rooting for a Krusher victory, btw.

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 20 Nov 2016, 16:35

All judges scoring the fight for Ward is indicative of the current climate of the sport. Going down the tubes. There's a big problem when a fighter is awarded for constantly initiating the wrestling and dirty fighting. Not only did Kovalev land more, his punches were more effective, and he scored a KD. Yet, the ugly fighter is unanimously awarded the decision. When you award crap, the sport becomes crap.

BitPlayer · Post by **BitPlayer** » 20 Nov 2016, 16:36

I thought Ward, but not by a lot. Mostly due to how many of Kovalevs punches didn't land cleanly.

I'd have had no issue with the judges scoring either way.

I think there should be a rematch.

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 20 Nov 2016, 16:40

Tanzio wrote:
Jip wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:All polls I have seen show Kovalev winning, but the only poll which matters was the three corrupt judges.

no...you know what is more important than judges or anything else. the truth.

when the truth, the reality of what happened says: one land more than the other, he landed the clearer much damaging shots, than the truth decides who won and who lost. the truth is kovalev and that poor latin guy won.
"The Truth" is that total punch stats do not matter (especially since they are so often inaccurate. Total damage does not matter unless the fight is stopped.

If the fight goes to a decision the only three things that matter are the three judges subjective opinion of who won the most individual rounds combined with the number of knockdowns and the number of points lost by penalty.

The truth is that the three judges subjectively scored 7-5 for Ward. Combined with the point lost by Ward for the knockdown, the subjective scores were unanimous, 114-113 Ward, which my realtime subjective scoring agreed with.

That is "the truth," along with the fact that there are a critical mass of whining bitches on this site.

I was rooting for a Krusher victory, btw.

"Subjectively" is a key word. All 3 gave round 10 to Ward, while I doubt that more than 1 percent of experts would do that. Was it an honest mistake? I strongly doubt. They gave round 10 to Ward, because they had to in order to let him win. Why? That is a question Nevada Sate Prosecutor should be asking.

samdance · Post by **samdance** » 20 Nov 2016, 16:52

This fight could never be called a robbery, I watched with no sound and no preference of either fighter and scored it 7-5 ward.

Out of interest, the folks stating that this was a robbery, how many were not rooting for krusher?

Tanzio · Post by **Tanzio** » 20 Nov 2016, 17:13

boxing_rocks wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
Jip wrote:

no...you know what is more important than judges or anything else. the truth.

when the truth, the reality of what happened says: one land more than the other, he landed the clearer much damaging shots, than the truth decides who won and who lost. the truth is kovalev and that poor latin guy won.
"The Truth" is that total punch stats do not matter (especially since they are so often inaccurate. Total damage does not matter unless the fight is stopped.

If the fight goes to a decision the only three things that matter are the three judges subjective opinion of who won the most individual rounds combined with the number of knockdowns and the number of points lost by penalty.

The truth is that the three judges subjectively scored 7-5 for Ward. Combined with the point lost by Ward for the knockdown, the subjective scores were unanimous, 114-113 Ward, which my realtime subjective scoring agreed with.

That is "the truth," along with the fact that there are a critical mass of whining bitches on this site.

I was rooting for a Krusher victory, btw.
"Subjectively" is a key word. All 3 gave round 10 to Ward, while I doubt that more than 1 percent of experts would do that. Was it an honest mistake? I strongly doubt. They gave round 10 to Ward, because they had to in order to let him win. Why? That is a question Nevada Sate Prosecutor should be asking.

Suggesting criminality relating to this particular decision is laughable.

Grailer · Post by **Grailer** » 20 Nov 2016, 18:45

So I heard Ward had won and watched fight.

By round 12 it appeared Ward needed to knockout to win
and since I knew he won fight I expected the knockout .

then I realised fight was fixed

Gimp Mask · Post by **Gimp Mask** » 20 Nov 2016, 19:18

Alright, the bout is all over youtube. I re-watched it, and I now believe Ward was the clear winner. I agree with the judges that Ward swept 7-11. Rounds 1 and 12 were also close and could've gone to Ward. I think Ward won rounds 3 and 5 as well.

I will favor Ward again in the rematch.

ClivePatrickLyons · Post by **ClivePatrickLyons** » 20 Nov 2016, 19:42

This fight was very close for Kovalev to carry on like he was Robbed without doubt and then mention this is sport it should not be political

you don't win a fight in the first 3 round's in the second half of the fight Kovalev right hand was taking out of the picture all together he was looking to land it all night and forgot about his powerful jab that was the Russian's big mistake and when he did land with right hand wich wasn't a lot the punch didn't seem to have the kick to it like in round's 1/2/3 the longer the fight went the slower Kovalev got he was catching thin air [I would love to know how many time's Kovalev caught fresh air in the last 6 round's] Ward body work was a big reason Kovalev slowed up the last 6 round's the commentary was pathetic Bob Sheridan was a class above every other boxing commentator in the world but now he's past his used by date they were dribbling sh.t when punch's were being landed especially body work from Ward I had it 8/4 Ward in round's 115/112 all 3 judge's seen it 7/5 for Ward 114/113 and Kathy Duva if I was in Kovalev shoe's i'd be asking her for a please explain why the judge's were all American that's your manager's job Krusher.

you looked to land your favourite punch [the right hand] all night long the problem was you just couldn't find it because Andre hid it from you.

Taansend · Post by **Taansend** » 20 Nov 2016, 20:23

Enlightened-One wrote:
Taansend wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote: The thoughts you're trying to convey about the UK commentary team do not bear any correlation to the actual words articulated. In fact, I'd even suggest that you attend adult education about the English language and then listen again to the same sentences that you originally misinterpreted... and then retract your claims about this matter from the forum.
This last statement really didn't help you unless you're ten years old and doing an English test.
I wasn't commenting about your post. Instead I merely tried to humorously undermine someone making a hideously dishonest claim about the UK commentary team.

Well it confused the fornicate out of me

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 20 Nov 2016, 20:25

samdance wrote:This fight could never be called a robbery, I watched with no sound and no preference of either fighter and scored it 7-5 ward.

Out of interest, the folks stating that this was a robbery, how many were not rooting for krusher?

I was cheering for Kovalev but I had a good sized bet on ward by decision.

Mr. Plainview · Post by **Mr. Plainview** » 20 Nov 2016, 20:33

I've watched the fight twice now. Firstly, it wasn't a robbery, it was a close fight. A robbery is when one fighter clearly dominates the fight with ease and the judges bend him over regardless. 'Robbery" and "exposed" are the most annoying and overused terms in boxing. Anyways, watching it live the first time I thought Kov had won it by the KD difference (so basically a draw). On second watch, I'd say it was an actual draw. Ward was doing a lot of subtle things in the second half that were sapping the energy out of Kov quite a bit, and Ward pretty much controlled the distance and pace of fight in the second half. That said though, Kov showed his boxing acumen and proved he's much more than a power punching come forward fighter. Either way, Ward got given the decision, but I had it a draw on second viewing when I watched it alone.

People keep saying Ward will duck the rematch, I don't agree. He took the fight in the first place and now he knows exactly what he's dealing with.

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