What Do Ye Mean "Styles Make Fights"?

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 22 Nov 2016, 00:29

I never got it. What do you mean by the statement "Styles Makes Fights" crap?

Please, explain?

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 22 Nov 2016, 01:31

Easy... If you have the right style for your opponent - the fight becomes so much easier for you.

George Foreman was able to murder Ken Norton and Joe Frazier with little effort... Both those men beat Muhammad Ali, but they were perfect opponents for Foreman's style -- George was a murderous puncher with a powerhouse jab and brutal hooks and upppercuts... Norton and Frazier led with their heads and were right in Foreman's wheelhouse where they were quickly annihilated... but they were both able to stay right on top of the softer punching Ali, put a head on him, and out work him.

Foreman was a killer puncher IF you stayed in front of him -- but he could be easily outboxed... Jimmy Young and Muhammad Ali both kept their heads back much better than Norton or Frazier.. They were skillful boxers with pinking jabs.. Foreman put too much strength on his jab so Jimmy and Ali could see them coming and avoid them.. Foreman's loaded up power shots they were able to time and counter.. Norton beat Young by staying on the feather hitter, and I'm sure Frazier would have beaten Young too -- but Jimmy had the perfect "style" for Foreman... "Styles Make Fights"

davie · Post by **davie** » 22 Nov 2016, 06:55

I've always been interested in this. People talk about the match ups different styles will throw up "styles make fights" and some also talk about different styles giving a fighter an edge over an opponent when you hear people say "it's all about styles".

The logic goes that 2 defensive boxers will make a dull fight, 2 sluggers will make a war and a boxer vs puncher is the perfect match up.

But it so seldom works like that.
In the boxer vs the boxer match up, particularly if they both like to back pedal, someone has to break the mold and become the aggressor and this can throw up interesting contrasts.
Throwing 2 punchers together won't automatically throw up a war. Sometimes one will realise the other has too much power or too great a workrate and have to change his approach. Or perhaps they do both go at it and it results in a scrappy fight or one with too much clinching as either man is used to having the chase an opponent

The boxer/puncher match up also doesn't always throw up the same kind of contest. As simply labelling someone "boxer" or "puncher" is far too simplistic and doesn't take into account the various facets of their game.
Take the weekends big fight. Ward is classed as a defensive fighter but is strong, fairly heavy handed, great on the inside and doesn't mind a bit dirty in fighting. Kovalev is a puncher, no doubt, but he can also box when he needs to, as shown against Hopkins and Ward.

The fight was good quality, but most would have liked to see a bit more action. Where as looking at another high profile "boxer/puncher" match up, Pacquiao vs Mayweather was not a great entertaining bout, yet Pacquiao vs Marquez bouts were. Because although some might call Marquez a boxer, he'll stand toe to toe with you.

So although I see what people mean by "Styles make fights" there are a lot of false assumptions made regards how styles will mesh

davie · Post by **davie** » 22 Nov 2016, 06:57

Kalan wrote:Easy... If you have the right style for your opponent - the fight becomes so much easier for you.

George Foreman was able to murder Ken Norton and Joe Frazier with little effort... Both those men beat Muhammad Ali, but they were perfect opponents for Foreman's style -- George was a murderous puncher with a powerhouse jab and brutal hooks and upppercuts... Norton and Frazier led with their heads and were right in Foreman's wheelhouse where they were quickly annihilated... but they were both able to stay right on top of the softer punching Ali, put a head on him, and out work him.

Foreman was a killer puncher IF you stayed in front of him -- but he could be easily outboxed... Jimmy Young and Muhammad Ali both kept their heads back much better than Norton or Frazier.. They were skillful boxers with pinking jabs.. Foreman put too much strength on his jab so Jimmy and Ali could see them coming and avoid them.. Foreman's loaded up power shots they were able to time and counter.. Norton beat Young by staying on the feather hitter, and I'm sure Frazier would have beaten Young too -- but Jimmy had the perfect "style" for Foreman... "Styles Make Fights"

Some good examples!

What I would say however, and I suppose this is just down to how you interpret the statements, when people say "styles make fights" I've always took that to mean the 2 styles of the opposing boxers dictate the type or style of fight you'd expect to see.

Where as what you discussed there is more to do with certain styles being the perfect foil for another type of fighter, which I've always taken to be what people mean when they say " it's all about styles"
Some say "it's all about levels" and others "it's all about styles" when in truth it's a mixture of the 2.
If you are at the same or similar level to your opponent, your approach to the fight and style will dictate the outcome. You could be a level below your opponent and your particular style could close the gap.
Where as if you're domestic level and you meet a world class opponent, you can come in with the perfect style, the ideal game plan to negate your opponents strengths and you'll still lose because the other man is far better.

The case of our 1970s heavyweights is an example of several top class fighters at a similar level, where as you point out, styles very much decided the result
"It's all about styles"
In terms of "styles make fights" they were classics encounters, because in so many occasions the syles meshed so well to make them great.

That's my take on those phrases anyway

Tony1244 · Post by **Tony1244** » 22 Nov 2016, 11:55

Ali vs Foreman or Ali vs Frazier were great intriguing matchups.

Ali vs Rudi Lubbers, not so much.

Bugner and Jimmy Young were talented boxers who took a good shot. Frazier vs Bugner and Young vs Foreman had some interesting moments.

But if Bugner had fought Jimmy Young it would be like watching paint dry.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 22 Nov 2016, 12:03

Are we saying that Lennox Lewis beats the great Evander Holyfield every time? I don't buy that. That wasn't a prime Real Deal.

Are we saying that Big George beats Smokin' Joe every time? I don't think that that was the great Joe Frazier of Fight of the Century.

Are we saying that Big George loses to The Greatest all the time?

How about the great Thomas Hearns vs the Hands of Stone at welterweight? Does Tommy destroys that Duran in Montreal every time?

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 22 Nov 2016, 12:09

Styles makes fights is one of those cringe worthy phrases. You can just picture people stroking their beards and thinking they are saying something profound when they say it.

Styles don't make fights. They can make a difference if the talent level is close.

Take three fighters that are close talent wise. Maybe Fighter A is a slick boxer (not a hard puncher) and beats Fighter B (a hard puncher) who can't catch him with many clean shots. Then Fighter A loses to Fighter C in part because Fighter C is really good at cutting off the ring. However, Fighter C is able to catch Fighter B who has a mediocre chin.
Those kinds of things can happen if the fighters are reasonably closely matched.

However, if one fighter is much better than the other, he going to beat him even if supposedly the other fighter's style would on paper seem to bother him.

If you are way better than your opponent, there has to be advantages that you can do to win. He may give you more trouble than you might think, but you will almost always beat him if you are clearly better.

Tomasino · Post by **Tomasino** » 22 Nov 2016, 12:12

elmersalsa wrote:Are we saying that Lennox Lewis beats the great Evander Holyfield every time? I don't buy that. That wasn't a prime Real Deal.

Are we saying that Big George beats Smokin' Joe every time? I don't think that that was the great Joe Frazier of Fight of the Century.

Are we saying that Big George loses to The Greatest all the time?

How about the great Thomas Hearns vs the Hands of Stone at welterweight? Does Tommy destroys that Duran in Montreal every time?

I think the others were great examples but I sadly think that Hearns does knock out the great Duran almost everytime they fight. I don't want it to be so but can't see anyway for Duran to beat him. It was said in Duran biography that Tommy Hearns was the only man to intimidate Roberto...

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 22 Nov 2016, 16:15

elmersalsa wrote:Are we saying that Lennox Lewis beats the great Evander Holyfield every time? I don't buy that. That wasn't a prime Real Deal.

Are we saying that Big George beats Smokin' Joe every time? I don't think that that was the great Joe Frazier of Fight of the Century.

Are we saying that Big George loses to The Greatest all the time?

How about the great Thomas Hearns vs the Hands of Stone at welterweight? Does Tommy destroys that Duran in Montreal every time?

Lewis would beat Holyfield most of the time, because he was so much bigger, taller, stronger, and longer ...

Foreman would beat Frazier every time.. It's like Floyd Patterson vs Sonny Liston.. You have a smaller, weaker guy who likes to get close and throw.

Foreman might have beaten Young and Ali if he were in perfect condition at 217 like he was for the first Frazier fight. And if he learned how to relax, pace, and defend himself, like he did to a degree after his comeback. If he concentrated on easing off his punches so he could land them instead of trying to tear somebody's head off and missing by a mile. Foreman scored the first knockdown over Ken Norton by hitting him with 5 straight rights - nice and easy and with pinpoint accuracy. I was shocked because he usually took such big swings. But when you have overwhelming confidence you can beat somebody all the anxiety and pressure disappear. Your form will get better. Like a basketball player who's hit 5 shots in a row from the 3-point line and his team is winning by 20-points in the 4th. He shoots another 3 and it swishes through with barely a ripple, so perfect, smooth and easy it's ridiculous.

And that's the type of confidence Hearns had against Duran at 154. If you have 6" in height and 12" in reach on somebody, and you know 154 is a great weight for you---and not the perfect weight for your opponent, the stars are aligned in your favor. A boxer can handle a few inches of height and reach disparity. It's usually not the biggest problem -- because often he's stronger physically, or a better boxer and puncher than his opponent. But if your opponent is stronger than you---and can box and punch pretty well---there's a certain # of inches where the height and reach disparities starts to kill your chances.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 23 Nov 2016, 00:50

Tomasino wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:Are we saying that Lennox Lewis beats the great Evander Holyfield every time? I don't buy that. That wasn't a prime Real Deal.

Are we saying that Big George beats Smokin' Joe every time? I don't think that that was the great Joe Frazier of Fight of the Century.

Are we saying that Big George loses to The Greatest all the time?

How about the great Thomas Hearns vs the Hands of Stone at welterweight? Does Tommy destroys that Duran in Montreal every time?

I think the others were great examples but I sadly think that Hearns does knock out the great Duran almost everytime they fight. I don't want it to be so but can't see anyway for Duran to beat him. It was said in Duran biography that Tommy Hearns was the only man to intimidate Roberto...

I could see The Hitman beating The Hands of Stone at 154lbs and beyond. I can't picture The Hitman at 154lbs getting beat by the great Roberto Duran or beyond that weight class. Duran was not as fast as he was at 135 or 147lbs. I can't see the greats like Sugar Ray Leonard beating Tommy at 154lbs or beyond that weight class either. I can't see the greats like Wilfred Benitez nor Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles beating The Hitman at 154lbs, neither. The great Thomas Hearns at 154lbs was as perfect as any other fighter I have seen at any weight class. I liked seeing him perform at 154lbs way much better than at 147lbs. At 147lbs, he looked too frailed and his legs were not as strong. At 154lbs, he had STURDIER LEGS and hit harder, and his speed was as fast as when he was at 147. He was like a god a 154lbs. Especially when he was wearing those golden Kronk Team trunks. He looked perfect. I haven't seen nothing similar.

But, at 147lbs, the great Roberto Duran that I saw in Montreal was so extraordinary that I just picture no version of Hearns at 147lbs beating him. Duran that night was out of this world. One of all time greatest boxing performances.

The same I gotta say about Smokin' Joe. On FOTC, I can't picture no heavyweight in history beating that fighting machine. You want to see a fighting machine, well, Frazier was one on that night. When Big George beat him, Smokin' Joe wasn't near his best. He looked flat two fights before the night in Jamaica. Ron Stander nor Billy Daniels would have never last more than 2 rounds each with the fighting machine that Smokin' Joe was.

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 23 Nov 2016, 01:33

golden oldie wrote:Though it pains me to say it, Floyd Mayweather was a perfect example of a fighter ADAPTING to the other guy's style of fighting. If he was a slugger / pressure fighter, Mayweather would simply stay out of range and out box the guy, by countering him. If the guy thought he was a boxer, Maywether would simply stand in range and time him landing more shots, and harder ones at that.

The Mayweather-Mosley fight was real interesting.. Because Mayweather took big chances he never takes.. He was nailed really hard and sent wobbling around after he threw on instantaneous clinches when he almost dropped in the 2nd.. After the referee separated them Floyd attacked Mosley like crazy instead of clinching or running.. It was a little weird to see from Floyd -- but Mosley was thrown off.. Shane was surprised and didn't follow up well.. When Floyd got back to the corner Roger was telling him "you don't need to get into exchanges and get knocked out. Just box him." ... Floyd had a sly smile on his face as Roger was talking like "FK NO.. I'm going to attack the mama."

Floyd attacked Mosley hard for the entire 3rd round.. That's NOT what you do in a round after you've been hurt real bad---but it worked.. Mosley pulled his horns in and did sh!t for the duration.. Mosley did the same thing after Vernon Forrest almost blew him away in the 2nd round of their 1st fight.. Shane had a great 1st round but Vernon almost knocked him out in the 2nd.. Shane didn't do crap for the rest of the fight.. He lost like 119-107 on my card.. Maybe Floyd noted that.

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 23 Nov 2016, 02:23

elmersalsa wrote: The same I gotta say about Smokin' Joe. On FOTC, I can't picture no heavyweight in history beating that fighting machine. You want to see a fighting machine, well, Frazier was one on that night. When Big George beat him, Smokin' Joe wasn't near his best. He looked flat two fights before the night in Jamaica. Ron Stander nor Billy Daniels would have never last more than 2 rounds each with the fighting machine that Smokin' Joe was.

Terry Daniels, Ron Stander, and Dave Zyglewitcz were cherry-picks -- disgraceful fights.. The style Joe Frazier did well against were boxers and counter-punchers.. Ellis, Ali, Quarry, and Machen were his meat.. He got dead in their nose holes, absorbed everything they threw Marciano style, and beat them up.. I don't think Frazier was interested in fighting big, tall, powerful punchers like Lyle or Foreman... Joe was only 5'11" X 203 at his best weight.. He couldn't press 170 pounds in Super Stars, so he was incredibly weak for a guy his size.. He was easy to hit because he stood in front of you and loaded left hooks.. Bonavena was as inept as Hell.. Ellis knocked him down twice and Ali stopped him.. Frazier couldn't even put Bonavena down and was knocked down twice because OB was a fair hitter.. Frazier couldn't put him away.

Frazier was forced to fight Foreman because he was the mandatory challenger... Foreman seemed 10 times as strong and Frazier looked scared... I anticipated a brutal 5 or 6 round beating with Foreman smashing Frazier out to end it -- but not what I saw... Frazier was a joke.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 23 Nov 2016, 02:43

It's a bit like saying boxing is rock-paper-scissors. The logic is that with a similar level of skill and natural ability:

A boxer beats a slugger
A slugger beats a swarmer and
A swarmer beats a boxer

The best example of this is Ali-Foreman-Frazier. Ali beat Foreman, Foreman annihilated Frazier, Frazier beat Ali. Of course, Ali went on to win the second and third Frazier fights, but Joe was past his best then and his was a young man's style, but he still made Ali work hard in every one of their fights.

Another example is how SRR struggled with Jake LaMotta, despite being far superior in boxing skills. The combination of LaMotta's size and swarming style gave him difficulties.

There are certainly exceptions to the rule. Kostya Tszyu was most definitely a puncher, but he was very successful against slick boxers (like Judah and Mitchell) and had more trouble with swarming, pressure fighters (like Hatton)

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 23 Nov 2016, 04:38

The way I describe it: everything being equal -- a boxer beats a puncher... a puncher beats a fighter... a fighter beats a boxer

Who has the best of all worlds??? ... A boxer-puncher who can attack well and mix well: Errol Spence... Gennady Golovkin... Vasyl Lomachenko... Anthony Joshua... Sergei Kovalev... Oleksander Usyk... Keith Thurman... Terence Crawford... MIkey Garcia... Chris Eubank... Nicholas Walters

They haven't lost or drew any fights except for 3 cold blooded robberies and a SD.

Who is a disaster looking for a place to happen??? ... Amir Khan... Manny Pacquiao... Joseph Parker... James DeGale... Leo Santa Cruz... Lee Selby... Lucas Browne... Tony Bellew...

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 23 Nov 2016, 04:45

I'm not saying Frazier was a disaster... But anyone who loads hooks like he did is going to get smashed versus a great right hand puncher.

gp. · Post by **gp.** » 23 Nov 2016, 09:02

Kalan wrote:The way I describe it: everything being equal -- a boxer beats a puncher... a puncher beats a fighter... a fighter beats a boxer

Who has the best of all worlds??? ... A boxer-puncher who can attack well and mix well: Errol Spence... Gennady Golovkin... Vasyl Lomachenko... Anthony Joshua... Sergei Kovalev... Oleksander Usyk... Keith Thurman... Terence Crawford... MIkey Garcia... Chris Eubank... Nicholas Walters

They haven't lost or drew any fights except for 3 cold blooded robberies and a SD.

Who is a disaster looking for a place to happen??? ... Amir Khan... Manny Pacquiao... Joseph Parker... James DeGale... Leo Santa Cruz... Lee Selby... Lucas Browne... Tony Bellew...

Manny Pacquaio had better hurry up and have that disaster before he retires.

gp. · Post by **gp.** » 23 Nov 2016, 09:04

Kalan wrote: Like a basketball player who's hit 5 shots in a row from the 3-point line and his team is winning by 20-points in the 4th. He shoots another 3 and it swishes through with barely a ripple, so perfect, smooth and easy it's ridiculous.

I find this hard to imagine. Do you by any chance have a photo of a basketball player you could post to help me out?

gp. · Post by **gp.** » 23 Nov 2016, 09:05

Kalan wrote: He couldn't press 170 pounds in Super Stars, so he was incredibly weak for a guy his size..

He couldn't even swim, you know!

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 23 Nov 2016, 09:11

elmersalsa wrote:Are we saying that Lennox Lewis beats the great Evander Holyfield every time? I don't buy that. That wasn't a prime Real Deal.

Are we saying that Big George beats Smokin' Joe every time? I don't think that that was the great Joe Frazier of Fight of the Century.

Are we saying that Big George loses to The Greatest all the time?

How about the great Thomas Hearns vs the Hands of Stone at welterweight? Does Tommy destroys that Duran in Montreal every time?

It all depends at what stage in their careers the relevant fighters are.

Lewis v Holyfield - If both are in their primes, it would be hard to call; I might even lean towards Evander, but only marginally.

Ali v Foreman - Remember, Ali wasn't even in his peak when he beat Foreman & Big George was bang in his. Foreman doesn't get anywhere near peak Ali '67 & he doesn't beat any other 'living' version of Ali up until about '75.

Hearns v Duran - Tommy might not have destroyed Duran '80 the way he did in '84, but he would always have been a nightmare for any little guy moving up to fight him.

gp. · Post by **gp.** » 23 Nov 2016, 10:09

golden oldie wrote:
gp. wrote:
Kalan wrote:The way I describe it: everything being equal -- a boxer beats a puncher... a puncher beats a fighter... a fighter beats a boxer

Who has the best of all worlds??? ... A boxer-puncher who can attack well and mix well: Errol Spence... Gennady Golovkin... Vasyl Lomachenko... Anthony Joshua... Sergei Kovalev... Oleksander Usyk... Keith Thurman... Terence Crawford... MIkey Garcia... Chris Eubank... Nicholas Walters

They haven't lost or drew any fights except for 3 cold blooded robberies and a SD.

Who is a disaster looking for a place to happen??? ... Amir Khan... Manny Pacquiao... Joseph Parker... James DeGale... Leo Santa Cruz... Lee Selby... Lucas Browne... Tony Bellew...

Manny Pacquaio had better hurry up and have that disaster before he retires.
I thought he already had in Marquez 4.

Bit of an odd definition of a disaster.

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 23 Nov 2016, 12:00

Syntax Error wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:Are we saying that Lennox Lewis beats the great Evander Holyfield every time? I don't buy that. That wasn't a prime Real Deal.

Are we saying that Big George beats Smokin' Joe every time? I don't think that that was the great Joe Frazier of Fight of the Century.

Are we saying that Big George loses to The Greatest all the time?

How about the great Thomas Hearns vs the Hands of Stone at welterweight? Does Tommy destroys that Duran in Montreal every time?
It all depends at what stage in their careers the relevant fighters are.

Lewis v Holyfield - If both are in their primes, it would be hard to call; I might even lean towards Evander, but only marginally.

Ali v Foreman - Remember, Ali wasn't even in his peak when he beat Foreman & Big George was bang in his. Foreman doesn't get anywhere near peak Ali '67 & he doesn't beat any other 'living' version of Ali up until about '75.

Hearns v Duran - Tommy might not have destroyed Duran '80 the way he did in '84, but he would always have been a nightmare for any little guy moving up to fight him.

Pretty much agree with this.
The thing with the swarmer/slugger/boxer analogy is that most fighters don't fit neatly into one of these three categories. Most are combination of at least two of these.

Holyfield was a little of everything. I think Holyfield-Lewis hard to call, but I would leans towards Holyfield in his prime.

Ali almost always going to beat foreman. Foreman's power which is more than enough 95% of the time, isn't enough against Ali's chin. He isn't going to outbox Ali. He probably doesn't have the stamina to outbusy Ali for 15 rounds. So how does he win. And as pointed out, there fight this was not against a prime Ali.

Duran would have a puncher's chance against Hearns. He could nail Hearns before he got nailed himself. If they fought enough times, that would happen once. However, Hearns would win most of the time. Hearns could be a slugger, a swarmer, or a boxer. He could beat Duran in several different ways.

Same with Frazier. He could nail Foreman before he himself got nailed. If he would get through the middle rounds, he would also have a chance to take out Foreman late. However, he certainly would lose more often than he would win against Foreman.

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 23 Nov 2016, 12:03

Kalan wrote:
golden oldie wrote:Though it pains me to say it, Floyd Mayweather was a perfect example of a fighter ADAPTING to the other guy's style of fighting. If he was a slugger / pressure fighter, Mayweather would simply stay out of range and out box the guy, by countering him. If the guy thought he was a boxer, Maywether would simply stand in range and time him landing more shots, and harder ones at that.
The Mayweather-Mosley fight was real interesting.. Because Mayweather took big chances he never takes.. He was nailed really hard and sent wobbling around after he threw on instantaneous clinches when he almost dropped in the 2nd.. After the referee separated them Floyd attacked Mosley like crazy instead of clinching or running.. It was a little weird to see from Floyd -- but Mosley was thrown off.. Shane was surprised and didn't follow up well.. When Floyd got back to the corner Roger was telling him "you don't need to get into exchanges and get knocked out. Just box him." ... Floyd had a sly smile on his face as Roger was talking like "FK NO.. I'm going to attack the mama."

Floyd attacked Mosley hard for the entire 3rd round.. That's NOT what you do in a round after you've been hurt real bad---but it worked.. Mosley pulled his horns in and did sh!t for the duration.. Mosley did the same thing after Vernon Forrest almost blew him away in the 2nd round of their 1st fight.. Shane had a great 1st round but Vernon almost knocked him out in the 2nd.. Shane didn't do crap for the rest of the fight.. He lost like 119-107 on my card.. Maybe Floyd noted that.

Mayweather may have also noted that Mosley was about 100 years old as well.

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 23 Nov 2016, 12:05

jezzamundo wrote:It's a bit like saying boxing is rock-paper-scissors. The logic is that with a similar level of skill and natural ability:

A boxer beats a slugger
A slugger beats a swarmer and
A swarmer beats a boxer

The best example of this is Ali-Foreman-Frazier. Ali beat Foreman, Foreman annihilated Frazier, Frazier beat Ali. Of course, Ali went on to win the second and third Frazier fights, but Joe was past his best then and his was a young man's style, but he still made Ali work hard in every one of their fights.

Another example is how SRR struggled with Jake LaMotta, despite being far superior in boxing skills. The combination of LaMotta's size and swarming style gave him difficulties.

There are certainly exceptions to the rule. Kostya Tszyu was most definitely a puncher, but he was very successful against slick boxers (like Judah and Mitchell) and had more trouble with swarming, pressure fighters (like Hatton)

Size was a big part of the equation. When they were both middleweights, Robinson beat him more easily.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 23 Nov 2016, 12:24

Kalan,

Sounds like you made a good case for my theory that the First George Foreman at 217 would have been a massive nightmare for almost anyone IF he had been able to combine the maturity and thought processes of his older slower self.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 23 Nov 2016, 22:45

In the Hitman vs Hands of Stone case:
At 154 and beyond, it's all Thomas Hearns!
At 147 and below, it's all Roberto Duran!

Duran's speed at 154 and beyond was below average.
Hearns legs would've failed him at 147.

Big George beats Smokin' Joe probably more often than not. I just can't see the great George Foreman victorious on the night of The Fight of the Century.

The great Evander Holyfield in his prime, beats the crap out of any version of Lennox Lewis. I just can't envision Lewis taking those wicked shots and combinations. Holyfield in his prime, not even at his very best, loses to Oliver McCall or Hasim Rahman. I can't see The Real Deal losing to bums like that.

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