Why the Kovalev Ward decision was excellent for boxing

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Why the Kovalev Ward decision was excellent for boxing

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Boxers will stop leaving fights in the judges hands and fight to KO or get KO'd. Boxers will stop assuming that they're winning and not step off the gas anymore. While I disagreed with open judging, the one good thing about it is that boxers knew exactly when they needed a knockout.
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IKSRTFO wrote:Boxers will stop leaving fights in the judges hands and fight to KO or get KO'd. Boxers will stop assuming that they're winning and not step off the gas anymore. While I disagreed with open judging, the one good thing about it is that boxers knew exactly when they needed a knockout.
The problem with open scoring is that boxers also know when they have a commanding lead and they can coast, like GingerHead did v Trout.
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I think open scoring makes far more sense.

If a fighter chooses to coast, knowing he's ahead, so what, then the onus is on the other fighter to get him out of there or step it up.

I can't think of any other sport where people compete against one another in real time, where the participants don't know the score until after the bout, oh apart from MMA of course.
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Tanzio wrote:
IKSRTFO wrote:Boxers will stop leaving fights in the judges hands and fight to KO or get KO'd. Boxers will stop assuming that they're winning and not step off the gas anymore. While I disagreed with open judging, the one good thing about it is that boxers knew exactly when they needed a knockout.
The problem with open scoring is that boxers also know when they have a commanding lead and they can coast, like GingerHead did v Trout.

Trout should've stepped it up then. If he didn't, then that's on him.
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IKSRTFO wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
IKSRTFO wrote:Boxers will stop leaving fights in the judges hands and fight to KO or get KO'd. Boxers will stop assuming that they're winning and not step off the gas anymore. While I disagreed with open judging, the one good thing about it is that boxers knew exactly when they needed a knockout.
The problem with open scoring is that boxers also know when they have a commanding lead and they can coast, like GingerHead did v Trout.

Trout should've stepped it up then. If he didn't, then that's on him.
True but it also cheated us of seeing whether GingerHead could take him out. I do see your point though. If Krusher had known that the last round was deciding the fight, he would have definitely been more aggressive.

The fact is that he should have been more aggressive anyway.
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IKSRTFO wrote:Boxers will stop leaving fights in the judges hands and fight to KO or get KO'd. Boxers will stop assuming that they're winning and not step off the gas anymore. While I disagreed with open judging, the one good thing about it is that boxers knew exactly when they needed a knockout.
They tried open scoring for the amateurs and it didn't work. Once a boxer had the lead, they coasted to preserve the win by running and holding. Once the score is in, they can't change it since everybody already saw it.
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This is ridiculous. Two robberies last Saturday are somehow good for boxing??? Not everybody are capable of scoring a KO against a good hometown fighter. So, technicians like Lomachenko should be doomed ?
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Tanzio wrote:
IKSRTFO wrote:
Tanzio wrote: The problem with open scoring is that boxers also know when they have a commanding lead and they can coast, like GingerHead did v Trout.

Trout should've stepped it up then. If he didn't, then that's on him.
True but it also cheated us of seeing whether GingerHead could take him out. I do see your point though. If Krusher had known that the last round was deciding the fight, he would have definitely been more aggressive.

The fact is that he should have been more aggressive anyway.
He wasn't never going to take Trout out late regardless. He's never stopped any competitive fighter late. The only time he did, he was putting on a dominating performance.
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boxing_rocks wrote:This is ridiculous. Two robberies last Saturday are somehow good for boxing??? Not everybody are capable of scoring a KO against a good hometown fighter. So, technicians like Lomachenko should be doomed ?

Yes. And they can score a KO if they had to. Leonard learned he could KO Hearns once he started to realize that he wasn't going to win a decision. Had Oscar believed that he would be robbed against Trinidad, we would've seen a differenct fight.
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IKSRTFO wrote:Boxers will stop leaving fights in the judges hands and fight to KO or get KO'd. Boxers will stop assuming that they're winning and not step off the gas anymore. While I disagreed with open judging, the one good thing about it is that boxers knew exactly when they needed a knockout.


Boxers with half a brain already knew that, especially in a place like Las Vegas. Boxing judging has now become so incompetent and corrupt that I am shocked in the rare instances that they render an honest decision.

I remember when George Foreman, who was the only honest commentator, said after the judges awarded the fight to Byrd over Oquendo in 2003 that boxers need to stop meekly standing there and accepting those bad decisions like Oquendo was doing, and that those were the "best judges that money can -" leaving the last word unsaid. The tv station announced that Foreman"retired" after that fight.
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x2x wrote:
IKSRTFO wrote:Boxers will stop leaving fights in the judges hands and fight to KO or get KO'd. Boxers will stop assuming that they're winning and not step off the gas anymore. While I disagreed with open judging, the one good thing about it is that boxers knew exactly when they needed a knockout.


Boxers with half a brain already knew that, especially in a place like Las Vegas. Boxing judging has now become so incompetent and corrupt that I am shocked in the rare instances that they render an honest decision.

I remember when George Foreman, who was the only honest commentator, said after the judges awarded the fight to Byrd over Oquendo in 2003 that boxers need to stop meekly standing there and accepting those bad decisions like Oquendo was doing, and that those were the "best judges that money can -" leaving the last word unsaid. The tv station announced that Foreman"retired" after that fight.
It is a fact that boxing is corrupt. Whether or not the judges were bought in this case, they got it right, imo.
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x2x, I loved Foreman's commentary. He never held back his true feelings. The sport is poorer for his absence.

The decision stank. You drop a fighter during a fight, then that fighter has to dominate the fight to get the win.
Ward won some rounds late on but he didn't win enough to get the nod. Kovalev was robbed. Hopefully he has a rematch clause and
decides to exercise it.
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