Does anyone agree with me?

[jezzamundo]

With all the discussion about the decision in the Ward-Kovalev fight, it got me thinking about the Floyd-Manny fight about 18 months earlier and how both times I was in the minority with my opinion of the fight. I'm curious to know if there's anyone here who basically agrees with me on both fights.

Watching the fight live in a strongly pro-Manny pub, I scored the fight as a close win to Manny, 116-114 . I wanted Pacquiao to win and felt that he had done enough to win the decision, though I felt it was close enough that if Floyd won a close or split decision, I wouldn't call it a robbery. When the scorecards were read, I was shocked at how wide the judges had it and felt it was definitely a hometown decision. When I got on BoxRec, I was shocked at how many people agreed, with the judges. For the first time ever, I thought the CompuBox stats were clearly wrong as well, particularly for the 3rd round. I then rewatched the fight, once with HBO commentary and once with British. Both times I scored the fight to Mayweather by a single point, making my scorecard 115-114 to Mayweather. Ultimately I think the right guy got the nod, but it was a close fight. I still feel the CompuBox numbers are very inaccurate.

With the recent Ward-Kovalev fight, I watched it live at home with HBO commentary and thought Ward won the fight 114-113. Again, I was surprised by the number of people on BoxRec who saw the fight as a clear win to Kovalev. I haven't rewatched the fight yet. The CompuBox numbers look accurate to me - in terms of punches landed, Kovalev and Ward won 6 rounds each. I believe the judges got the 10th round wrong, but I gave Ward the 3rd, so I had the same scorecard as them.

Ultimately I feel that the right man was given the nod in both, very close fights.

What was your scorecard for each fight?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Floyd was a runaway winner, kovalev less so. But both clearly won.

[Evander]

I spoke to 2 fans [Black and White] who both attended Mayweather v Pacquiao bout at the Kovalev v Ward fight and they were both unified in saying how bad it was.
Floyd is a tremendous boxer but he isn't a man fighter, he's an economic fighter who doesn't care at all about anyone but himself and his bank account.
Yes he has skills but enough time has passed now to know the consensus of that was it sucked.

Least Kovalev and Ward kicked it off like proper boxers.

[jezzamundo]

I spoke to 2 fans [Black and White] who both attended Mayweather v Pacquiao bout at the Kovalev v Ward fight and they were both unified in saying how bad it was.
Floyd is a tremendous boxer but he isn't a man fighter, he's an economic fighter who doesn't care at all about anyone but himself and his bank account.
Yes he has skills but enough time has passed now to know the consensus of that was it sucked.

Least Kovalev and Ward kicked it off like proper boxers.

Ward-Kovalev was by far the more entertaining, higher quality fight for me.

[jezzamundo]

I guess a simpler way of putting it, is that I feel the Ward-Kovalev fight was officiated very fairly, while Floyd-Manny felt very dodgy - from the clearly inaccurate compubox to the biased commentary to the ridiculous 118-110 scorecard.

My instant reaction after the Ward-Kovalev decision was, "wow, they actually got one right for once!" My reaction would have been the same had Kovalev been the winner 114-113 on all scorecards, it was that close.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cool, I thought Floyd/pac was a whitewash & kovalev was a very clear winner in a competitive fight.

[Evander]

You the fans decide don't let the media tell you what to think.

[jezzamundo]

Cool, I thought Floyd/pac was a whitewash & kovalev was a very clear winner in a competitive fight.

Your opinions are more in-line with the mainstream for sure. Have you rewatched Kovalev-Ward?

For me, Manny tried hard, but was past his best and gave a poor performance, while Floyd did just barely enough to be awarded the decision.

On the other hand, Kovalev was a real and constant danger to Ward, who did well to get off the canvas, slow Kovalev down with body shots and win the bulk of the second half of the rounds.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I haven't, it's on my DVR and I will at some point. Recently switched companies and lost my dad, couple that with my disinterest in boxing compared to mma and it will be a bit. I've changed scoring before on second watch. I think I may have been too generous to ward giving him 5.

[jezzamundo]

I haven't, it's on my DVR and I will at some point. Recently switched companies and lost my dad, couple that with my disinterest in boxing compared to mma and it will be a bit. I've changed scoring before on second watch. I think I may have been too generous to ward giving him 5.

I'm sorry for your loss. Ward clearly won rounds 7, 8 and 11. I suggest you pay careful attention to rounds 3, 5, 9 and 12, which I think he edged as well. That said, I can see the argument for 115-112 Kovalev. Close, but not clear IMO.

[NateJR]

I thought Floyd clearly beat Pacquiao, couldn't find more than 4 rounds to give Pacquiao. Ward/Kovalev was much closer IMO, I felt Ward did enough to deserve a win, but could have seen it go either way.

[Tanzio]

Before I go any further, first of all, yes I scored Pac v Bradley 1 in favor of Bradley. After watching it a number of times I still lean to Bradley though it absolutely could have been scored for Pac. Manny gave that one away.

Pac v FMJ was a boring 116-112 FMJ fight that I still maintain was a choreographed farce.

Everybody knows how I scored Ward v Krusher; 114-113 Ward realtime. 115-112 Ward second time through with no distractions. I would have been overjoyed to be wrong and have an all night party and I would have considered it reasonable if the judges saw it 114-113 or 115-112 Krusher.

I don't really give a sh!t what anyone else thinks with the exception of the Wailing Wall gang of eastern euro centric and breitbart.com tribes, whom I enjoy poking fun at for claiming Krusher was robbed.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

With the recent Ward-Kovalev fight, I watched it live at home with HBO commentary and thought Ward won the fight 114-113. Again, I was surprised by the number of people on BoxRec who saw the fight as a clear win to Kovalev.

- Compufraud a modern day crutch for media who have lost sight of the art of the fight, instead spoofing their little ego spats broadcast over the boxing action. Adelaide and Robert Byrd with a huge assist from Vegas commish have shot up the already dead horse yet again. Their groveling incompetence exactly as we expected on this card.

The ABCs of modern judging are: 1. Clean punching(power versus quantity), huge advantage Kov, esp since Byrd missed the first Judah stumble/dive to Kov's waist by Wart to prevent a KD vs 90% of Wart punches were weak arm punches in clinches 2. Effective aggressiveness, huge advantage Kov/90% of Wart ran 3. Ring generalship, a huge advantage Kov/Running or fruitless butting attempts don't count 4. Defense, Kov mostly manhandled Wart in the clinches and headlocked him to prevent butts that dirty Byrd allowed how many dozens of attempts by Wart? Running ain't scorable defense, it just buys time. Wart stink worthy along with TUE and Pumpkin, none of whom can bust a grape, but they could gag that maggot lot of modern stink fans and officials who like the giggly high stink gives. Wart barely above a one dimensional fighter in this bout.

If you want clean, uncountable flurries and backfoot tactics look at Cuadras who made pressuring Choco look one dimensional to lose another controversial decision, and Crawford who used brilliant side to side in and out quick power shots to KDx2 pressing Postol in an otherwise competitive bout to expand on above, and magnificently Usyk against pressuring Glowacki who has shown he can whack great, but scarcely a scratch on Usyk.

If new age 3rd millennial sissies gonna support posing like bathing beauties on a sewage beach, boxing may be forced to go underground again to survive as a combat sport.

[Enlightened-One]

With all the discussion about the decision in the Ward-Kovalev fight, it got me thinking about the Floyd-Manny fight... I scored the fight as a close win to Manny, 116-114 . I wanted Pacquiao to win...