How well Will Wladimir return?
Re: How well Will Wladimir return?
Hopefully he never returns. But if he does I hope he loses decisively without sustaining life threatening injury.
Re: How well Will Wladimir return?
I never understood how anyone could be a Wlad fan like you. I just never understood it. The guy held the most cherished title in boxing history for many years and never had a significant fight or even a significant soundbite. What people like you don't understand is that the Heavyweight Champion of the World comes with more responsibilities than other titles in the sport. The heavyweight champion is king of the sport and is responsible to not only promote the sport but he also has the forum to cross over on certain world issues and do some good and make good use of his position on top of the world. Wlad chose to hide in Germany and he hid from good fights like he hid from possible good deeds he could have done. Boxing is a better place without Wlad in it. We wasted the top position in the sport with this puppet.SteveO wrote:Wladimir became a multi-millionaire fighting in front of sold out venues in Germany.caldo2025 wrote:Wlad hijacked the heavyweight belts and decided to fight in Germany on cards that weren't even televised across the world. He was the worst champion the sport has ever seen. He single handedly killed the heavyweight division for years. Not to mention that he's about as interesting as a bowl of rice.
The contests were shown on TV in the U.K and many parts of Europe.
The USA is not the world and I don't know if Wlad's fights were shown there or not but I suspect Wlad is not too bothered about it.
Admitedly Wlad is not the most exciting boxer to watch but he was a very effective champion - he fought all his mandatories and ducked no one.
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I'm sorry, what? He fought everyone available in the division. How is it Klitchko's fault that the division was a mess during this era? I'd love to know what you would have done differently. This is a sport, and he will go down as a guy who beat everyone in his path, eventually losing in his 28th (!!!) defence. Who do you think he ducked?caldo2025 wrote: I never understood how anyone could be a Wlad fan like you. I just never understood it. The guy held the most cherished title in boxing history for many years and never had a significant fight or even a significant soundbite.
Now you're just sounding bitter and twisted. Klitchko won humanitarian awards in 2002 and 2007 for his 'Sports for Good' project which contributes to children in need in Africa and South America. He also worked specifically for UNESCO supporting projects in 87 countries.What people like you don't understand is that the Heavyweight Champion of the World comes with more responsibilities than other titles in the sport. The heavyweight champion is king of the sport and is responsible to not only promote the sport but he also has the forum to cross over on certain world issues and do some good and make good use of his position on top of the world. Wlad chose to hide in Germany and he hid from good fights like he hid from possible good deeds he could have done. Boxing is a better place without Wlad in it. We wasted the top position in the sport with this puppet.
Is it possible you can shut your ramblings up, and go do some reading?
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You can say anything you want but when the history is retold, Wlad's reign as heavyweight champion will go down as the dullest of them all. Anyone can win a couple of awards here and there but this guy was on top of the world with the sport's greatest prize and we won't remember one thing he did to stand out or make changes for the better in the sport and outside of it. I'll leave you with this...Wlad held the heavyweight championship for many years and casual sports fans couldn't pick him out of a lineup. That says it all. Worst champion ever.Rob3_142 wrote:I'm sorry, what? He fought everyone available in the division. How is it Klitchko's fault that the division was a mess during this era? I'd love to know what you would have done differently. This is a sport, and he will go down as a guy who beat everyone in his path, eventually losing in his 28th (!!!) defence. Who do you think he ducked?caldo2025 wrote: I never understood how anyone could be a Wlad fan like you. I just never understood it. The guy held the most cherished title in boxing history for many years and never had a significant fight or even a significant soundbite.
Now you're just sounding bitter and twisted. Klitchko won humanitarian awards in 2002 and 2007 for his 'Sports for Good' project which contributes to children in need in Africa and South America. He also worked specifically for UNESCO supporting projects in 87 countries.What people like you don't understand is that the Heavyweight Champion of the World comes with more responsibilities than other titles in the sport. The heavyweight champion is king of the sport and is responsible to not only promote the sport but he also has the forum to cross over on certain world issues and do some good and make good use of his position on top of the world. Wlad chose to hide in Germany and he hid from good fights like he hid from possible good deeds he could have done. Boxing is a better place without Wlad in it. We wasted the top position in the sport with this puppet.
Is it possible you can shut your ramblings up, and go do some reading?
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Wait a minute, you was complaining that Klitchko 'hid from good deeds that could be done'. Now the good deeds that he did are not good enough for you? How many humanitarian awards do you have? Could you list them please? I mean they're apparently pretty easy to get.caldo2025 wrote:You can say anything you want but when the history is retold, Wlad's reign as heavyweight champion will go down as the dullest of them all. Anyone can win a couple of awards here and there but this guy was on top of the world with the sport's greatest prize and we won't remember one thing he did to stand out or make changes for the better in the sport and outside of it. I'll leave you with this...Wlad held the heavyweight championship for many years and casual sports fans couldn't pick him out of a lineup. That says it all. Worst champion ever.Rob3_142 wrote:I'm sorry, what? He fought everyone available in the division. How is it Klitchko's fault that the division was a mess during this era? I'd love to know what you would have done differently. This is a sport, and he will go down as a guy who beat everyone in his path, eventually losing in his 28th (!!!) defence. Who do you think he ducked?caldo2025 wrote: I never understood how anyone could be a Wlad fan like you. I just never understood it. The guy held the most cherished title in boxing history for many years and never had a significant fight or even a significant soundbite.
Now you're just sounding bitter and twisted. Klitchko won humanitarian awards in 2002 and 2007 for his 'Sports for Good' project which contributes to children in need in Africa and South America. He also worked specifically for UNESCO supporting projects in 87 countries.What people like you don't understand is that the Heavyweight Champion of the World comes with more responsibilities than other titles in the sport. The heavyweight champion is king of the sport and is responsible to not only promote the sport but he also has the forum to cross over on certain world issues and do some good and make good use of his position on top of the world. Wlad chose to hide in Germany and he hid from good fights like he hid from possible good deeds he could have done. Boxing is a better place without Wlad in it. We wasted the top position in the sport with this puppet.
Is it possible you can shut your ramblings up, and go do some reading?
Wladamir Klitchko will go down as one of the all time greats in a weak era. He's missing that genuine big rivalry that the Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman and Louis all enjoyed to cement their legend. When the best of your era is the likes of Povetkin, Chagaev, Thompson, there isn't a great deal you can do about it.
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This is damned close to a braindead post. But that is to be expected from an irrational hater.caldo2025 wrote:You can say anything you want but when the history is retold, Wlad's reign as heavyweight champion will go down as the dullest of them all. Anyone can win a couple of awards here and there but this guy was on top of the world with the sport's greatest prize and we won't remember one thing he did to stand out or make changes for the better in the sport and outside of it. I'll leave you with this...Wlad held the heavyweight championship for many years and casual sports fans couldn't pick him out of a lineup. That says it all. Worst champion ever.Rob3_142 wrote:I'm sorry, what? He fought everyone available in the division. How is it Klitchko's fault that the division was a mess during this era? I'd love to know what you would have done differently. This is a sport, and he will go down as a guy who beat everyone in his path, eventually losing in his 28th (!!!) defence. Who do you think he ducked?caldo2025 wrote: I never understood how anyone could be a Wlad fan like you. I just never understood it. The guy held the most cherished title in boxing history for many years and never had a significant fight or even a significant soundbite.
Now you're just sounding bitter and twisted. Klitchko won humanitarian awards in 2002 and 2007 for his 'Sports for Good' project which contributes to children in need in Africa and South America. He also worked specifically for UNESCO supporting projects in 87 countries.What people like you don't understand is that the Heavyweight Champion of the World comes with more responsibilities than other titles in the sport. The heavyweight champion is king of the sport and is responsible to not only promote the sport but he also has the forum to cross over on certain world issues and do some good and make good use of his position on top of the world. Wlad chose to hide in Germany and he hid from good fights like he hid from possible good deeds he could have done. Boxing is a better place without Wlad in it. We wasted the top position in the sport with this puppet.
Is it possible you can shut your ramblings up, and go do some reading?
History will record that Wlad's reign was one of the most dominant of all time, brain sturgeon. He will be remembered as one of the great champions of all time, Mr. Blinded By The Hate.
You can squeal like a pig for the rest of your life about Wlad this and Wlad that but it is you who won't matter.
As much as disliked his style, Wlad was a great champion.
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If he fights Joshua and doesn't get him out of there early then Joshua knocks him out cold within first 6, not because he's better but because with the height he has Joshua won't have the problem of Wlad leaning on him to nullify his attacks, same as Fury, which spells trouble for WK.
Re: How well Will Wladimir return?
You idiotic Wlad sympathizers are in the minority no matter which way you slice it, Wlad's reign will always be known as the darkest days in heavyweight boxing history. Treat this like it were a criminal case and put the evidence forward and it's as simple as your intellect. The heavyweight division has always been the cash cow and most popular of the Boxing divisions forever, even before boxing gloves were invented. Then Wlad happened. Despite getting knocked out by Sanders and Brewster, 2 sure fire HOF'ers, Wlad became the best of the worst fighters and became champion. THEN...for almost a decade, the floor fell out of the heavyweight division and Boxing suffers through it's worst decade in the sports history. This dull, robotic , vanilla as they come boxer decides to fight in obscurity for most of his years. One fight in America in 8 years. 8 YEARS! I'm not saying this because i'm a yankee but America and Vegas especially is the capital of heavyweight boxing, that's a fact. That's ridiculous. The heavyweight champion of the world has the responsibility to be more worldly and promote the sport and this idiot did nothing but fight in Germany. A large percentage of his fights weren't even televised around the world.Tanzio wrote:This is damned close to a braindead post. But that is to be expected from an irrational hater.caldo2025 wrote:You can say anything you want but when the history is retold, Wlad's reign as heavyweight champion will go down as the dullest of them all. Anyone can win a couple of awards here and there but this guy was on top of the world with the sport's greatest prize and we won't remember one thing he did to stand out or make changes for the better in the sport and outside of it. I'll leave you with this...Wlad held the heavyweight championship for many years and casual sports fans couldn't pick him out of a lineup. That says it all. Worst champion ever.Rob3_142 wrote: I'm sorry, what? He fought everyone available in the division. How is it Klitchko's fault that the division was a mess during this era? I'd love to know what you would have done differently. This is a sport, and he will go down as a guy who beat everyone in his path, eventually losing in his 28th (!!!) defence. Who do you think he ducked?
Now you're just sounding bitter and twisted. Klitchko won humanitarian awards in 2002 and 2007 for his 'Sports for Good' project which contributes to children in need in Africa and South America. He also worked specifically for UNESCO supporting projects in 87 countries.
Is it possible you can shut your ramblings up, and go do some reading?
History will record that Wlad's reign was one of the most dominant of all time, brain sturgeon. He will be remembered as one of the great champions of all time, Mr. Blinded By The Hate.
You can squeal like a pig for the rest of your life about Wlad this and Wlad that but it is you who won't matter.
As much as disliked his style, Wlad was a great champion.
So then we finally get to the glorious day where Wlad loses the belts to Fury. Now, wouldn't you know it? There's excitement within the division like there was 30 years ago. We've got 2 exciting and talented young champions already and we have multiple huge fights to look forward to down the road.
THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE. Do you think that the talent just happened to grow back at the end of Wlad's reign? Wlad was horrible for boxing and the proof is quantitative and measurable. You and all of the Wlad lovers are wrong. Watch the sport come grow back to life now that we ripped the weeds out. Historically, Wlad isn't even in the top 20 of best heavyweight champions. Not even close. u
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I'll admit that i'm wrong about Wlad's charitable contributions. To win those awards is impressive and more than i'll ever do for humanity. What I won't concede is my opinion of him as a champion and what HE did to the sport of Boxing. Let me ask you this and your answer will tell a lot about you. Forget about his success in the ring with title defenses. Do you think that Wlad was a good representative as the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD?Rob3_142 wrote:Wait a minute, you was complaining that Klitchko 'hid from good deeds that could be done'. Now the good deeds that he did are not good enough for you? How many humanitarian awards do you have? Could you list them please? I mean they're apparently pretty easy to get.caldo2025 wrote:You can say anything you want but when the history is retold, Wlad's reign as heavyweight champion will go down as the dullest of them all. Anyone can win a couple of awards here and there but this guy was on top of the world with the sport's greatest prize and we won't remember one thing he did to stand out or make changes for the better in the sport and outside of it. I'll leave you with this...Wlad held the heavyweight championship for many years and casual sports fans couldn't pick him out of a lineup. That says it all. Worst champion ever.Rob3_142 wrote: I'm sorry, what? He fought everyone available in the division. How is it Klitchko's fault that the division was a mess during this era? I'd love to know what you would have done differently. This is a sport, and he will go down as a guy who beat everyone in his path, eventually losing in his 28th (!!!) defence. Who do you think he ducked?
Now you're just sounding bitter and twisted. Klitchko won humanitarian awards in 2002 and 2007 for his 'Sports for Good' project which contributes to children in need in Africa and South America. He also worked specifically for UNESCO supporting projects in 87 countries.
Is it possible you can shut your ramblings up, and go do some reading?
Wladamir Klitchko will go down as one of the all time greats in a weak era. He's missing that genuine big rivalry that the Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman and Louis all enjoyed to cement their legend. When the best of your era is the likes of Povetkin, Chagaev, Thompson, there isn't a great deal you can do about it.
Before you answer, please take into account how past champions like Ali, Foreman, Lewis, Holyfield (etc) carried themselves as champion and the millions of people they inspired to not only pick up the sport or be the best they could be at some thing or another. They promoted the sport and realized the worldly responsibilities involved with holding the title. They all put their talents on display for the world to see and they fought in locations that were conducive for that end. Every great champion left the sport better than when they arrived. Only one heavyweight champion that i know of is unable to say that. Only one.
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We agree to disagree. I think that you are a fvcking moron who has no objectivity on boxers you nuthug or hate. And you think something along the same lines about me.caldo2025 wrote:You idiotic Wlad sympathizers are in the minority no matter which way you slice it, Wlad's reign will always be known as the darkest days in heavyweight boxing history. Treat this like it were a criminal case and put the evidence forward and it's as simple as your intellect. The heavyweight division has always been the cash cow and most popular of the Boxing divisions forever, even before boxing gloves were invented. Then Wlad happened. Despite getting knocked out by Sanders and Brewster, 2 sure fire HOF'ers, Wlad became the best of the worst fighters and became champion. THEN...for almost a decade, the floor fell out of the heavyweight division and Boxing suffers through it's worst decade in the sports history. This dull, robotic , vanilla as they come boxer decides to fight in obscurity for most of his years. One fight in America in 8 years. 8 YEARS! I'm not saying this because i'm a yankee but America and Vegas especially is the capital of heavyweight boxing, that's a fact. That's ridiculous. The heavyweight champion of the world has the responsibility to be more worldly and promote the sport and this idiot did nothing but fight in Germany. A large percentage of his fights weren't even televised around the world.Tanzio wrote:This is damned close to a braindead post. But that is to be expected from an irrational hater.caldo2025 wrote:
You can say anything you want but when the history is retold, Wlad's reign as heavyweight champion will go down as the dullest of them all. Anyone can win a couple of awards here and there but this guy was on top of the world with the sport's greatest prize and we won't remember one thing he did to stand out or make changes for the better in the sport and outside of it. I'll leave you with this...Wlad held the heavyweight championship for many years and casual sports fans couldn't pick him out of a lineup. That says it all. Worst champion ever.
History will record that Wlad's reign was one of the most dominant of all time, brain sturgeon. He will be remembered as one of the great champions of all time, Mr. Blinded By The Hate.
You can squeal like a pig for the rest of your life about Wlad this and Wlad that but it is you who won't matter.
As much as disliked his style, Wlad was a great champion.
So then we finally get to the glorious day where Wlad loses the belts to Fury. Now, wouldn't you know it? There's excitement within the division like there was 30 years ago. We've got 2 exciting and talented young champions already and we have multiple huge fights to look forward to down the road.
THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE. Do you think that the talent just happened to grow back at the end of Wlad's reign? Wlad was horrible for boxing and the proof is quantitative and measurable. You and all of the Wlad lovers are wrong. Watch the sport come grow back to life now that we ripped the weeds out. Historically, Wlad isn't even in the top 20 of best heavyweight champions. Not even close. u
Wlad has faced all comers. He has been much more of a role model than your myopic view of the world has the capacity to digest.
Whether you like it or not, he will be remembered as a great HW champion who dominated his era like few ever have. His was not the only weak HW era.
The "excitement within the division" you speak of has largely fizzled like a wet firecracker on New Year's Eve.
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Re: How well Will Wladimir return?
lol brain sturgeon
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I bet you voted for Trump.caldo2025 wrote:You idiotic Wlad sympathizers are in the minority no matter which way you slice it, Wlad's reign will always be known as the darkest days in heavyweight boxing history. Treat this like it were a criminal case and put the evidence forward and it's as simple as your intellect. The heavyweight division has always been the cash cow and most popular of the Boxing divisions forever, even before boxing gloves were invented. Then Wlad happened. Despite getting knocked out by Sanders and Brewster, 2 sure fire HOF'ers, Wlad became the best of the worst fighters and became champion. THEN...for almost a decade, the floor fell out of the heavyweight division and Boxing suffers through it's worst decade in the sports history. This dull, robotic , vanilla as they come boxer decides to fight in obscurity for most of his years. One fight in America in 8 years. 8 YEARS! I'm not saying this because i'm a yankee but America and Vegas especially is the capital of heavyweight boxing, that's a fact. That's ridiculous. The heavyweight champion of the world has the responsibility to be more worldly and promote the sport and this idiot did nothing but fight in Germany. A large percentage of his fights weren't even televised around the world.Tanzio wrote:This is damned close to a braindead post. But that is to be expected from an irrational hater.caldo2025 wrote:
You can say anything you want but when the history is retold, Wlad's reign as heavyweight champion will go down as the dullest of them all. Anyone can win a couple of awards here and there but this guy was on top of the world with the sport's greatest prize and we won't remember one thing he did to stand out or make changes for the better in the sport and outside of it. I'll leave you with this...Wlad held the heavyweight championship for many years and casual sports fans couldn't pick him out of a lineup. That says it all. Worst champion ever.
History will record that Wlad's reign was one of the most dominant of all time, brain sturgeon. He will be remembered as one of the great champions of all time, Mr. Blinded By The Hate.
You can squeal like a pig for the rest of your life about Wlad this and Wlad that but it is you who won't matter.
As much as disliked his style, Wlad was a great champion.
So then we finally get to the glorious day where Wlad loses the belts to Fury. Now, wouldn't you know it? There's excitement within the division like there was 30 years ago. We've got 2 exciting and talented young champions already and we have multiple huge fights to look forward to down the road.
THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE. Do you think that the talent just happened to grow back at the end of Wlad's reign? Wlad was horrible for boxing and the proof is quantitative and measurable. You and all of the Wlad lovers are wrong. Watch the sport come grow back to life now that we ripped the weeds out. Historically, Wlad isn't even in the top 20 of best heavyweight champions. Not even close. u