Ward didn't win clearly a single round

[Tanzio]

Gotta mute the TV, turn off all the lights, cell phones off, kick everyone out of the house, draw the blinds, meditate, then watch, but limit your blinking...... then it pretty obvious, Ward wins.

Not even then.

"Limit your blinking" means keep your eyes open not closed.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Ward wasn't visibly hurt for the rest of the fight after round 2.
?

He was hurt PLENTY in the first, in the last rd (twice; he immediately looked to clinch) and just about every time Kovalev landed his jab or right hand.



Ward's expression for the whole duration was one of apprehension and fear.

He looked like a bullied kid in there.

Reminds me of when Hopkins tried to showboat against Kovalev and got nailed hard with multiple shots.

Seriously, don't try and showboat against Kovalev. You'll just look stupid.

[G.McClellan]

Ward was seen as the boxer, and Kov the puncher in this match. Consequently peoples pre conceived ideas don't allow them to accept Kov out boxed Ward. They believed he had to knock Ward out, or lose.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

A very insightful observation.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Ward was seen as the boxer, and Kov the puncher in this match. Consequently peoples pre conceived ideas don't allow them to accept Kov out boxed Ward. They believed he had to knock Ward out, or lose.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

A very insightful observation.

I do believe that preconceptions are a problem, judges are meant to judge only the action, however, they are only human.

[boxing_rocks]

Ward was seen as the boxer, and Kov the puncher in this match. Consequently peoples pre conceived ideas don't allow them to accept Kov out boxed Ward. They believed he had to knock Ward out, or lose.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

A very insightful observation.

That's exactly what happened with some fans and commentators. However, reasons for judges scoring it for Ward are likely a subject of interest for law enforcement.

[Evander]

I rewatched the fight, and couldn't give Ward a single round convincingly

Get off the drugs and help yourself.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

There are also other pre conceived ideas. The worst of which is AMERICA is somehow the home of boxing, when everyone with even half a brain knows that it simply isn't. America is the home of BIG MONEY fights. A totally different thing. However the big money obviously makes America protectionist, and it is worse than stupid to claim American officials are fair, and unbiased. They are no BETTER or worse than Euro officials, it is just that when they are crooked it becomes easier to spot, because they " televise " more big fights then anyone else.

Subtlety, and America, are polar opposites. Gung Ho is more their game.

Agree.

But nationalism is a little different in America.
We treated Nazi POWs better than Japanese-Americans and black soldiers.
It's not as much a deciding factor in most corrupt scoring situations.

Simply put, the type of American, Americans would want to cheat for, rarely make it big in boxing.
The ones who do, usually transcend race. DLH, SRL, Manny, Floyd (popular, but wouldn't get cheated for)
However, look to baseball and football for blatant examples of America's cheating.

[Kalan]

it was a very close fight IMO, I watched it twice without scoring and felt both times ward had nicked it which puts me in the minority I suppose

Next time SCORE the fight.. Don't just close your eyes and try to get a feel for it.. Score it 10 points to the winner of the round and 9 points or LESS to the loser of a round... You know what that word LESS means? ... It means you're free to score 8, 7, 6, or fewer points for the loser---depending on what you calculate his production for the round to be.. You don't have to give him 9 points.. When the 10-points system was invented it was to get away from the unfair rounds scoring system - where a fighter would land 3 times as many punches in one round... but would fade to an almost even round in the next stanza and get nowhere on the cards because that round was scored for his opponent -- because the judges really didn't want him to win... They said "The 10-point system will solve this problem."

But that assumed judges score a fight: 10-6.. 10-3.. 10-8.. 10-7.. 10-7.. 10-7.. 9-10.. 10-8.. 8-10.. 10-6.. 10-10.. 10-9 = 117-91 for a 26-point win

Instead of lazy-assed scoring getting: 10-9.. 10-8.. 10-9.. 10-9.. 10-9.. 10-9.. 9-10.. 10-9.. 9-10.. 10-9..10-10.. 10-9 = 118-110 = an 8-point win

Or creative thievery scoring getting:10-9: 10-8.. 10-9.. 9-10.. 10-9.. 10-9.. 9-10.. 9-10.. 9-10.. 9-10.. 9-10.. 9-10 = 113-114 = a 1-point loss WTF ?!?

Our problem now is: fights where no knockdowns are scored, end up with all the rounds being scored 10-9 or 9-10... no matter how lopsided or razor close the various rounds are.. So we're back to a de facto rounds scoring system that can be manipulated almost as easily as the old rounds system.

[crow]

We treated Nazi POWs better than Japanese-Americans and black soldiers.
.

The hell you did.

In Other Losses (1989), Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower's policies caused the death of 790,000 German captives in internment camps through disease, starvation and cold from 1944 to 1949. In similar French camps some 250,000 more are said to have perished. The International Committee of the Red Cross was refused entry to the camps, Switzerland was deprived of its status as "protecting power" and POWs were reclassified as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the Geneva Convention. Bacque argued that this alleged mass murder was a direct result of the policies of the western Allies, who, with the Soviets, ruled as the Military Occupation Government over partitioned Germany from May 1945 until 1949. He laid the blame on Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, saying Germans were kept on starvation rations even though there was enough food in the world to avert the lethal shortage in Germany in 1945–1946.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bacque

[Tanzio]

Ward was seen as the boxer, and Kov the puncher in this match. Consequently peoples pre conceived ideas don't allow them to accept Kov out boxed Ward. They believed he had to knock Ward out, or lose.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

A very insightful observation.

That's exactly what happened with some fans and commentators. However, reasons for judges scoring it for Ward are likely a subject of interest for law enforcement.

. . . and the Ghostbusters from both movies!! Danny Glover and Mel Gibson should be called in for backup, just in case

[Tanzio]

We treated Nazi POWs better than Japanese-Americans and black soldiers.
.

The hell you did.

In Other Losses (1989), Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower's policies caused the death of 790,000 German captives in internment camps through disease, starvation and cold from 1944 to 1949. In similar French camps some 250,000 more are said to have perished. The International Committee of the Red Cross was refused entry to the camps, Switzerland was deprived of its status as "protecting power" and POWs were reclassified as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the Geneva Convention. Bacque argued that this alleged mass murder was a direct result of the policies of the western Allies, who, with the Soviets, ruled as the Military Occupation Government over partitioned Germany from May 1945 until 1949. He laid the blame on Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, saying Germans were kept on starvation rations even though there was enough food in the world to avert the lethal shortage in Germany in 1945–1946.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bacque

Rutro, croward's pulling out the wikipedia link on your ass.

That settles it.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

We treated Nazi POWs better than Japanese-Americans and black soldiers.
.

The hell you did.

In Other Losses (1989), Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower's policies caused the death of 790,000 German captives in internment camps through disease, starvation and cold from 1944 to 1949. In similar French camps some 250,000 more are said to have perished. The International Committee of the Red Cross was refused entry to the camps, Switzerland was deprived of its status as "protecting power" and POWs were reclassified as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the Geneva Convention. Bacque argued that this alleged mass murder was a direct result of the policies of the western Allies, who, with the Soviets, ruled as the Military Occupation Government over partitioned Germany from May 1945 until 1949. He laid the blame on Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, saying Germans were kept on starvation rations even though there was enough food in the world to avert the lethal shortage in Germany in 1945–1946.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bacque

Those are foreign camps.
At the time, I think everyone was basically killing POWs on foreign soil.
Most armies could barely feed themselves.

I was specifically referring to treatment in America.