Impractical Poster wrote:Freedom, you gotta give it a rest bro. Seriously. I thought Kov won as well. But the way you go on and on gives the supporters of a Kovalev win a bad rep.
The majority of people thought Kov won. But, the official decision is not going to change. Let's move on.
Tanzio - You're a bit overboard with this as well.
The Las Vegas decision needs to be challenged and reviewed.
Dude, if the Paul Williams/Erislandy Lara decision was not over turned, there is no way in hell this one has a chance.
It is true that boxing is so f'g corrupt, especially in Las Vegas, which is so f'g corrupt to begin with - and u can also look at the prelim robbery of Darlys Perez on the same card - but like George Foreman once said before they fired him from his announcing job, boxers have to stop meekly standing there and just accepting it!!! That goes for boxers and their whole team and their whole countries too!
The Las Vegas decision needs to be challenged and reviewed.
Dude, if the Paul Williams/Erislandy Lara decision was not over turned, there is no way in hell this one has a chance.
It is true that boxing is so f'g corrupt, especially in Las Vegas, which is so f'g corrupt to begin with - and u can also look at the prelim robbery of Darlys Perez on the same card - but like George Foreman once said before they fired him from his announcing job, boxers have to stop meekly standing there and just accepting it!!! That goes for boxers and their whole team and their whole countries too!
I understand. But, while most thought Kov won, it wasn't by any significant margin. Not enough to warrant a robbery. I felt it was a bad decision, but isn't out of the realm of a decision due to subjective judging. On the other hand, a decision like Walters/Sosa last year should be up for review.
There is no nationalistic bias for American fighters from a great deal of American fight fans. My favorites have often been foreign born. I don't really give a sh*t where a guy is from. It's how he fights that is gonna win me over.
Freedom seems to confuse U.S. fight fans with other nationalities of Fight fans where they are clearly 100% behind their homegrown fighters. In America, it's a Melting Pot country and a Melting pot culture. There's not much nationalistic bias. Especially in the fight game.
gilgamesh wrote:
Freedom seems to confuse U.S. fight fans with other nationalities of Fight fans where they are clearly 100% behind their homegrown fighters. In America, it's a Melting Pot country and a Melting pot culture. There's not much nationalistic bias. Especially in the fight game.
I think we're all growing tired of this guy's shit.
Impractical Poster wrote:
Dude, if the Paul Williams/Erislandy Lara decision was not over turned, there is no way in hell this one has a chance.
It is true that boxing is so f'g corrupt, especially in Las Vegas, which is so f'g corrupt to begin with - and u can also look at the prelim robbery of Darlys Perez on the same card - but like George Foreman once said before they fired him from his announcing job, boxers have to stop meekly standing there and just accepting it!!! That goes for boxers and their whole team and their whole countries too!
I understand. But, while most thought Kov won, it wasn't by any significant margin. Not enough to warrant a robbery. I felt it was a bad decision, but isn't out of the realm of a decision due to subjective judging. On the other hand, a decision like Walters/Sosa last year should be up for review.
I wanted Ward to win, and thought he would. It's a stretch to give him that fight 114-113, and it's a stretch to give it to Kovalev by any more than 3 points. A 1-2 pt win for Kovalev seemed like the most logical score. He threw a lot in the second half, but he looked tired off focus lil slower. Now if he broke his hand, that has something to do with it. But you don't score that. And Ward did good work. Even Kovalev gave him 3-4 rounds in the post-fight interview, he knew it'd be a tricky style coming in to the fight. For a time it was.
Kovalev deserves the rematch absolutely. But I think that is going to be a more difficult fight because he's likely not going to get an early lead like he did, Andre knows how to fight him now knows he's just sitting on that right rand so he'll adjust, and it's going to be more close ugly rounds mostly single shots and rough housing. The same thing could very well happen again. Let's hope Kovalev tries harder for a KO, he needs to go all out.
AntonS wrote:Guys, simply agree to disagree & move on...
I disagree. They did the crime and now they want to call it a fait accomplis and so it's over and done with forget about it. They've ruined the sport with their corruption and this was supposed to be the biggest fight of the year and they did it anyway. If they want to do it like that then call it "sports entertainment" like wrestling. I don't just want to see a rematch. I want to see that decision disputed and an authentic inquiry made into it.
AntonS wrote:Guys, simply agree to disagree & move on...
I disagree. They did the crime and now they want to call it a fait accomplis and so it's over and done with forget about it. They've ruined the sport with their corruption and this was supposed to be the biggest fight of the year and they did it anyway. If they want to do it like that then call it "sports entertainment" like wrestling. I don't just want to see a rematch. I want to see that decision disputed and an authentic inquiry made into it.
OK! But going on & on & on about it is going to achieve ZERO
AntonS wrote:Guys, simply agree to disagree & move on...
I disagree. They did the crime and now they want to call it a fait accomplis and so it's over and done with forget about it. They've ruined the sport with their corruption and this was supposed to be the biggest fight of the year and they did it anyway. If they want to do it like that then call it "sports entertainment" like wrestling. I don't just want to see a rematch. I want to see that decision disputed and an authentic inquiry made into it.
OK! But going on & on & on about it is going to achieve ZERO
The thing is, fans are very angry and want to vent... 3 American judges and an American referee... 4 American commentators including Lederman... You generally bring in international judges and usually a neutral country referee for an extremely important World Title Fights... You don't stack the deck like this commission did for this most important fight of the year.. I said before the fight that a robbery would probably happen, just looking at the American officials.. As you heard---the 4 American commentators were a little taken aback by the decision... Roy Jones told reporters that Kovalev won the first 6 rounds and won rounds in the 2nd half of the fight.. He said with the knockdown you have to give it to Kovalev.. Stephan A Smith is a big Ward fan but he had Kovalev winning. Harold Lederman had Kovalev a solid winner... Jim Lampley suggested Kovalev's Russian heritage was the problem... Even Max Kellerman said, "It's reasonable tor Kovalev to say he was robbed."
It's part of the game & has been for yonks & no doubt always will be. It's quite simple, when one travels knock em out or suffer the consequences.
Don't forget there's no unified scoring rule. It differs all over the world e.g. Punch landed off the glove is not a clean punch & is not a scoring punch. Elsewhere it is and and in most areas it's close enough
I feel like Freedom has never actually been in the land of the free. The fact that he thinks American fight fans are nationalistic homers like Mexicans and Russians and Brits and Aussies and Irishmen is borderline lunacy. Americans don't give an F about about boxing by and large.
AntonS wrote:OK! But going on & on & on about it is going to achieve ZERO
Yes, it is what it is, time to move on.
It's kind of like the constant cold winter rain here in Vancouver: it's an unpleasant reality, but we need to accept it.
Time to move to Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia, where it's never cold nor hot.......so much so we got no idea which season it is. We get rain, but only when someone up above figures our gardens & lawns need decent watering
diddy wrote:I feel like Freedom has never actually been in the land of the free. The fact that he thinks American fight fans are nationalistic homers like Mexicans and Russians and Brits and Aussies and Irishmen is borderline lunacy.
