Why I think the judges gave the fight to Ward

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I honestly believe that several posters sit around in a field near Roswell wearing tin foil hats.
Waiting for the mother ship.

God help us all

Yeh, the sanity of the normal American and English man will save us all.
If not them, then God will do the job.

Hard to tell who the real idiots are.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

The point is to do damage. Sergei did a lil more of that, that's probably why it seems like such a harsh decision.

The point of boxing is not to do damage.
Where did that come from? ... cough ... HBO ...

The point is to win by outlanding your opponent.
As per the rules of a scoring system.

This idea of damage is related to a KO, not all forms of winning.
Unless a fighter is showing clear visible damage,
scorers have no right to determine one fighter's jab is worth more because it's more powerful.
Don't you understand the huge bias in that system?

What about the many fights in which the "weaker" fight KOs the stronger fighter late?
Did you score early rounds for the "power" guy because you thought he was doing more damage?

[SFW]

I look at each round and decide which guy would I rather have been. The guy that takes less damage. Don't really care for the shoe shining and love tapping. I'll appropriately score the round but kinda like to leave the amateur hour stuff where it belongs, with the youngsters.

Yes, the point is to do damage. What fornicating sport did you think you were watching? The point is to render them unconscious, or force someone to stop the fight. The point system is there because they need a way to decide a winner when that doesn't happen. Nobody has a goal of going 12 rounds, every guy out there would choose to end the night early if they can. So yes, damaging your opponent most certainly is the point. Giving damage without taking it.

[lazboy]

The point is to do damage. Sergei did a lil more of that, that's probably why it seems like such a harsh decision.

The point of boxing is not to do damage.
Where did that come from? ... cough ... HBO ...

The point is to win by outlanding your opponent.
As per the rules of a scoring system.

This idea of damage is related to a KO, not all forms of winning.
Unless a fighter is showing clear visible damage,
scorers have no right to determine one fighter's jab is worth more because it's more powerful.
Don't you understand the huge bias in that system?

What about the many fights in which the "weaker" fight KOs the stronger fighter late?
Did you score early rounds for the "power" guy because you thought he was doing more damage?

No wonder you scored it for Ward. The amateurs is point based. Pros is the pain game. Get it right.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

They gave it to Ward because they didn't hear what Bob Sheridan and his mate was dribbling about when Ward was scoring body shot's and out boxing the right hand mad Kovalev especially from round 7 on they kept talking about the first 6 round's and how Ward was behind and since when do experienced commentator's call round's an almost round's what a load of sh.t and in my view those almost round's were round's Ward won the 3 judge's seen Kovalev punch slower the longer the fight went and at times he looked like he couldn't hit Ward with a hand full of rice they also witnessed The Krusher abandon his dangerous jab and look for the BIG right hand but he couldn't pull the trigger when he got a bit tired Ward reassessed his tactic's[he was trying to punch too hard early on] after the knockdown and he got the job done by using his speed between his ear's and with his hand's The three judge's seen speed/smart's/ability/heart all those thing's combined won him the verdict

[boxing_rocks]

No, those 3 judges were just thinking about what they got from Roc Nation and that they need to execute accordingly. Otherwise, they would at least see that round 10 was widely won by Kovalev.

[Tanzio]

No, those 3 judges were just thinking about what they got from Roc Nation and that they need to execute accordingly. Otherwise, they would at least see that round 10 was widely won by Kovalev.

No it wasn't. He shaded it.

[Kalan]

When I was 9 or 10 we played a game called "invisible rope" a few times ... I lived on a quite residential street were there wasn't too much traffic. Two kids would stand on opposite sides of the street and when a car would approach they'd both pull on an "invisible rope" and the car would come to a screeching halt.. The kids would run off laughing like crazy along with any other kids who were watching.. Drivers were not always amused.. Kids were grounded by their parents and we stopped playing -- but it was a blast to see cars slamming on the breaks to avoid something invisible.

[Kalan]

Somebody made a comment about seeing invisible rope... Those judges were seeing invisible punches, and muffled body shots... and they missed a lot of head leveraging that Ward was doing... I'm trying to keep an eye on my currency trades as I'm doing these posts.

[scallum2015]

because Kovalev was a Russian and Vladimir Putin is a Russian too
and in their nutty liberal minds ,
Putin equals Trump and are best buds
so they couldnt possibly give the fight to Kovalev if it meant a Russian champion if they could help it
(and they did)
particularly when the 10th round started and knew Kovalev was winning on points going in to it.
Its all about Politics as usual.
What you think ?

Was Kovalev aware he was fighting in The Usa? He shouldve closed the show and not been intimadated to fight on the inside vs a light punching fighter moving up in weight . I was suprised that Team Kovalev game plan was to tie up on the inside. Frigging let your frigging hands go and see if what happens

[Caractacus]

also when one considers that Kovalev was the undisputed reigning Light-Heavyweight Champion going into the fight,
it makes you wonder even more
why the "Yank" judges gave it to Ward.

[Caractacus]

It could even be a subject for the topic of this television show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2yVZCVLK3E

[jamesmcdonnell]

The point is to do damage. Sergei did a lil more of that, that's probably why it seems like such a harsh decision.

The point of boxing is not to do damage.
Where did that come from? ... cough ... HBO ...

The point is to win by outlanding your opponent.
As per the rules of a scoring system.

This idea of damage is related to a KO, not all forms of winning.
Unless a fighter is showing clear visible damage,
scorers have no right to determine one fighter's jab is worth more because it's more powerful.
Don't you understand the huge bias in that system?

What about the many fights in which the "weaker" fight KOs the stronger fighter late?
Did you score early rounds for the "power" guy because you thought he was doing more damage?

No wonder you scored it for Ward. The amateurs is point based. Pros is the pain game. Get it right.

You havent a clue what you are talking about.

[boxing_rocks]

because Kovalev was a Russian and Vladimir Putin is a Russian too
and in their nutty liberal minds ,
Putin equals Trump and are best buds
so they couldnt possibly give the fight to Kovalev if it meant a Russian champion if they could help it
(and they did)
particularly when the 10th round started and knew Kovalev was winning on points going in to it.
Its all about Politics as usual.
What you think ?

Was Kovalev aware he was fighting in The Usa? He shouldve closed the show and not been intimadated to fight on the inside vs a light punching fighter moving up in weight . I was suprised that Team Kovalev game plan was to tie up on the inside. Frigging let your frigging hands go and see if what happens

I agree. Kovalev should've made his advantage in every round beyond obvious or better stopped the hugger.

[lazboy]

The point of boxing is not to do damage.
Where did that come from? ... cough ... HBO ...

The point is to win by outlanding your opponent.
As per the rules of a scoring system.

This idea of damage is related to a KO, not all forms of winning.
Unless a fighter is showing clear visible damage,
scorers have no right to determine one fighter's jab is worth more because it's more powerful.
Don't you understand the huge bias in that system?

What about the many fights in which the "weaker" fight KOs the stronger fighter late?
Did you score early rounds for the "power" guy because you thought he was doing more damage?

No wonder you scored it for Ward. The amateurs is point based. Pros is the pain game. Get it right.

You havent a clue what you are talking about.[/quote

Yes James, it is only you that knows anything about boxing.

[jamesmcdonnell]

No wonder you scored it for Ward. The amateurs is point based. Pros is the pain game. Get it right.

You havent a clue what you are talking about.[/quote

Yes James, it is only you that knows anything about boxing.

No, there are plenty of people on here, who understand how boxing matches are supposed to be scored, you just aren't one of them; the criteria you think are used to judge fights don't exist anywhere except in your own mind I'm afraid.

[zorndeslammes]

I can't stand Andre Ward or anything about him due to the way his career has been wasted. I believed he would pull out of the fight. I think he probably won't rematch Kovalev. And I think he won 114-113. Look deep in your hearts if you kept giving Kovalev rounds like the 5th.

[lazboy]

You havent a clue what you are talking about.[/quote

Yes James, it is only you that knows anything about boxing.

No, there are plenty of people on here, who understand how boxing matches are supposed to be scored, you just aren't one of them; the criteria you think are used to judge fights don't exist anywhere except in your own mind I'm afraid.

It's good to hear you're not alone in your delusional state. You have people that agree with you. You fit in. Belonging to a community is important.

[jamesmcdonnell]

You havent a clue what you are talking about.[/quote

Yes James, it is only you that knows anything about boxing.

No, there are plenty of people on here, who understand how boxing matches are supposed to be scored, you just aren't one of them; the criteria you think are used to judge fights don't exist anywhere except in your own mind I'm afraid.

It's good to hear you're not alone in your delusional state. You have people that agree with you. You fit in. Belonging to a community is important.

No, there are rules that govern the sport, that are used as criteria for judging by all of the local commissions and are present in the rules of the sanctioning bodies too, you can't just make up your own criteria, or rather you can, but they carry no weight, and they are not the ones used by professional judges - the problem for you, is that the very nature of rules are that you need to conform to them, in order for people to be competing on an equal playing field, if you don't have the same rules governing different sporting events, they are effectively not the same sport.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar, but these are the stated criteria, though they are loose, nowhere is 'damage' mentioned as a scoring criteria.

Clean punching
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship
Defence

You may choose to score fights based on who is more marked up, that's your choice, but you are judging the fight on criteria that don't exist. There's a good reason this criteria doesn't exist, because quite simply, some fighters bruise, cut and mark up more easily than others.

Strange that my 'delusion' is backed up by the stated scoring criteria and yours isn't - it begs the question which one of us is truly deluded?

[jockpunk]

I finally got around to watching the fight and can't believe you are all up in arms over this one. I despise andre ward and scored the fight 114-113 kovalev. It was an extremely close fight that could have gone either way. There have been dozens of worse decisions just this year.

[Tony1244]

because Kovalev was a Russian and Vladimir Putin is a Russian too
and in their nutty liberal minds ,
Putin equals Trump and are best buds
so they couldnt possibly give the fight to Kovalev if it meant a Russian champion if they could help it
(and they did)
particularly when the 10th round started and knew Kovalev was winning on points going in to it.
Its all about Politics as usual.
What you think ?

I don't think, I KNOW that like most of your convoluted theories, cultural marxism doesn't exist.

[Tony1244]

I honestly believe that several posters sit around in a field near Roswell wearing tin foil hats.
Waiting for the mother ship.

God help us all

This has nothing to do with a close fight or even a hometown decision, it's all a cultural marxism anti-Putin ploy.

[boxing_rocks]

Clean punching
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship
Defence

Kovalev was better in all 4 components.

[lazboy]

No, there are plenty of people on here, who understand how boxing matches are supposed to be scored, you just aren't one of them; the criteria you think are used to judge fights don't exist anywhere except in your own mind I'm afraid.

It's good to hear you're not alone in your delusional state. You have people that agree with you. You fit in. Belonging to a community is important.

No, there are rules that govern the sport, that are used as criteria for judging by all of the local commissions and are present in the rules of the sanctioning bodies too, you can't just make up your own criteria, or rather you can, but they carry no weight, and they are not the ones used by professional judges - the problem for you, is that the very nature of rules are that you need to conform to them, in order for people to be competing on an equal playing field, if you don't have the same rules governing different sporting events, they are effectively not the same sport.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar, but these are the stated criteria, though they are loose, nowhere is 'damage' mentioned as a scoring criteria.

Clean punching
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship
Defence

You may choose to score fights based on who is more marked up, that's your choice, but you are judging the fight on criteria that don't exist. There's a good reason this criteria doesn't exist, because quite simply, some fighters bruise, cut and mark up more easily than others.

Strange that my 'delusion' is backed up by the stated scoring criteria and yours isn't - it begs the question which one of us is truly deluded?

Need to clear your bull&$t up first and foremost. Not once did I talk about choosing to score the fight on who is marked up more. How ridiculous. It’s not a beauty contest. Fighters mark up easier than other, doesn’t mean shiittee unless your Vitali Klitschko and the fight needs to stop. That’s your own delusional definition. Re-read what I wrote. Pain does not mean who is marked up more. Did you assume that of me? Well, we all know what happens when one assumes. It makes an ass out of you and me…particularly you.

Now what’s clean punching James? Harder punches mean more than lighter punchers. It’s not fencing or your beauty contest, its pro boxing. It’s the pain game. It’s the ultimate albeit unwritten purpose, to inflict the most pain. If it wasn’t they should be wearing 25 ounce gloves, if those exist. When you have two fighters landing exactly the same amount of punches and ones punches are having no effect and the others are snapping the head back and wobbling the person. The latter has the better clean punches and should win the round.

I typed it into google also and look what I found. Read it. Learn something. Get out of your rut.

http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/n ... core-fight

[Tony1244]

well lets put it this way.
I have no doubt in my mind that all three of the judges were registered DEMOCRATS
and probably rabid Hillary Clinton supporters too.
What does Donald Trump have to do with it ?
Well Vladimir Putin (a Russian)was responsible for him winning the election
(in their twisted minds anyawy )and they wanted to exact revenge against him but had to take
it out on Kovalev instead because Putin wasnt in Las Vegas.
So now the light-Heavyeight Champion now isnt a Russian at least.

Damn Man, if you're getting High, STOP, and if you're not, START.