Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward does 160,000 PPV buys

Should a rematch be on HBO PPV?

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Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward does 160,000 PPV buys

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http://www.badlefthook.com/2016/11/29/1 ... 0-ppv-buys

No one was expecting a big number, and a big number didn’t appear.
In truth, expectations going into the fight were rather tempered considering that neither Ward nor Kovalev had been on PPV before and neither is a particularly big draw. So RingTV’s reported number of roughly 160,000 PPV buys certainly sounds about right.

It still is a bit of a shame, though. Kovalev-Ward was a truly competitive fight between two top pound-for-pound fighters which ultimately lived up to it’s hype, despite a rather controversial ending.

In that sense this number has to be at least a little disappointing because this fight truly represented the best of what boxing has to offer, even though it was absent any mainstream star-power to carry the promotion. So, just to put things in perspective, Manny Pacquiao’s perceived mismatch against Jessie Vargas just a couple weeks earlier did nearly twice as many PPV buys (roughly 300,000) than Kovalev-Ward did.

It is possible that the close proximity of those two PPV’s adversely affected the latter’s performance, but I don’t really buy into that theory. As good as both Kovalev and Ward are, neither one of them transcends the niche boxing audience, which I think has much more to do with the number of sales (or lack thereof).

Now, with all signs pointing towards a rematch, one has to wonder if Part II might not be better suited for a standard HBO telecast.
My take on this, it's done just 10,000 more than Golovkin-Lemieux and in that fight, it was Golovkin the only big name, whereas here, Ward and Kovalev are supposed to be big boxing names. For a first time PPV, I would still call it poor numbers, maybe the casuals didn't buy, or promotion wasn't done well. Now the big question, the artice states a rematch would need to be on standard HBO, however, how the first fight unfolded, could they risk PPV again, knowing a lot more people will be interested in the fight?
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No real promotion with the biggest name attached to the fight contractually unable to do anything (Jay-Z). HBO had very little to lead into this contest and get fans hyped. Neither guy was established on PPV. Ward's TV viewership fell through the year. Lots of factors involved, and probably little or nothing will be learned.

Here's the bottom line though: Ward demanded big money for the fight to happen, so to get that money, PPV became a necessity. Kovalev could have gone through with the Stevenson purse bid and let Haymon win and have to pay for the fight from his own pocket or drop belts. Instead, not only does Kovalev lose this fight, he doesn't get the big shine of network TV/big Showtime exposure and Main Events eats a lot of expenses to put it on.

No rematch. Ward, I hear, fulfilled his contract to HBO. He's a free agent in a market that has no real demand for his services at the prices he demands. Might be awhile before he fights again.
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That's 10% of what UFC has done combined this year, and people say UFC is the new boxing :lol:
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That's pretty poor, they must have expected more for the biggest fight of the year
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davie wrote:That's pretty poor, they must have expected more for the biggest fight of the year
It was the biggest fight of the year for us, not the casual fans. It did about what should have been expected.

Cue the entrance of the I told you so clown(s).
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DannyMCR wrote:That's 10% of what UFC has done combined this year, and people say UFC is the new boxing :lol:
What is 10%, the viewing figures or purse?

Where are you getting your figures from, a lot of UFC isn't even PPV.
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Post by jamesmcdonnell »

these figured are a little bit lower than I might have expected, but not much.

Ward is hardly a household name is he, and neither is Kovalev outside of Eastern Europe.
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DannyMCR wrote:That's 10% of what UFC has done combined this year, and people say UFC is the new boxing :lol:
What do you mean? UFC 200 did over 1 million buys and I think UFC 205 did around 1.5 million.
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ginty wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
davie wrote:That's pretty poor, they must have expected more for the biggest fight of the year
It was the biggest fight of the year for us, not the casual fans. It did about what should have been expected.

Cue the entrance of the I told you so clown(s).
My father in-law was in Vegas when the fight was on and said there's wasn't a big deal about it and if I hadn't of told him about the fight he wouldn't of known it was on
Only the very biggest events make a significant ripple in business as usual in Vegas.
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DannyMCR wrote:That's 10% of what UFC has done combined this year, and people say UFC is the new boxing :lol:
That's 10% of McGregor/Diaz 2.
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Can someone explain to me why the promoters chose not to do their job and actually promote this fight properly? I still can't work it out.

Also...what about the rematch clause? How does Ward get out of that?
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I am not American nor Brit, but I am sure that UK is the future of boxing. If Ward (or Kovalev) was Brit, PPV would be about 800 000.
I will repeat : it is an unbiased opinion.
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jujigatame wrote:
DannyMCR wrote:That's 10% of what UFC has done combined this year, and people say UFC is the new boxing :lol:
What do you mean? UFC 200 did over 1 million buys and I think UFC 205 did around 1.5 million.
Ahh, I see. Don't know why but for some reason I was under the impression they did 1.6 million all year
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Their worst ppvs do around 200k. Probably average 400 or so.
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Riddick Blowe wrote:Can someone explain to me why the promoters chose not to do their job and actually promote this fight properly? I still can't work it out.

Also...what about the rematch clause? How does Ward get out of that?
Jay z has never promoted a second of any of his fighters shows. Promoting in America died with premium cable & casinos.
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Ward didn't do himself any favors by his performance in enhancing any future PPV successes for himself either. This is why I believe someone like Ward is bad for the sport. His style does not appeal to the casual viewer. Even a lot of hard care fans are turned off by his tactics. So, now you have people buy his PPV and are let down.

The fight was decent, but only really while watching in real time. And if it weren't for Kov trying to make something exciting happen, it would have been a complete stinker.
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It's indifference, not style.
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Impractical Poster wrote:Ward didn't do himself any favors by his performance in enhancing any future PPV successes for himself either. This is why I believe someone like Ward is bad for the sport. His style does not appeal to the casual viewer. Even a lot of hard care fans are turned off by his tactics. So, now you have people buy his PPV and are let down.

The fight was decent, but only really while watching in real time. And if it weren't for Kov trying to make something exciting happen, it would have been a complete stinker.
He seems to have gathered hate. Keep that up and he'll have haters buying his fights to see him get KO'd, just like Mayweather haters.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:Ward didn't do himself any favors by his performance in enhancing any future PPV successes for himself either. This is why I believe someone like Ward is bad for the sport. His style does not appeal to the casual viewer. Even a lot of hard care fans are turned off by his tactics. So, now you have people buy his PPV and are let down.

The fight was decent, but only really while watching in real time. And if it weren't for Kov trying to make something exciting happen, it would have been a complete stinker.
He seems to have gathered hate. Keep that up and he'll have haters buying his fights to see him get KO'd, just like Mayweather haters.
I don't think so... I think Saad hit it on the head with his "Indifference" reply. Everything is just blah...
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Yep, indifference to what fans think would make you really unpopular.
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zorndeslammes wrote:No real promotion with the biggest name attached to the fight contractually unable to do anything (Jay-Z). HBO had very little to lead into this contest and get fans hyped. Neither guy was established on PPV. Ward's TV viewership fell through the year. Lots of factors involved, and probably little or nothing will be learned.

Here's the bottom line though: Ward demanded big money for the fight to happen, so to get that money, PPV became a necessity. Kovalev could have gone through with the Stevenson purse bid and let Haymon win and have to pay for the fight from his own pocket or drop belts. Instead, not only does Kovalev lose this fight, he doesn't get the big shine of network TV/big Showtime exposure and Main Events eats a lot of expenses to put it on.

No rematch. Ward, I hear, fulfilled his contract to HBO. He's a free agent in a market that has no real demand for his services at the prices he demands. Might be awhile before he fights again.
Wouldn't surprise me if Ward signs an exclusive deal with Showtime
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Riddick Blowe wrote:... what about the rematch clause? How does Ward get out of that?
Ward is only obliged to offer the opportunity of the rematch, but the precise terms have not been publicly disclosed, but I sincerely doubt that Roc Nation and the S.O.G. would have agreed to every one of Kathy Duva's stipulations.

Ward now claims himself to be the A-side fighter that is guaranteed to receive $5m for every PPV he participates in, which is paid by Roc Nation.

We also know that Ward's contract with HBO has expired, meaning he's a network free agent.

Now I'm not suggesting that this will happen, but it's a theoretical possibility, but HBO could be reluctant to televise the Ward-Kovalev rematch, because it wasn't a hugely popular fight commercially and the S.O.G. would still require a minimum $5m payday that has to be paid somehow.

HBO may be reluctant to offer Ward another exclusive contract with them, because his fighting style isn't aesthetically-pleasing to casual fans, much akin to how they offloaded Rigondeaux.

For Roc Nation and Andre Ward, it might be better for them both financially to sign with Showtime. Also, if they did sign with Showtime, the S.O.G. could technically fulfil the terms of his rematch clause by offering Kovalev a second fight, knowing full-well that he's unable to take it, due to his own exclusive contract with HBO.

This is how Ward "could theoretically" avoid the Kovalev rematch.

The situation is politically challenging, but my gut instinct tells me that Ward's pride will compel him to agree to an April 2017 rematch with Kovalev on HBO (PPV)... and if he wins that bout, he'll cross the street to sign with Showtime, because HBO may not have the necessary finances or commercial desire to retain his services.
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Lol, HBO has zero financial risk for a ppv. Nothing but profit. Reluctant? What a moron.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote:http://www.badlefthook.com/2016/11/29/1 ... 0-ppv-buys

No one was expecting a big number, and a big number didn’t appear
In truth, expectations going into the fight were rather tempered considering that neither Ward nor Kovalev had been on PPV before and neither is a particularly big draw. So RingTV’s reported number of roughly 160,000 PPV buys certainly sounds about right


It was a great fight, but it wasn't promoted well at all... NO multi-city tour and very little publicity... Very little conversation from the boxers who had nothing interesting to say... I never saw a commercial advertising the fight in regular media... The fighters didn't appear on talk shows and are dry talkers anyway.. But I expected a fantastically competitive 12-round fight with somebody hitting the floor... I expected more furious and sustained action than actually occurred... On paper you couldn't beat Kovalev-Ward... The fight wasn't fought as furiously as I thought, but a lot of that had to do with Ward's pushing, grabbing, and head-butting tactics. He stalled and messed around like Hopkins instead of fighting super hard.

De La Hoya-Mayweather was a very stinky fight---but they spent 10 million dollars promoting it.. They did the multi-city tours and press conferences. The pushing and threatening and trash talking made headlines.. You bought a soft drink and the fighters were on the can.. Everyone on Earth knew about it.. Non-boxing fans asked me about it and who was going to win, which amazed me.. They promoted Mayweather-Canelo to death in the same way... It was a very stinky fight and most people who watched it were disgusted by the lack of competitiveness -- no display of firepower and Canelo fought like a dead ass.. The Mayweather-Pacquiao promotion was an over-the-top promotion.. I've never seen anything like it. The world was abuzz about the fight and hyped on Pacquiao's chances.. The fight itself was very stinky with few good punches and a dead-slow pace... Most people were sorry they bothered to attend or buy the PPV.. The decision was right but it turned a lot of people off... They thought Pacquiao would get it because the crowd was cheering for him and booing Mayweather.

In comparison to those dreary-assed fights, Kovalev-Ward was a fabulous fight... There was a lot of drama because Ward was rocked in the first round and taking hard shots in the 2nd.. Then he hit the deck hard from a right hand.. Ward was shut out for the first 6, but fought on almost even terms from 7 through 12... Everyone anticipated a Kovalev victory after the fight...but when Ward was announced as a 1-point winner it was a joke.. The air went out of the balloon.. So when the fighters do a great job the officials destroy the fight.. I'm certain many people who watched were disgusted by the decision and will never buy PPV again.
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Golovkin > Ward+Kovalev
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