I wish more boxers would do this. While Loma received special attention, Beterbiev has been making his own way. He has some really good names under his belt for only having fought 10 pro fights.
The way the current model works, it seems Lomachenko would be much more legitimate had he faced low to subpar competition for his first 20 fights before facing who he faced in his 2nd pro fight. Even though it would only really be who he has faced since Salido that really matters anyway, people would find him more credible... Seems many are a fan of padding your record. But not too much. I believe that allowed limit before the bitching arises is between 15-20 fights.
You are absolutely correct; the current model in boxing would have legitimized him more to his detractors who see only win/loss records. What he has done in only 8 fights is extremely impressive from not only a current sense but also from a historical one. Of course people get FAR too carried away comparing an 8 fight pro with all time greats as it remains to be seen if Lomachenko can ascend to those heights. But through his first 8 fights if you're not impressed it's simply because you don't want to be.
Who has expressed that they are not impressed with Loma (including caldo2025)? Just wondering, because I have not read any post that has stated that Loma is less than impressive.
I get that threads like this are pointed at rabid fans who want to suckle the teat of their heroes. My post was not directed at anyone in particular. Rather it was more just stating the fact that regardless of which side of the extreme you lie on (Gary Russell is better than Oscar ( ) or having Lomachenko p4p #1 is a complete joke) in threads like this, Lomachenko has been really special through his first 8 fights. I think we all agree on that.
You are absolutely correct; the current model in boxing would have legitimized him more to his detractors who see only win/loss records. What he has done in only 8 fights is extremely impressive from not only a current sense but also from a historical one. Of course people get FAR too carried away comparing an 8 fight pro with all time greats as it remains to be seen if Lomachenko can ascend to those heights. But through his first 8 fights if you're not impressed it's simply because you don't want to be.
Who has expressed that they are not impressed with Loma (including caldo2025)? Just wondering, because I have not read any post that has stated that Loma is less than impressive.
I get that threads like this are pointed at rabid fans who want to suckle the teat of their heroes. My post was not directed at anyone in particular. Rather it was more just stating the fact that regardless of which side of the extreme you lie on (Gary Russell is better than Oscar ( ) or having Lomachenko p4p #1 is a complete joke) in threads like this, Lomachenko has been really special through his first 8 fights. I think we all agree on that.
Impractical Poster wrote:While the title of the thread does seem quite far fetched atm, it does not mean it won't end up being true. I would say that with an amateur record such as his, someone like him would have the potential to be in the running for that title. It is a bit too early to tell at this point, but I feel he will probably end up landing among the greatest of all time gang.
Tanzio wrote:What is funny is the fact that Loma was being touted as the greatest boxer ever before his first professional fight, although the true Lomachenkolytes will be quick to point out that (in their pea corrals) he had various numbers of pro matches somewhere east of Poland, sometime prior to 2014. They will also point out accurately that Salido pulled an FMJ (vJMM) fooljitsu move on Loma, consciously showing up a leftover turkey dinner north of the contracted weight.
Not all kidding aside, Lomachenkolytes actually make arguments that, after losing to the Ukrainian, most of his victims are HOF material. In case you were away, Gary Russell Jr is greater than ODLH and Tito since losing to Loma. Walters did not quit because somewhere between 126 and 130 he left his heart and axe behind. Oh no, Walters was beaten and humbled and on the verge of collapsing in a heap of bloody pulp. Indeed, beating a potential HOFer like Walters is clear and convincing evidence that their lord and savior has indeed ascended to P4P #1, where he has belonged since before another HOFer had to cheat horrendgously in order to rob Lomassiah of his rightful place at the head of all GOATs table.
Furthermore, anyone who does not agree with every detail of the scriptures according to Lomachenkolytes cannot be a fan of Lomassiah and shall be targeted for their blasphemy against their lord and saviour.
What else could these Lomachenkolytes ask for at this point? Their boy gets handed 2 title shots in his first 3 professional fights and now they want to just give him the same free ride to the top of the P4P rankings. No other boxer in the history of the sport has achieved so much without ever earning it first. That's one top spot i'll gladly give these knuckleheads. It's a more sensible topic.
You're forgetting Wilt Chamberlain amigo - the man who was the greatest heavyweight of all time, despite never actually having fought amateur or professional.
I stand corrected. Loma is second in history then. Completely forgot about The Stilt.
You are absolutely correct; the current model in boxing would have legitimized him more to his detractors who see only win/loss records. What he has done in only 8 fights is extremely impressive from not only a current sense but also from a historical one. Of course people get FAR too carried away comparing an 8 fight pro with all time greats as it remains to be seen if Lomachenko can ascend to those heights. But through his first 8 fights if you're not impressed it's simply because you don't want to be.
Who has expressed that they are not impressed with Loma (including caldo2025)? Just wondering, because I have not read any post that has stated that Loma is less than impressive.
I get that threads like this are pointed at rabid fans who want to suckle the teat of their heroes. My post was not directed at anyone in particular. Rather it was more just stating the fact that regardless of which side of the extreme you lie on (Gary Russell is better than Oscar ( ) or having Lomachenko p4p #1 is a complete joke) in threads like this, Lomachenko has been really special through his first 8 fights. I think we all agree on that.
Again, he's had a FEW impressive fights but everyone seems to gloss over the Salido loss like it didn't happen. We are STILL talking about a 7-1 fighter. A 7-1 fighter that has been fortunate enough to get THREE world title shots handed to him in 8 fights. In WHAT world does this not infuriate boxing purists. Most fighters with a 10 year career and 40 fights under their belt don't even get close to that. So i've got a bone to pick with the way this kid has been afforded these oppportunities. Arum has cheapened the sport and the work that thousands of boxers put in just to be considered a contender and get a possible world title shot.
Bullshit, he spared the world watching an elite talent butcher overmatched fighters in complete mismatches to build a record to satisfy you. That damn sure isn't purist. Hell, Walters was a mismatch. You'd rather see him fighting mexa-clay? Maybe step up to top 10 in 5 or 6 more fights? Gtfoh, arum has done everything a fan should want with Loma.
Tanzio wrote:
Who has expressed that they are not impressed with Loma (including caldo2025)? Just wondering, because I have not read any post that has stated that Loma is less than impressive.
I get that threads like this are pointed at rabid fans who want to suckle the teat of their heroes. My post was not directed at anyone in particular. Rather it was more just stating the fact that regardless of which side of the extreme you lie on (Gary Russell is better than Oscar ( ) or having Lomachenko p4p #1 is a complete joke) in threads like this, Lomachenko has been really special through his first 8 fights. I think we all agree on that.
Again, he's had a FEW impressive fights but everyone seems to gloss over the Salido loss like it didn't happen. We are STILL talking about a 7-1 fighter. A 7-1 fighter that has been fortunate enough to get THREE world title shots handed to him in 8 fights. In WHAT world does this not infuriate boxing purists. Most fighters with a 10 year career and 40 fights under their belt don't even get close to that. So i've got a bone to pick with the way this kid has been afforded these oppportunities. Arum has cheapened the sport and the work that thousands of boxers put in just to be considered a contender and get a possible world title shot.
What a bullshit! "Handed to him" ? Really??? His opponents didn't fight? Fighters who don't get a title shot after 20 fights are either not good enough or not promoted well enough.
Have you even watched the Salido fight? Do you know that he came way overweight and was allowed to foul non-stop ?
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Bullshit, he spared the world watching an elite talent butcher overmatched fighters in complete mismatches to build a record to satisfy you. That damn sure isn't purist. Hell, Walters was a mismatch. You'd rather see him fighting mexa-clay? Maybe step up to top 10 in 5 or 6 more fights? Gtfoh, arum has done everything a fan should want with Loma.
Ya, I agree with caldo some of the lomachenko overkill has been classic kneejerk stuff, but theres no argument from me that he's been moved appropriately, and no point not fast-tracking a guy like that, for boxing as a whole.
Tanzio wrote:
Who has expressed that they are not impressed with Loma (including caldo2025)? Just wondering, because I have not read any post that has stated that Loma is less than impressive.
I get that threads like this are pointed at rabid fans who want to suckle the teat of their heroes. My post was not directed at anyone in particular. Rather it was more just stating the fact that regardless of which side of the extreme you lie on (Gary Russell is better than Oscar ( ) or having Lomachenko p4p #1 is a complete joke) in threads like this, Lomachenko has been really special through his first 8 fights. I think we all agree on that.
Again, he's had a FEW impressive fights but everyone seems to gloss over the Salido loss like it didn't happen. We are STILL talking about a 7-1 fighter. A 7-1 fighter that has been fortunate enough to get THREE world title shots handed to him in 8 fights. In WHAT world does this not infuriate boxing purists. Most fighters with a 10 year career and 40 fights under their belt don't even get close to that. So i've got a bone to pick with the way this kid has been afforded these oppportunities. Arum has cheapened the sport and the work that thousands of boxers put in just to be considered a contender and get a possible world title shot.
You never saw anything like the below happen to Lomachenko when facing the top fighters at his weight... The anemic punching Floyd ducked the top undefeated guys in his weight division---Brook and Thurman---and cherry-picked 2nd rater Andre Berto... What a disgrace.
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:8 Fight's and not undefeated and some people rate him P4P number 1
Picking Walters by 5th round KO, then going after Loma's loss (not just in here) rather than giving him credit for schooling a guy you thought would KO him
By the way, a lot of bad attempts at being funny and clever in this thread. I also get the sense that some people would rate Loma more highly simply if he had beat up a bunch of nobodies and had 31 fights with 30 wins, rather than cutting out most of the crap and going straight to tough opposition. That's essentially an endorsement for record padding....
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ClivePatrickLyons wrote:8 Fight's and not undefeated and some people rate him P4P number 1
Picking Walters by 5th round KO, then going after Loma's loss (not just in here) rather than giving him credit for schooling a guy you thought would KO him
By the way, a lot of bad attempts at being funny and clever in this thread.
Idiots like that is one of the reasons why fighters are so much afraid to lose their zeros these days.
The OP also mentioned in another thread that Loma getting his title shots was 'disgusting'.
So would we rather have him spending years fighting cans first? He debuted by stopping a subsidiary titilist ranked in the WBO's top 15, therefore rightfully got a spot of his own and qualified as a title challenger, and then lost a close decision to the champ under questionable circumstances (tons of low blows, plus weight issues). Even the Salido loss proved more than him beating up 20 scrubs, and given the nature of the bout it's hardly dubious that he got another chance to fight for the belt when Salido was stripped for being too heavy.It was also not 'disgusting' that Loma got a shot at the WBO 130 title after having been champion at 126.
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crusader wrote:The OP also mentioned in another thread that Loma getting his title shots was 'disgusting'.
So would we rather have him spending years fighting can first? He debuted by stopping a guy ranked in the WBO's top 15, therefore got a spot of his own and qualified as a title challenger, and then lost a close decision to the champ under questionable circumstances,. Even the Salido loss proved more than him beating up 20 scrubs, and given the nature of the bout it's hardly dubious that he got a chance to fight for the belt again when Salido dropped it.
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:8 Fight's and not undefeated and some people rate him P4P number 1
Picking Walters by 5th round KO, then going after Loma's loss (not just in here) rather than giving him credit for schooling a guy you thought would KO him
By the way, a lot of bad attempts at being funny and clever in this thread. I also get the sense that some people would rate Loma more highly simply if he had beat up a bunch of nobodies and had 31 fights with 30 wins, rather than cutting out most of the crap and going straight to tough opposition. That's essentially an endorsement for record padding....
My pick was more of a wishful thinking prediction when I picked Walters by 5th round Ko I did mention lucky punch Loma was beat by a beatable veteran in Salido [who is a bit under-rated type of fighter] Salido lost to Juan Manual Marquez by un dec way back in 2004 was beaten by Mikey Garcia and Gamboa and was stopped 5 time's against inferior opposition before he met those type of fighter's I just mentioned.............. Loma is a very good fighter just stop being disrespectful to the guy's that have fought for year's to get to the top you people are putting the cart before the horse is all i'm saying....................And by the way Salido is 36 years old what are team Loma waiting for him to hit the big 40
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:8 Fight's and not undefeated and some people rate him P4P number 1
Picking Walters by 5th round KO, then going after Loma's loss (not just in here) rather than giving him credit for schooling a guy you thought would KO him
By the way, a lot of bad attempts at being funny and clever in this thread.
Idiots like that is one of the reasons why fighters are so much afraid to lose their zeros these days.
watch out......................I'm the IDIOT people who say Loma is P4P number 1 are the fuking idiot's he hasn't got that right as of now no matter who the fuc he's already beatin 7-1 Salido closer to 40 then 30
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:8 Fight's and not undefeated and some people rate him P4P number 1
Picking Walters by 5th round KO, then going after Loma's loss (not just in here) rather than giving him credit for schooling a guy you thought would KO him
By the way, a lot of bad attempts at being funny and clever in this thread. I also get the sense that some people would rate Loma more highly simply if he had beat up a bunch of nobodies and had 31 fights with 30 wins, rather than cutting out most of the crap and going straight to tough opposition. That's essentially an endorsement for record padding....
My pick was more of a wishful thinking prediction when I picked Walters by 5th round Ko I did mention lucky punch Loma was beat by a beatable veteran in Salido [who is a bit under-rated type of fighter] Salido lost to Juan Manual Marquez by un dec way back in 2004 was beaten by Mikey Garcia and Gamboa and was stopped 5 time's against inferior opposition before he met those type of fighter's I just mentioned.............. Loma is a very good fighter just stop being disrespectful to the guy's that have fought for year's to get to the top you people are putting the cart before the horse is all i'm saying....................And by the way Salido is 36 years old what are team Loma waiting for him to hit the big 40
Nice paper research. What a pity that you didn't watch that fight.
crusader wrote:
Picking Walters by 5th round KO, then going after Loma's loss (not just in here) rather than giving him credit for schooling a guy you thought would KO him
By the way, a lot of bad attempts at being funny and clever in this thread. I also get the sense that some people would rate Loma more highly simply if he had beat up a bunch of nobodies and had 31 fights with 30 wins, rather than cutting out most of the crap and going straight to tough opposition. That's essentially an endorsement for record padding....
My pick was more of a wishful thinking prediction when I picked Walters by 5th round Ko I did mention lucky punch Loma was beat by a beatable veteran in Salido [who is a bit under-rated type of fighter] Salido lost to Juan Manual Marquez by un dec way back in 2004 was beaten by Mikey Garcia and Gamboa and was stopped 5 time's against inferior opposition before he met those type of fighter's I just mentioned.............. Loma is a very good fighter just stop being disrespectful to the guy's that have fought for year's to get to the top you people are putting the cart before the horse is all i'm saying....................And by the way Salido is 36 years old what are team Loma waiting for him to hit the big 40
Nice paper research. What a pity that you didn't watch that fight.
Paper work in boxing today there is no one that's had under 10 fight's that P4P material.I want to watch the rematch Salido will be in his 60's
Strange to say the guys who supposedly worked their way up arent getting respect they deserve, when that supposed grind up was mainly them taking a bunch of easy fights; I say where's your respect for a fighter who cuts the crap? Why the obsession with quantity when in most cases it comes mainly from poor fights?
Someone like Thurman had been a pro for nearly 5 years and 20 fights before he faced an opponent with a pulse, and hes had under 10 bouts since. Crawford has only been fighting above clubfighter/journeyman level for 10 fights, and coming out of the Super Six Ward was recognized as one of the P4P elite, despite only having about 5 fights above the Sugar Poo Buchanan level. These guys rightfully get rated because of the wins that mattered, rather than all the junk before it, so why should Loma need that junk to deserve a P4P ranking?
Loma has fit a lot of quality into 8 fights, with convincing wins over Walters (top 3), Russell (top 5 or so shortly after), and Martinez (top 10), and his lack of overall fights isnt, on its own, a good reason to say that he doesn't deserve a P4P top ten spot. It's unfortunate that some boxing fans seem to value record padding and numbers without substance.
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:8 Fight's and not undefeated and some people rate him P4P number 1
Picking Walters by 5th round KO, then going after Loma's loss (not just in here) rather than giving him credit for schooling a guy you thought would KO him
By the way, a lot of bad attempts at being funny and clever in this thread. I also get the sense that some people would rate Loma more highly simply if he had beat up a bunch of nobodies and had 31 fights with 30 wins, rather than cutting out most of the crap and going straight to tough opposition. That's essentially an endorsement for record padding....
My pick was more of a wishful thinking prediction when I picked Walters by 5th round Ko I did mention lucky punch Loma was beat by a beatable veteran in Salido [who is a bit under-rated type of fighter] Salido lost to Juan Manual Marquez by un dec way back in 2004 was beaten by Mikey Garcia and Gamboa and was stopped 5 time's against inferior opposition before he met those type of fighter's I just mentioned.............. Loma is a very good fighter just stop being disrespectful to the guy's that have fought for year's to get to the top you people are putting the cart before the horse is all i'm saying....................And by the way Salido is 36 years old what are team Loma waiting for him to hit the big 40
Ridiculous nonsense... Lomachenko should be considered 8-0... The press almost unanimously condemned the decision.. The punch stats favored Lomachenko by a solid margin and even they didn't account for the many low blows and fouls Salido committed.. Laurence Cole was suspended by the Boxing Commission for partisan refereeing and he's been a brutally corrupt referee for a long time. He allowed Salido to foul with impunity.. Punches to the hips and thighs and hits on the break.. The judge selection was pathetic because they were all Americans and Salido has lived in America for some time... In international fights Commissions usually try to make the appearance of being non-partisan by appointing judges from neutral countries making them less biased and more difficult to bribe than local judges.. When Kovalev fought in Russia, the Russian Commission appointed an American referee, and judges from Nicaragua, Hungary, and America.
And after he dominated and knocked out Rocky Martinez (who beat Salido) Lomachenko said he wanted revenge on Salido... So it not that the fight hasn't been offered to Salido... Salido is a very dirty fighter.. In his Mikey Garcia fight he smashed Garcia's nose with a brutal head butt, driving straight in like a bulldozer.. The fight was stopped because Garcia's nose was badly smashed, and Garcia won a technical decision.
punchoutsb wrote:
I get that threads like this are pointed at rabid fans who want to suckle the teat of their heroes. My post was not directed at anyone in particular. Rather it was more just stating the fact that regardless of which side of the extreme you lie on (Gary Russell is better than Oscar ( ) or having Lomachenko p4p #1 is a complete joke) in threads like this, Lomachenko has been really special through his first 8 fights. I think we all agree on that.
Again, he's had a FEW impressive fights but everyone seems to gloss over the Salido loss like it didn't happen. We are STILL talking about a 7-1 fighter. A 7-1 fighter that has been fortunate enough to get THREE world title shots handed to him in 8 fights. In WHAT world does this not infuriate boxing purists. Most fighters with a 10 year career and 40 fights under their belt don't even get close to that. So i've got a bone to pick with the way this kid has been afforded these oppportunities. Arum has cheapened the sport and the work that thousands of boxers put in just to be considered a contender and get a possible world title shot.
You never saw anything like the below happen to Lomachenko when facing the top fighters at his weight... The anemic punching Floyd ducked the top undefeated guys in his weight division---Brook and Thurman---and cherry-picked 2nd rater Andre Berto... What a disgrace.
crusader wrote:The OP also mentioned in another thread that Loma getting his title shots was 'disgusting'.
So would we rather have him spending years fighting cans first? He debuted by stopping a subsidiary titilist ranked in the WBO's top 15, therefore rightfully got a spot of his own and qualified as a title challenger, and then lost a close decision to the champ under questionable circumstances (tons of low blows, plus weight issues). Even the Salido loss proved more than him beating up 20 scrubs, and given the nature of the bout it's hardly dubious that he got another chance to fight for the belt when Salido was stripped for being too heavy.It was also not 'disgusting' that Loma got a shot at the WBO 130 title after having been champion at 126.
First off, i've had enough of the excuses with the Salido loss. Pointing to Salido's weight and the ref not calling it fair is a horrible looks for you Lomachicks. Loma agreed to the ref for that fight AND he climbed through the ropes knowing that Salido didn't make weight even though he could have walked away at that point. BS. He lost. Fair and square. Be honest about it.
In regards to you statement above bolded out, umm.....well yeah. I mean, title shots used to be earned inside the ring. I would have been fine if Loma got BIG fights with contenders and big names first and not title shots. I have no problem with fast tracking a boxer with big fights and no duds. But Loma made demands prior to signing with Arum and a title shot right away was one of his requirements. ONE OF HIS REQUIREMENTS? Do you see how ass backwards this is? The requirement from Loma is putrid enough but what trumps that is the fact that Arum got it done some how. A real sport would look into this back alley bs to see how it got done. It's sad.
crusader wrote:The OP also mentioned in another thread that Loma getting his title shots was 'disgusting'.
So would we rather have him spending years fighting cans first? He debuted by stopping a subsidiary titilist ranked in the WBO's top 15, therefore rightfully got a spot of his own and qualified as a title challenger, and then lost a close decision to the champ under questionable circumstances (tons of low blows, plus weight issues). Even the Salido loss proved more than him beating up 20 scrubs, and given the nature of the bout it's hardly dubious that he got another chance to fight for the belt when Salido was stripped for being too heavy.It was also not 'disgusting' that Loma got a shot at the WBO 130 title after having been champion at 126.
First off, i've had enough of the excuses with the Salido loss. Pointing to Salido's weight and the ref not calling it fair is a horrible looks for you Lomachicks. Loma agreed to the ref for that fight AND he climbed through the ropes knowing that Salido didn't make weight even though he could have walked away at that point. BS. He lost. Fair and square. Be honest about it.
In regards to you statement above bolded out, umm.....well yeah. I mean, title shots used to be earned inside the ring. I would have been fine if Loma got BIG fights with contenders and big names first and not title shots. I have no problem with fast tracking a boxer with big fights and no duds. But Loma made demands prior to signing with Arum and a title shot right away was one of his requirements. ONE OF HIS REQUIREMENTS? Do you see how ass backwards this is? The requirement from Loma is putrid enough but what trumps that is the fact that Arum got it done some how. A real sport would look into this back alley bs to see how it got done. It's sad.
I don't really make too much of the loss, he was adjusting to the pro game - it's not an excuse, it's a fact.
Lomachenko is hardly the first amateur golden boy to be given the velvet rope treatment is he? It's always happened in boxing.
Anyway, I look forward to seeing how the rest of his career pans out.
crusader wrote:The OP also mentioned in another thread that Loma getting his title shots was 'disgusting'.
So would we rather have him spending years fighting cans first? He debuted by stopping a subsidiary titilist ranked in the WBO's top 15, therefore rightfully got a spot of his own and qualified as a title challenger, and then lost a close decision to the champ under questionable circumstances (tons of low blows, plus weight issues). Even the Salido loss proved more than him beating up 20 scrubs, and given the nature of the bout it's hardly dubious that he got another chance to fight for the belt when Salido was stripped for being too heavy.It was also not 'disgusting' that Loma got a shot at the WBO 130 title after having been champion at 126.
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First off, i've had enough of the excuses with the Salido loss. Pointing to Salido's weight and the ref not calling it fair is a horrible looks for you Lomachicks. Loma agreed to the ref for that fight AND he climbed through the ropes knowing that Salido didn't make weight even though he could have walked away at that point. BS. He lost. Fair and square. Be honest about it.
In regards to you statement above bolded out, umm.....well yeah. I mean, title shots used to be earned inside the ring. I would have been fine if Loma got BIG fights with contenders and big names first and not title shots. I have no problem with fast tracking a boxer with big fights and no duds. But Loma made demands prior to signing with Arum and a title shot right away was one of his requirements. ONE OF HIS REQUIREMENTS? Do you see how ass backwards this is? The requirement from Loma is putrid enough but what trumps that is the fact that Arum got it done some how. A real sport would look into this back alley bs to see how it got done. It's sad.
Winning your title fights is a pretty good sign that you deserved them.
crusader wrote:The OP also mentioned in another thread that Loma getting his title shots was 'disgusting'.
So would we rather have him spending years fighting cans first? He debuted by stopping a subsidiary titilist ranked in the WBO's top 15, therefore rightfully got a spot of his own and qualified as a title challenger, and then lost a close decision to the champ under questionable circumstances (tons of low blows, plus weight issues). Even the Salido loss proved more than him beating up 20 scrubs, and given the nature of the bout it's hardly dubious that he got another chance to fight for the belt when Salido was stripped for being too heavy.It was also not 'disgusting' that Loma got a shot at the WBO 130 title after having been champion at 126.
First off, i've had enough of the excuses with the Salido loss. Pointing to Salido's weight and the ref not calling it fair is a horrible looks for you Lomachicks. Loma agreed to the ref for that fight AND he climbed through the ropes knowing that Salido didn't make weight even though he could have walked away at that point. BS. He lost. Fair and square. Be honest about it.
In regards to you statement above bolded out, umm.....well yeah. I mean, title shots used to be earned inside the ring. I would have been fine if Loma got BIG fights with contenders and big names first and not title shots. I have no problem with fast tracking a boxer with big fights and no duds. But Loma made demands prior to signing with Arum and a title shot right away was one of his requirements. ONE OF HIS REQUIREMENTS? Do you see how ass backwards this is? The requirement from Loma is putrid enough but what trumps that is the fact that Arum got it done some how. A real sport would look into this back alley bs to see how it got done. It's sad.
I don't really make too much of the loss, he was adjusting to the pro game - it's not an excuse, it's a fact.
Lomachenko is hardly the first amateur golden boy to be given the velvet rope treatment is he? It's always happened in boxing.
Anyway, I look forward to seeing how the rest of his career pans out.
That fight was close, so if Salido had to dehydrate to the proper weight or if the ref took a point from him and/or decreased his fouling, Loma would have had a W.
The fact that ref was ignoring fouling and Loma didn't get a decision makes me think that Arum wanted to teach him a lesson and/or wanted to see what he is really worth, so he didn't work with the judges.
) or having Lomachenko p4p #1 is a complete joke) in threads like this, Lomachenko has been really special through his first 8 fights. I think we all agree on that.
in boxing today there is no one that's had under 10 fight's that P4P material.I want to watch the rematch Salido will be in his 60's