Does D. Whyte belong to top 10 HW right now ?

[sharpei_louis]

Chisora is a gatekeeper but such a difficult one to rate opponents against; he can turn up and be a top 10 heavy, or he can not turn up and perform like barely top 50.
From the first couple of rounds I was pretty confident a top form Chisora turned up, and I think a draw would've been a reasonable decision.
I think both he and Whyte are decent top 15-ers, and to be honest most of the top 10 listed on here are well overrated and would have a tough night's work with Whyte or a top form Chisora.
I think Whyte probably showed as much v Chisora as Ortiz showed vs Dave Allen tbh.

[BonyTellew]

Maybe not right now but give it time Eddie will have him in there for world title fights so has the potential to move up the rankings with a big win against a Parker or Wilder.

[tigermoth87]

No

I had him losing against Chisora. He did better than expected but I still don't have him as any more than a top 30 fighter.

[Lackeos]

look, even guys like duhaupas or browne, they beat quality opponents, one beat mike perez and artur splizka, the other beat manuel charr and ko'd helenius.

Which one beat Mike Perez and Artur Szpilka? Did you just open up Bryant Jennings's record and think you were looking at Browne's record? I think you just made an argument that Jennings should be in your rankings and Browne should not.

Having said that, Whyte beat Chisora. Chisora is better than Perez, better than Szpilka, better than Chagaev, better than Charr, better than Helenius.

[Grailer]

HEAVYWEIGHT (Over 201 lbs) ( Over 91.17 kgs)
Title Name Country
CHAMPION VACANT
1 Joseph Parker (Oriental) NZ
2 Wladimir Klitschko (Sup. Champion) UKR
3 Andy Ruiz USA
4 David Haye UK
5 Hughie Fury (Int-Cont.) UK

Sorry guys I don't see Whytes name in top 5 or top 10 so he won't be fighting Parker anytime soon. He has to earn his way to the title shot not talk his way to title shot. But a few more wins against quality fighters and he will get there.

Time for Klitshko / Haye or either one of the Furys to take a shot at the real world champ ( Joseph Parker )

[lazboy]

You can never be sure from one fight whether the higher ranked guy was overrated, whether the lower ranked guy was underrated, or a mixture of both. I've always believed that Chisora was top 10, and that Whyte was underrated, but without a lot of evidence to back it up. After this fight, I think the safest course of action is to rank each of them at about #10-14 until there is further evidence to go on. Let's not forget that Chisora stopped Malik Scott, competed on close terms with Pulev, and beat a variety of gatekeepers like KJ, Pala and Gerber. Whyte was quite competitive with Joshua, unlike Martin and Molina, who was laughably ranked #10 on boxrec.

To get specific, I think there are 8 fighters who belong clearly above Chisora and Whyte (Fury, Wlad, Ortiz, Wilder, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Haye), and there are two who belong in a similar class (Takam, Jennings). So if it were my own ratings, I would probably put Whyte at #10 and Chisora at #11.

100% everything you said

I've thought about it more. I agree, I don't think Whyte could beat Fury, today's Wlad, Povetkin, Pulev, Haye and Wilder but there's one name you mentioned I'm skeptical about, I'm calling this,I think he could beat Parker. Styles make fights. He needs to hit the road work and improve his defense to be the real favorite. He could do it or he becomes the label the media have given him, the next Chisora. So i Agree 98%.

[zorndeslammes]

Wlad reduced his punch output from his fight with Jennings compared to Fury by about 300 punches. In his last 11 or 12 fights, he was averaging about 45 punches per round, which is the heavyweight average according to compubox. In his fight vs Fury, Wlad's output dropped to about 19 punches per round that he threw. Throwing that much less punches is what I am talking about, and no, it wasn't the same way he always fights, especially in terms of throwing punches/pulling the trigger.

A) Often when fighters lose, it is because they don't get to manage fights the way they desire. Virtually everyone Hopkins ever fought from his title run on ended up with significantly lower punch output against him. Not all of these people were washed up. If you want to make that claim, it is absurd and you'd be called on it instantly.

B) Fury's punch output was significantly lower as well. Is he washed up on the basis of the Klitschko fight? Neither man was active.

Your extremely low punch output claim in every single fight is simply false because it is the heavyweight average. Pulev was only an inch or so shorter, and Wach an inch and a half taller, Pianeta an inch shorter, etc. He had dealt with the height before. Fury took Wlad out of his normal game. It was more his actions, not so much his height.

If I drive the speed limit in Bahamas, and I drive the speed limit in Montana, am I driving the same speed? Klitschko being an average activity heavyweight is low by any other standard. He throws a ton of jabs and hugs. Everyone who has watched Klitschko fight the last 15 years knows this is what he became after the Brewster loss.

"Fury took Wlad out of his normal game....It was more his actions"....so is he washed up or did Fury utilize an unfamiliar combination of lateral movement and size to freeze Klitschko? Because the latter doesn't require the former.

[Badhusker]

Wlad reduced his punch output from his fight with Jennings compared to Fury by about 300 punches. In his last 11 or 12 fights, he was averaging about 45 punches per round, which is the heavyweight average according to compubox. In his fight vs Fury, Wlad's output dropped to about 19 punches per round that he threw. Throwing that much less punches is what I am talking about, and no, it wasn't the same way he always fights, especially in terms of throwing punches/pulling the trigger.

A) Often when fighters lose, it is because they don't get to manage fights the way they desire. Virtually everyone Hopkins ever fought from his title run on ended up with significantly lower punch output against him. Not all of these people were washed up. If you want to make that claim, it is absurd and you'd be called on it instantly.

B) Fury's punch output was significantly lower as well. Is he washed up on the basis of the Klitschko fight? Neither man was active.

Your extremely low punch output claim in every single fight is simply false because it is the heavyweight average. Pulev was only an inch or so shorter, and Wach an inch and a half taller, Pianeta an inch shorter, etc. He had dealt with the height before. Fury took Wlad out of his normal game. It was more his actions, not so much his height.

If I drive the speed limit in Bahamas, and I drive the speed limit in Montana, am I driving the same speed? Klitschko being an average activity heavyweight is low by any other standard. He throws a ton of jabs and hugs. Everyone who has watched Klitschko fight the last 15 years knows this is what he became after the Brewster loss.

"Fury took Wlad out of his normal game....It was more his actions"....so is he washed up or did Fury utilize an unfamiliar combination of lateral movement and size to freeze Klitschko? Because the latter doesn't require the former.

Look, you can spin it 100 different ways, but the fact is, Wlad didn't fight like he normally does. Pick any reason you like. What Fury did, what Wlad didn't do, whatever. Sometimes, when you get a certain age or against a certain fighter, you do not fight like you normally do. If the other guy controls the pace, takes you out of your normal game and punch output, you are not the same. I don't know how to put it any more plainly. Wlad may have tried to fight like he normally does, but didn't.

Whatever man, lets just agree to disagree.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

You only have to be top 15 now to challenge for the belt top 10 the bottom 9/10 but certainly top 15 he's seems to be getting fitter and more muscle on his frame since his fight with Joshua its like he's starting to believe in himself since that Joshua fight he'll be dangerous for just about anyone.

[dookus]

Wlad reduced his punch output from his fight with Jennings compared to Fury by about 300 punches. In his last 11 or 12 fights, he was averaging about 45 punches per round, which is the heavyweight average according to compubox. In his fight vs Fury, Wlad's output dropped to about 19 punches per round that he threw. Throwing that much less punches is what I am talking about, and no, it wasn't the same way he always fights, especially in terms of throwing punches/pulling the trigger.

A) Often when fighters lose, it is because they don't get to manage fights the way they desire. Virtually everyone Hopkins ever fought from his title run on ended up with significantly lower punch output against him. Not all of these people were washed up. If you want to make that claim, it is absurd and you'd be called on it instantly.

B) Fury's punch output was significantly lower as well. Is he washed up on the basis of the Klitschko fight? Neither man was active.

Your extremely low punch output claim in every single fight is simply false because it is the heavyweight average. Pulev was only an inch or so shorter, and Wach an inch and a half taller, Pianeta an inch shorter, etc. He had dealt with the height before. Fury took Wlad out of his normal game. It was more his actions, not so much his height.

If I drive the speed limit in Bahamas, and I drive the speed limit in Montana, am I driving the same speed? Klitschko being an average activity heavyweight is low by any other standard. He throws a ton of jabs and hugs. Everyone who has watched Klitschko fight the last 15 years knows this is what he became after the Brewster loss.

"Fury took Wlad out of his normal game....It was more his actions"....so is he washed up or did Fury utilize an unfamiliar combination of lateral movement and size to freeze Klitschko? Because the latter doesn't require the former.

Look, you can spin it 100 different ways, but the fact is, Wlad didn't fight like he normally does. Pick any reason you like. What Fury did, what Wlad didn't do, whatever. Sometimes, when you get a certain age or against a certain fighter, you do not fight like you normally do. If the other guy controls the pace, takes you out of your normal game and punch output, you are not the same. I don't know how to put it any more plainly. Wlad may have tried to fight like he normally does, but didn't.

Whatever man, lets just agree to disagree.

I think a combination of the two. What Fury did was give him a whole new fight plan to deal with and the kind of movement that meant Wlad couldn't set his feet to throw. But the fact that Wlad couldn't adapt and relied on setting himself is itself a consequence of getting old.