golden oldie,
You've surpassed yourself this time.
It definitely does irk you, hence you foolishly arguing with anyone, all over the net in the face of overwhelming information to the contrary who doesn't worship Roy Jones Jr.
I like to debate with knowledgeable fans who are objective.
You're as bad as a troll.
There are plenty of folks who don't believe Jones Jr is a genuine ATG. You just put too much importance on the opinions of fanboys. They don't count.
You're just as biased as the average fanboy.
No sh*t, Einstein.
The point is:
Glen wasn't a renowned puncher, the punch wasn't particularly hard, and the doctor said he was severely dehydrated. All of which means that there was something clearly wrong. It was out of the ordinary. Although I give Glen credit for his tactics, I don't think Roy was physically or mentally fit enough to get back in the ring so soon after the Tarver defeat, and I don't think Glen would ever have beaten Roy before he went up to HW.
Weren't you the one who claimed,
1. Roy Jones deserved all the credit in the world for entering the ring at 196, and beating the 225 + Ruiz?
2. That the loss to Tarver was due to him " losing " the extra weight suddenly taking effect 14 months later?
1. I think Roy deserves a lot of credit for how he beat Ruiz with absolute ease.
2. Regarding Tarver, no, I never said that. That's all in your head. I've always given Tarver huge credit for his knockout win. It was the perfect punch. However, you could see in their first fight that he'd slowed down and he wasn't the fighter he'd once been. Yes, he was still a top fighter, but he wasn't in his prime. He looked different after the weight loss, and Tarver himself, as well as Chris Byrd and Chad Dawson, also suffered the same fate. You can read their accounts.
Yet here you are now claiming that even though he was equal in weight to the guys who sparked him, he only lost because they were big hitting Cruisers.
This highlights just how pathetic you are.
He lost to Lebedev because he had no business being in the ring with him. He was light years past his prime. If you've no sympathy, that's fine by me. But tell it like it is.
He was 42 fighting way beyond his natural weight class, only because he couldn't make LHW anymore because he couldn't do roadwork because of his knees. He'd also been inactive for over a year. Nobody but you would hold losses to Lebedev and Enzo against him. He shouldn't have been fighting. He should have retired years ago. They mean nothing. The Ruiz version of Roy would have beaten both of those guys on the same night.
Like I said your pathetic excuses for his defeats do have a certain comedic value, but that I suspect is mostly down to the level of blind fanboyism you employ whilst dreaming them up.
What pathetic excuses have I given?
I've given Tarver credit.
I've given Glen credit for his tactics.
I am still waiting for the list of genuine ATG's that were put to sleep by the likes of Glenn Johnson, Tarver, Maccarinelli, and Lebedev.
Let's get one thing straight:
The likes of Tarver and Lebedev etc, are/were good fighters.
They aren't/weren't scrubs.
Now seeing as though I'm apparently making excuses for Roy, let's see what you've got to say about the following:
Alexis Arguello was iced by a non great fighter at the beginning of his career.
Benny Leonard suffered the same fate.
Henry Armstrong was knocked out on his debut.
Ezzard Charles was taken out by non great fighters at the end of his career when he was past his best and broke.
Emile Griffith was taken out by Rubin Carter.
Bob Foster was taken out at the end of his career.
Thomas Hearns was taken out by Iran Barkley.
Mike Tyson was taken out by Douglas in his early 20's, and by journeymen like Williams at the end of his career.
Lennox Lewis was taken out by McCall and Rahman.
Wladimir Klitschko was taken out by the likes of Brewster and Sanders in his mid 20's.
Manny Pacquiao was iced twice on his way up by non great fighters in Singurat and Torrecampo.
How do you like that chief??
Remember, if I can't give reasons as to why Roy lost because they're apparently excuses, then I'm not not going to afford you the same opportunity.
So Roy's losses to the likes of Tarver at 35 are somehow shocking, even though Manny and Hearns lost to guys like Singurat and Barkley??
Were those guys on another level to the likes of Tarver?
Was Rubin Carter?
You are a JOKE!
At the end of the day, nobody really gives a f*ck about the above, because a fighter should be OBJECTIVELY judged on his OVERALL BODY OF WORK.
Sure, the losses can't be ignored. We can't pretend that they didn't happen. But they have to be put into CONTEXT.
Some of those guys listed lost to guys of Tarver's calibre BEFORE they even reached the heights that Roy did.
Imagine what you'd be saying if Roy had been iced by the likes of Tarver and Johnson EARLY in his career like those listed were? Ha!
If you genuinely don't think that Roy was an ATG based on losses at 35 to guys like Tarver and Johnson, and you're going to completely ignore everything that he did beforehand, then you my friend are absolutely f*cking clueless, and you need to delete your account ASAP.
I CANNOT WAIT to read your BS response. Although if I were you, I'd find another thread and forget about it.
