Different leagues of Heavyweights.

[Crease]

There's people on this site who're making some mad statements thqat I totally disgree with, such as (apparently) Ken Norton, Larry Holmes and Sonny Liston could defeat Marciano, which I just can't really see happening to be frank.

SO.

Here are 5 different leagues where you can put these heavyweights into. (Please don't put more than 10 into 1 league, but if you want to you can put in as little as 5 into a league you may).
League 1 being the best, League 5 being the least good between the company).

The leagues are;

League 1- TRUE LEGENDS.
(The best heavyweight boxers the world has ever seen)

League 2- NEARLY LEGENDS.
(Next to the top 10, but could kick anyone elses ass)

Lague 3 - THE UNFORGETTABLE GREATS.
(The greatest heavyweights who will be remembered fondly but no Legends)

League 4- THE CLASSICS.
(Classic fighters who will not be considered greats but will always be thought very highly of).

Lague 5- THE UNTOUCHBALES.
(Untouchable fighters who weren't greats or classics but were among the good fighters of the past).




Here is an extensive list of the great heavyweights in history (which I can think of off-hand. Don't start agrueing about my list if I left someone out just merely put in the man I've forgot).

John L. Sullivan
Jim Corbett
Bob Fitzsimmons
James J. Jeffries
Marvin Hart
Tommy Burns
Jack Johnson
Jess Willard
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Max Schmeling
Jack Sharkey
Primo Carnera
Max Bear
James J. Braddock
Joe Louis
Billy Conn
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Rocky Marciano
Roland La Starza
Floyd Patterson
Archie Moore
Ingemar Johanson
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Ken Norton
Leon Spinks
Larry Holmes
Michael Spinks
Mike Tyson
James "Buster" Douglas
Evander Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Michael Moorer
George Foreman
Shannon Briggs
Lennox Lewis
Hasim Rahman
Lennox Lewis
Vitali Klitscho
Chris Byrd

[Crease]

Mine would be...

LEAGUE 1
Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Jack Dempsey Jack Johnson and Mike Tyson. (I only put 8, becuase I think there's no-one else who would come close to these boys).

LEAGUE 2
John L. Sullivan, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Sonny Liston,

LEAGUE 3
Ken Norton, Max Schmeling, Floyd Patterson, Gene Tunney, Evander Hollyfield, James J. Jeffries,

LEAGUE 4
Roland La Starza, Leon Spinks, Primo Carnera, Archie Moore, Max Bear, Henry Cooper, Jim Corbett

LEAGUE 5
Billy Conn, Chris Byrd, Michael Spinks, Vitali Klitchsko,

[Crease]

C'mon yous boys, who would you consider to the very best Heavyweights of all time. I would pick, (as I previuosly stated)

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
George Forman
Joe Frazier
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson +
Mike Tyson.

I think these are the greatest fighters of all time...I believe they wouyld all defeat the likes of Lennox Lewis, Larry Holmes or any other heavyweight not mentioned...

[Crease]

Where are all you guys who stated that Holmes and Lewis would defeta Rocky now??? Cat got your tongue?

The simple fact is that both Lewis and Holmes were great champions, but no they couldn't really be considered legneds could they?

[Ambling Alp]

Crease - This is an interesting idea. Are you planning to put the other guys that you mentioned (Fitzsimmons, Sharkey, Bowe etc.) in one of the 5 leagues?

Of course you won't find 2 people that will do this the exact same way, but here is where I would differ with what you have so far:

I would put Holmes in League 1.
Drop Tyson from League 1 to League 2.
Move Tunney, Jeffries, and Holyfield up to League 2. (You could even argue that they could be league 1)
Drop Sullivan, Waclott,and Charles to League 3.
Drop Henry Cooper to League 5 or out completely.

Langford,McVey,Wills, and Jeanette need to be here too. Probably in League 2 or League 3.
I will do a complete list , in a few days.

Like I said before, this is an interesting idea.