battle for the Isle... who wins
battle for the Isle... who wins
Randolph Turpin vs. Jock McAvoy...
i agree barry,
but it wasn't so much the turpin that showed up for the robinson fight, turpin was a very good fighter "if" not great and all greats can be beat and do lose a few even the SRR's...
but the piont to this question is to establish what the "authors" of BOTH McAvoy's biographies claim and state "as do most others", is that mac was britains greatest MW... which i also believe.
so what of mac vs. benn, watson, eubank and now we can through in Calzaghe...
which brings us back to Mac and the american Middlewieghts of his period which he was not allowed to fight late 30s early 40s!
but it wasn't so much the turpin that showed up for the robinson fight, turpin was a very good fighter "if" not great and all greats can be beat and do lose a few even the SRR's...
but the piont to this question is to establish what the "authors" of BOTH McAvoy's biographies claim and state "as do most others", is that mac was britains greatest MW... which i also believe.
so what of mac vs. benn, watson, eubank and now we can through in Calzaghe...
which brings us back to Mac and the american Middlewieghts of his period which he was not allowed to fight late 30s early 40s!
A mythical match-up between Turpin and McAvoy is a fight I have mused upon a number of times and never as is often the case come up with a definitive answer.
Prime versus prime and with McAvoys hands holding up gets the nod two out of three times for me. Turpin had the speed and ability to outbox McAvoy but I just feel if McAvoy didn't catch Turpin cold then his brutal bodyshots would be the key to points victory in a tough and very close fight.
Bit more here.
http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28520
Prime versus prime and with McAvoys hands holding up gets the nod two out of three times for me. Turpin had the speed and ability to outbox McAvoy but I just feel if McAvoy didn't catch Turpin cold then his brutal bodyshots would be the key to points victory in a tough and very close fight.
Bit more here.
http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28520
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I think McAvoy was one of the top middleweights of all-time and I too think that he is the best British middleweight ever with the possible exception of Len Harvey. If given the opportunity I think he would have been middleweight champion and it is a shame that he was avoided the way he was. Against the likes of Benn, Eubank, Watson and Calzaghe I think McAvoy comes out on top every time. McAvoy was pretty much a complete package. Power, skill, toughness, strength, courage, will and anything else. He was one of the most powerful middleweights that I have ever researched.
I think that he would knock Benn out pretty early because of Benn’s style. Benn was one of the hardest hitting middleweights ever, but I think McAvoy could weather anything Benn threw at him, but I don’t think Benn could withstand what McAvoy would put on him. I believe it would be a quick and very exciting fight with McAvoy winning by clean knockout.
I think Eubank would give McAvoy the most trouble, but I don’t think Chris would be doing any posing with McAvoy. I believe it would be a very hard fought decision win for McAvoy. Eubank was probably more skilled and as far as courage and heart, they both were pretty even, but I think McAvoy is ahead in other departments…especially in strength and power, which I think would be the telling factor of the bout.
I don’t know as much about Watson as I do the others and pretty much the only fights of his that I have seen are the bouts with Benn and Eubank. Even though he beat Benn I feel that he is third between them and I feel that had Benn and he fought a rematch a couple of years later that Benn would have won because at the time of their first fight Benn had won all 22 of his bouts by knockout and I believe that in a rematch he would have been more apt to really box, but then again Watson may have just had his number and would have won regardless of what Benn tried, but concerning McAvoy I think Watson would just be in over his head.
As to Calzaghe, well there are a lot of clueless people on the Current Scene forum now chanting for Calzaghe to be inducted into the Hall of Fame on his dominating win against a very one dimensional fighters and now some of these cats are calling Calzaghe the greatest British middleweight ever, but then again, those same people have probably never even heard of fighters like McAvoy, Len Harvey, Bert Gilroy, Jack Hyams, Jack Casey and many others; hell, they probably have heard Randy Turpin only in name. When comparing the records of McAvoy with the record of Calzaghe it is not even close. It seems as though McAvoy had career defining fights all throughout his career whereas fighters of today, in every country, have one career fight and people are ready to build a museum in honor of the fighter. In my opinion Calzaghe could possibly make things interesting for a while, but in the end I think McAvoy just overpowers Calzaghe and unlike Lacy, McAvoy was not one dimensional.
I think that he would knock Benn out pretty early because of Benn’s style. Benn was one of the hardest hitting middleweights ever, but I think McAvoy could weather anything Benn threw at him, but I don’t think Benn could withstand what McAvoy would put on him. I believe it would be a quick and very exciting fight with McAvoy winning by clean knockout.
I think Eubank would give McAvoy the most trouble, but I don’t think Chris would be doing any posing with McAvoy. I believe it would be a very hard fought decision win for McAvoy. Eubank was probably more skilled and as far as courage and heart, they both were pretty even, but I think McAvoy is ahead in other departments…especially in strength and power, which I think would be the telling factor of the bout.
I don’t know as much about Watson as I do the others and pretty much the only fights of his that I have seen are the bouts with Benn and Eubank. Even though he beat Benn I feel that he is third between them and I feel that had Benn and he fought a rematch a couple of years later that Benn would have won because at the time of their first fight Benn had won all 22 of his bouts by knockout and I believe that in a rematch he would have been more apt to really box, but then again Watson may have just had his number and would have won regardless of what Benn tried, but concerning McAvoy I think Watson would just be in over his head.
As to Calzaghe, well there are a lot of clueless people on the Current Scene forum now chanting for Calzaghe to be inducted into the Hall of Fame on his dominating win against a very one dimensional fighters and now some of these cats are calling Calzaghe the greatest British middleweight ever, but then again, those same people have probably never even heard of fighters like McAvoy, Len Harvey, Bert Gilroy, Jack Hyams, Jack Casey and many others; hell, they probably have heard Randy Turpin only in name. When comparing the records of McAvoy with the record of Calzaghe it is not even close. It seems as though McAvoy had career defining fights all throughout his career whereas fighters of today, in every country, have one career fight and people are ready to build a museum in honor of the fighter. In my opinion Calzaghe could possibly make things interesting for a while, but in the end I think McAvoy just overpowers Calzaghe and unlike Lacy, McAvoy was not one dimensional.