Ropes too loose!

[APerno]

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Only three ropes, and way too loose. What venue was responsible for this little slice of incompetence?

Why did the 'great men' (the announcers) all say he had twenty seconds to get back in the ring; when everyone talks of Dempsey (Dempsey-Firpo) they talk about how he may not have beaten the 'ten count'? - Did the rule change or is it just another example of how prize fighting rules seem to be a living thing, amoeba like in structure? We never seem to know actually what they are until after they're enforced.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W66gtpZPT7U

[gilgamesh]

20 seconds to get back into the ring and ready to continue has been the rule in Boxing for a long time if a fighter is knocked out of the ring. I don't know if it was the case with Dempsey vs Firpo, but it's not a new rule it's been around for a while now.

I forget which fight, but I've seen a KO before where the fighter got knocked out of the ring, and just didn't quite beat the count. He rolled back into the ring, but didn't get to his feet before the referee reached 20 so it was a KO loss.

My problem is why it was ruled a TKO win for Smith instead of a KO win. The referee reached the 20 count. That's a KO. Not a TKO. Unless they decided it became a TKO whenever other people tried to help Hopkins to his feet.

Also there are 4 ropes on that ring. I can see that just by looking at the freeze frame of the video you have posted.

[Kalan]

"I forget which fight, but I've seen a KO before where the fighter got knocked out of the ring"

Hasim Rahman was knocked out of the ring in his first Oleg Maskaev KO loss... He fell out exactly like Hopkins did and landed on his head... They ought to put padding down in any area by ringside where somebody isn't sitting so you don't land on your head and injure yourself... Dempsey was knocked out of the ring by Firpo. He fell on a reporter's typewriter, which he destroyed.. The guy couldn't get his story off.. But Dempsey beat the 20-count and won in the same round, the 2nd.

[APerno]

20 seconds to get back into the ring and ready to continue has been the rule in Boxing for a long time if a fighter is knocked out of the ring. I don't know if it was the case with Dempsey vs Firpo, but it's not a new rule it's been around for a while now.

I forget which fight, but I've seen a KO before where the fighter got knocked out of the ring, and just didn't quite beat the count. He rolled back into the ring, but didn't get to his feet before the referee reached 20 so it was a KO loss.

My problem is why it was ruled a TKO win for Smith instead of a KO win. The referee reached the 20 count. That's a KO. Not a TKO. Unless they decided it became a TKO whenever other people tried to help Hopkins to his feet.

Also there are 4 ropes on that ring. I can see that just by looking at the freeze frame of the video you have posted.

Yes - thank you - I guess the bottom blue rope blended in to the blue canvas in my old eyes.

[gilgamesh]

"I forget which fight, but I've seen a KO before where the fighter got knocked out of the ring"

Hasim Rahman was knocked out of the ring in his first Oleg Maskaev KO loss... He fell out exactly like Hopkins did and landed on his head... They ought to put padding down in any area by ringside where somebody isn't sitting so you don't land on your head and injure yourself... Dempsey was knocked out of the ring by Firpo. He fell on a reporter's typewriter, which he destroyed.. The guy couldn't get his story off.. But Dempsey beat the 20-count and won in the same round, the 2nd.

Yeah pads around the ring wouldn't be a bad idea, in fairness to 'em though a guy getting knocked out of the ring is a pretty rare occurrence.

[APerno]

"I forget which fight, but I've seen a KO before where the fighter got knocked out of the ring"

Hasim Rahman was knocked out of the ring in his first Oleg Maskaev KO loss... He fell out exactly like Hopkins did and landed on his head... They ought to put padding down in any area by ringside where somebody isn't sitting so you don't land on your head and injure yourself... Dempsey was knocked out of the ring by Firpo. He fell on a reporter's typewriter, which he destroyed.. The guy couldn't get his story off.. But Dempsey beat the 20-count and won in the same round, the 2nd.

That is what I was referring to: ' Dempsey beat the 20-count' - at the time there seemed to be a dispute, with one school of thought arguing that Firpo should have been champion because Dempsey failed to beat the 'ten-count' (and was assisted) - you run into these stories if you read the old timers who write about the fight - which left me to believe there was no 20-count rule then - but I am not sure.

I know in professional wrestling you have ten seconds to get back into the ring; of course it is longer if there is a chair involved.

[Tony1244]

"I forget which fight, but I've seen a KO before where the fighter got knocked out of the ring"

Hasim Rahman was knocked out of the ring in his first Oleg Maskaev KO loss... He fell out exactly like Hopkins did and landed on his head... They ought to put padding down in any area by ringside where somebody isn't sitting so you don't land on your head and injure yourself... Dempsey was knocked out of the ring by Firpo. He fell on a reporter's typewriter, which he destroyed.. The guy couldn't get his story off.. But Dempsey beat the 20-count and won in the same round, the 2nd.

That is what I was referring to: ' Dempsey beat the 20-count' - at the time there seemed to be a dispute, with one school of thought arguing that Firpo should have been champion because Dempsey failed to beat the 'ten-count' (and was assisted) - you run into these stories if you read the old timers who write about the fight - which left me to believe there was no 20-count rule then - but I am not sure.

I know in professional wrestling you have ten seconds to get back into the ring; of course it is longer if there is a chair involved.

I remember in the old WWWF when it was WWWF, I thought it was 20 seconds to get back in the ring.

[DannyMCR]

Hopkins got sparked

[DannyMCR]

Racism doesn't bother me at all, but if you say you're never gonna lose to a white boy, please back it up.

Shit house Hopkins.

[DannyMCR]

Horrible racist fornicate

How does it feel losing to a third white boy

[Kalan]

"I forget which fight, but I've seen a KO before where the fighter got knocked out of the ring"

Hasim Rahman was knocked out of the ring in his first Oleg Maskaev KO loss... He fell out exactly like Hopkins did and landed on his head... They ought to put padding down in any area by ringside where somebody isn't sitting so you don't land on your head and injure yourself... Dempsey was knocked out of the ring by Firpo. He fell on a reporter's typewriter, which he destroyed.. The guy couldn't get his story off.. But Dempsey beat the 20-count and won in the same round, the 2nd.

That is what I was referring to: ' Dempsey beat the 20-count' - at the time there seemed to be a dispute, with one school of thought arguing that Firpo should have been champion because Dempsey failed to beat the 'ten-count' (and was assisted) - you run into these stories if you read the old timers who write about the fight - which left me to believe there was no 20-count rule then - but I am not sure.

I know in professional wrestling you have ten seconds to get back into the ring; of course it is longer if there is a chair involved.

I remember in the old WWWF when it was WWWF, I thought it was 20 seconds to get back in the ring.

There's 2 things I don't watch on TV.. Bowling and Wrestling.. It's a little like watching James Bond, Jason Bourne, or Superman fight the bad guys.. You don't need to watch 45 minutes of fake combat during a movie, waiting for the good guy to win in brilliant fashion again -- get on with the story.
My dad took us kids to a wrestling match when I was 6 or 7. The Crusher and Bruiser beat the Russians. I remember asking my dad if the Crusher could beat the Bruiser.. He said, "If they wanted him to.. It's all fake.. The whole thing is rehearsed and both guys always know who’s going to win.” Then I asked if Boxing was fake. He said, “No, they fight each other for real. Boxing isn’t fake.” I never watched Rasslin’ after that. But I like MMA. It’s all fighting styles and nobody falls out of the ring.

[Tony1244]

That is what I was referring to: ' Dempsey beat the 20-count' - at the time there seemed to be a dispute, with one school of thought arguing that Firpo should have been champion because Dempsey failed to beat the 'ten-count' (and was assisted) - you run into these stories if you read the old timers who write about the fight - which left me to believe there was no 20-count rule then - but I am not sure.

I know in professional wrestling you have ten seconds to get back into the ring; of course it is longer if there is a chair involved.

I remember in the old WWWF when it was WWWF, I thought it was 20 seconds to get back in the ring.

There's 2 things I don't watch on TV.. Bowling and Wrestling.. It's a little like watching James Bond, Jason Bourne, or Superman fight the bad guys.. You don't need to watch 45 minutes of fake combat during a movie, waiting for the good guy to win in brilliant fashion again -- get on with the story.
My dad took us kids to a wrestling match when I was 6 or 7. The Crusher and Bruiser beat the Russians. I remember asking my dad if the Crusher could beat the Bruiser.. He said, "If they wanted him to.. It's all fake.. The whole thing is rehearsed and both guys always know who’s going to win.” Then I asked if Boxing was fake. He said, “No, they fight each other for real. Boxing isn’t fake.” I never watched Rasslin’ after that. But I like MMA. It’s all fighting styles and nobody falls out of the ring.

I've never watched bowling or golf, but I used to enjoy wrestling. I don't anymore, it's changed, I guess it doesn't speak to my baby boomer generation. Of course, the outcome is almost always planned. I say "almost," because they sometimes go off script. The injuries are real. The risk is real. The theater is theater. When I was a wrestling fan, people would ask me, "Don't you know it's fake?" I'd answer them with a question: "But the movie or soap opera (if it was a girl) you just watched isn't fake?"

[punchoutsb]

I remember in the old WWWF when it was WWWF, I thought it was 20 seconds to get back in the ring.

There's 2 things I don't watch on TV.. Bowling and Wrestling.. It's a little like watching James Bond, Jason Bourne, or Superman fight the bad guys.. You don't need to watch 45 minutes of fake combat during a movie, waiting for the good guy to win in brilliant fashion again -- get on with the story.
My dad took us kids to a wrestling match when I was 6 or 7. The Crusher and Bruiser beat the Russians. I remember asking my dad if the Crusher could beat the Bruiser.. He said, "If they wanted him to.. It's all fake.. The whole thing is rehearsed and both guys always know who’s going to win.” Then I asked if Boxing was fake. He said, “No, they fight each other for real. Boxing isn’t fake.” I never watched Rasslin’ after that. But I like MMA. It’s all fighting styles and nobody falls out of the ring.

I've never watched bowling or golf, but I used to enjoy wrestling. I don't anymore, it's changed, I guess it doesn't speak to my baby boomer generation. Of course, the outcome is almost always planned. I say "almost," because they sometimes go off script. The injuries are real. The risk is real. The theater is theater. When I as a wrestling fan, people would as me, "Don't you know it's fake?" I'd answer them with a question: "But the movie or soap opera (if it was a girl) you just watched isn't?"

Pro wrestling is testosterone theater. I don't watch anymore but the concept is fantastic. It's a theatrical performance which a lot of people don't get. I wonder if they also complain when they go to shows: "I thought we were REALLY going to Neverland with Peter Pan but this was just a bunch of people pretending on a stage!"

I've got a good buddy who has been wrestling for over 30 years. He just opened up a school. I'm actually considering hitting it on a part time basis. It works with all my backgrounds!

[APerno]

I havn't watch wrestling since Bruno Samartino was champion - My favorite was the Jamaican Kids but I guess midget wrestling isn't PC anymore - in fact I probably shiuldn't say 'midget'

[Woller]

For gods sake, Firpo nearly kayoed Dempsey about 100 years ago!!!!

The 20 second count to get back in the ring has not been in effect for more than maybe 25 years.

[Tony1244]

I havn't watch wrestling since Bruno Samartino was champion - My favorite was the Jamaican Kids but I guess midget wrestling isn't PC anymore - in fact I probably shiuldn't say 'midget'

I was never a fan of midget wrestling, or should I say "height-challenged" wrestling, but in a way it's a shame it doesn't exist anymore because it's taking away their livelihood.

Guys like Bruno, Buddy Rogers and even Koloff, Ladd, and Putski were somewhat believable characters.

[Kalan]

I remember in the old WWWF when it was WWWF, I thought it was 20 seconds to get back in the ring.

There's 2 things I don't watch on TV.. Bowling and Wrestling.. It's a little like watching James Bond, Jason Bourne, or Superman fight the bad guys.. You don't need to watch 45 minutes of fake combat during a movie, waiting for the good guy to win in brilliant fashion again -- get on with the story.
My dad took us kids to a wrestling match when I was 6 or 7. The Crusher and Bruiser beat the Russians. I remember asking my dad if the Crusher could beat the Bruiser.. He said, "If they wanted him to.. It's all fake.. The whole thing is rehearsed and both guys always know who’s going to win.” Then I asked if Boxing was fake. He said, “No, they fight each other for real. Boxing isn’t fake.” I never watched Rasslin’ after that. But I like MMA. It’s all fighting styles and nobody falls out of the ring.

I've never watched bowling or golf, but I used to enjoy wrestling. I don't anymore, it's changed, I guess it doesn't speak to my baby boomer generation. Of course, the outcome is almost always planned. I say "almost," because they sometimes go off script. The injuries are real. The risk is real. The theater is theater. When I was a wrestling fan, people would ask me, "Don't you know it's fake?" I'd answer them with a question: "But the movie or soap opera (if it was a girl) you just watched isn't fake?"

Movies are great. People love stories, and if they're well done they're worth watching... The acting in rasslin, is trash, and they tell the same story over and over again ad nauseam. I found it tiresome. I remember when I was 8 or 9 and my brothers would be watching wrestling. Some idiot using a fake gruff voice would be telling the interviewer how he was going to murder his opponent. I'd suggest, "Can we watch something else please?" They'd usually say, "Yeah, this is crap" and turn on Popeye cartoons or Superman. Not much better. I loved the movies, but most of the fare on TV was junk.

[Bricks]

When Barkley knocked him out of the ring and out of any semblance of boxing peak....Tommy Hearns was held up by Reg Gutteridge and Jim Watts hands. If Tommy had been allowed to fall back more he would have greatly benefited from 20 seconds rather than 10. Tommy could really survive

[Tony1244]

There's 2 things I don't watch on TV.. Bowling and Wrestling.. It's a little like watching James Bond, Jason Bourne, or Superman fight the bad guys.. You don't need to watch 45 minutes of fake combat during a movie, waiting for the good guy to win in brilliant fashion again -- get on with the story.
My dad took us kids to a wrestling match when I was 6 or 7. The Crusher and Bruiser beat the Russians. I remember asking my dad if the Crusher could beat the Bruiser.. He said, "If they wanted him to.. It's all fake.. The whole thing is rehearsed and both guys always know who’s going to win.” Then I asked if Boxing was fake. He said, “No, they fight each other for real. Boxing isn’t fake.” I never watched Rasslin’ after that. But I like MMA. It’s all fighting styles and nobody falls out of the ring.

I've never watched bowling or golf, but I used to enjoy wrestling. I don't anymore, it's changed, I guess it doesn't speak to my baby boomer generation. Of course, the outcome is almost always planned. I say "almost," because they sometimes go off script. The injuries are real. The risk is real. The theater is theater. When I was a wrestling fan, people would ask me, "Don't you know it's fake?" I'd answer them with a question: "But the movie or soap opera (if it was a girl) you just watched isn't fake?"

Movies are great. People love stories, and if they're well done they're worth watching... The acting in rasslin, is trash, and they tell the same story over and over again ad nauseam. I found it tiresome. I remember when I was 8 or 9 and my brothers would be watching wrestling. Some idiot using a fake gruff voice would be telling the interviewer how he was going to murder his opponent. I'd suggest, "Can we watch something else please?" They'd usually say, "Yeah, this is crap" and turn on Popeye cartoons or Superman. Not much better. I loved the movies, but most of the fare on TV was junk.

You've never watched Bugsy McGraw, Dusty Rhodes, or Terry Funk doing a promo in their prime then.