Povetkin is the real heavyweight champ now

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willferral wrote:
lefty wrote:Ostarine seems like a great drug to use

Ostarine
MK 2866
Enobosarm, better known as as Ostarine or MK 2866, is a Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator (SARM) developed by GTx (GTx-024) to combat muscle wasting and osteoporosis. Many speculate Ostarine may find uses in hormone replacement treatment plans, as well as in the treatment of sarcopenia, cachexia and muscle atrophy. This is a highly valuable benefit to those suffering from muscle wasting diseases, more so because SARM’s have been shown to not have an impact on non-skeletal muscle.

Ostarine Traits

As a SARM, Ostarine binds directly to the androgen receptors. While anabolic steroids also bind to androgen receptors, SARM’s cannot convert to DHT or estrogen. Officially belonging to a group of drugs, Ligand, MK 2866’s only purpose is direct anabolic activity. This SARM can be used for muscle growth or muscle preservation (diet dependent).

Test 600x Ostarine, like anabolic steroids, will increase protein synthesis as well as nitrogen retention. However, unlike anabolic steroids, it will do so without any DHT (dihydrotestosterone) or estrogen conversion. While no direct estrogen conversion is present in terms of aromatase activity, mild increases in estrogen levels have been shown. This is perhaps why Ostarine has been shown to be good for joint health and healing. Estrogen often gets a bad wrap, but some is needed for good health and physical performance. It is, however, the direct binding to the receptor that is most important as it not only promotes anabolism, it alters the gene sequence directly at the receptor site; in fact, it is highly tissue specific, muscle and bone.

MK 2866 carries a half-life of approximately 24 hours.

Effects of Ostarine

Ostarine can be used for gaining as well as preserving muscle mass. For the athlete, this means it can be used in both cutting and bulking phases. The user can expect significant gains in lean body mass without unwanted water retention or fear of gynecomastia often associated with anabolic steroids. The individual will unlikely gain as much weight as he would from a cycle of Dianabol or Anadrol; however, the gains will be cleaner and easier to maintain post use. It is very common for the individual to associate all weight gain with positive gains when using certain steroids, but lean muscle gains are the only ones that count.

Ostarine can also be very useful during the cutting or dieting phase. This may be the best time to use the SARM for its muscle protecting qualities. In order to lose body fat, you must burn more calories than you consume. Being in a calorie deficit puts lean muscle mass at risk, some loss will occur. If we can protect our muscle mass during a diet, we not only look better we actually continue to burn fat. A loss of muscle mass will hinder the metabolism making fat loss difficult. Protect the muscle mass and you protect the metabolism. Ostarine will also offer up significant joint healing and repair, which is invaluable when dieting. Harsh or hard dieting can often lead to joint discomfort. If we can protect our joints, as well as increase tendon and ligament strength, collagen synthesis and enhance bone mineral content, we can continue to train and train harder. The effects of MK 2866 in this manner are truly beneficial in a bulking or cutting phase, but they will typically stand out more during the cutting phase. The effects of Ostarine in this regard are so strong data has shown it may directly treat injuries, and not a masking scenario as with pain meds but actual healing of joints, ligaments, tendons and bone.

Side Effects of Ostarine

The side effects of Ostarine are limited as it appears to be a relatively side effect friendly drug. Many of the adverse effects associated with anabolic steroids will not exist with this SARM; however, some will, although mildly.

Estrogenic: The side effects of Ostarine should not include those of an estrogenic nature as the SARM does not aromatize. There is no conversion of testosterone to estrogen associated with this drug. Water retention, bloating, gynecomastia or high blood pressure due to water retention cannot occur. However, data shows that some increases in existing estrogen may occur, but should be very mild and not enough to warrant the use of an anti-estrogen. If this very slight increase is concerning, if an anti-estrogen is used, you may easily bottom out your estrogen levels, which can lead to numerous hormone imbalances and related effects.

Androgenic: Androgenic side effects of Ostarine, despite directly affecting the androgen receptor should not exist. This compound does not convert to DHT; acne and hair loss cannot occur. Androgenic side effects associated with virilization in women are also impossible. As there is no direct androgenic activity related to DHT, prostate issues should also be non-existent.

Cardiovascular: The side effects of Ostarine should present minimal cardiovascular risk. Both HDL and LDL levels may be reduced, but all data shows minimal to insignificant reductions.

Testosterone Suppression: It’s often said SARM’s will not suppress natural testosterone production, and it’s true they will not compared to anabolic steroids. However, some suppression is possible, but complete suppression is not. A testosterone-boosting supplement may be warranted while using MK 2866. Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) data is somewhat inconclusive as to if this is needed. Some men seem to experience greater levels of testosterone suppression than others.

Hepatotoxicity: Although orally administered, the side effects of Ostarine do not include liver toxicity. MK 2866 does not belong to the C17-alpha alkylated (C17-aa) class of drugs like many oral anabolic steroids. It does not mirror the MI metabolite associated with the SARM S4 that gives that particular SARM some hepatic activity.

Ostarine Administration

MK 2866 is an orally administered SARM. For the purposes of muscle preservation when dieting, a minimum of 15mg per day is normally taking. For growth to be spurred, most users will find 20-25mg per day to be a good place to start. Some heavier individuals may find 30mg per day to be needed, but most data shows such doses often make little difference compared to the 20-25mg ranges in most men. Total use will normally last 6-8 weeks with 4 weeks of no SARM use once a cycle of Ostarine is complete. Although testosterone suppression may not be heavy, PCT may or may not be needed. However, some suppression will exist and it’s best to give the body a chance to normalize. MK 2866 carries a half-life of approximately 24 hours; once daily dosing is sufficient. There is no advantage to multiple doses per day.

Availability of MK Ostarine

Ostarine is widely available and can be found through most online research chemical companies that offer ancillaries, peptides and other non-steroidal and non-controlled substance labeled medications. Pricing will vary depending on numerous factors, which include manufacturer, dosing strength, liquid or capsule. True SARM’s like MK 2866 will normally be found through research chemical companies.

SARMS and Ostarine are generally considered to be garbage, and they are made in unreputable labs, not something recommended to take. The write ups on SARMS/ Ostarine like you posted are likely from a site that promotes SARMS either being owned or sponsored by a Lab. A lot of the steroid sites are sponsored by SARM labs. Find an independent opinion/ analyses on them and you will find they are garbage or at least the ones available online are to the best of my knowledge, although I have never personally tried them. It's very obvious if you do a bit of research, though, that the promotion of this product is anything but honest.
Yeah I wouldn't claim to be an expert on the subject to be fair! It sounds like an interesting drug going purely off what's advertised but how safe it is and how effective it is, is another matter! What's your knowledge on this subject if you don't mind me asking? That's a genuine question by the way; not a sarcastic one incase it comes across that way! :TU:
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man wrote:
x2x wrote:Povetkin is the real heavyweight champ now. Compare what Duhaupas did against Wilder with this. Russia needs to pull out of the corrupt western alphabet things with their Las Vegas Nevada mafia drug testing racket and form a separate sports organization with eastern Europe and China.
you are being super-sarcastic, right?

You are being super sarcastic asking me if I'm being super sarcastic, right?

Of course I'm not being sarcastic. Anyone with half a brain and an ounce of objectivity should be able to see that this drug testing thing is being selectively used to shove aside those who don't have the important US-Las Vegas-tv-boxing mob-alphabet connections.
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x2x wrote:
man wrote:
x2x wrote:Povetkin is the real heavyweight champ now. Compare what Duhaupas did against Wilder with this. Russia needs to pull out of the corrupt western alphabet things with their Las Vegas Nevada mafia drug testing racket and form a separate sports organization with eastern Europe and China.
you are being super-sarcastic, right?

You are being super sarcastic asking me if I'm being super sarcastic, right?

Of course I'm not being sarcastic. Anyone with half a brain and an ounce of objectivity should be able to see that this drug testing thing is being selectively used to shove aside those who don't have the important US-Las Vegas-tv-alphabet boxing mob connections.
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x2x wrote:
x2x wrote:
man wrote: you are being super-sarcastic, right?

You are being super sarcastic asking me if I'm being super sarcastic, right?

Of course I'm not being sarcastic. Anyone with half a brain and an ounce of objectivity should be able to see that this drug testing thing is being selectively used to shove aside those who don't have the important US-Las Vegas-tv-alphabet boxing mob connections.
Translation; if Russians are caught cheating, it was obviously a conspiracy of epic proportions set in motion to discredit PutinHeadism :geek:
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Tanzio wrote:
x2x wrote:
x2x wrote:

You are being super sarcastic asking me if I'm being super sarcastic, right?

Of course I'm not being sarcastic. Anyone with half a brain and an ounce of objectivity should be able to see that this drug testing thing is being selectively used to shove aside those who don't have the important US-Las Vegas-tv-alphabet boxing mob connections.
Translation; if Russians are caught cheating, it was obviously a conspiracy of epic proportions set in motion to discredit PutinHeadism :geek:
How "epic" would it have to be to find corruption in the most corrupt sport to exist? I don't doubt for a second Povetkin is on PED's. Of course I don't doubt for a second that virtually every pro athlete is. I also don't doubt for a second that there are some less than reputable characters involved in this sport. Don't you?
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punchoutsb wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
x2x wrote:
Translation; if Russians are caught cheating, it was obviously a conspiracy of epic proportions set in motion to discredit PutinHeadism :geek:
How "epic" would it have to be to find corruption in the most corrupt sport to exist? I don't doubt for a second Povetkin is on PED's. Of course I don't doubt for a second that virtually every pro athlete is. I also don't doubt for a second that there are some less than reputable characters involved in this sport. Don't you?
I subscribe to this belief to an extent. I feel there are some top level athletes who are clean. But, the majority, I don't doubt, are on something. The ones that don't get caught most likely cycle properly.

BTW, do WADA and VADA have a certain limit when it comes to testosterone levels? As in, if there are no traces of any banned substances found in their system, but their testosterone levels are off the charts, are there consequences?
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punchoutsb wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
x2x wrote:
Translation; if Russians are caught cheating, it was obviously a conspiracy of epic proportions set in motion to discredit PutinHeadism :geek:
How "epic" would it have to be to find corruption in the most corrupt sport to exist? I don't doubt for a second Povetkin is on PED's. Of course I don't doubt for a second that virtually every pro athlete is. I also don't doubt for a second that there are some less than reputable characters involved in this sport. Don't you?
Don't blame the interpreter :maybe:
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Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
Tanzio wrote: Translation; if Russians are caught cheating, it was obviously a conspiracy of epic proportions set in motion to discredit PutinHeadism :geek:
How "epic" would it have to be to find corruption in the most corrupt sport to exist? I don't doubt for a second Povetkin is on PED's. Of course I don't doubt for a second that virtually every pro athlete is. I also don't doubt for a second that there are some less than reputable characters involved in this sport. Don't you?
I subscribe to this belief to an extent. I feel there are some top level athletes who are clean. But, the majority, I don't doubt, are on something. The ones that don't get caught most likely cycle properly.

BTW, do WADA and VADA have a certain limit when it comes to testosterone levels? As in, if there are no traces of any banned substances found in their system, but their testosterone levels are off the charts, are there consequences?
I'm not familiar with their latest rule, but in the past its been a T/E ratio of 4:1. Anything over that and you get flagged.
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punchoutsb wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
How "epic" would it have to be to find corruption in the most corrupt sport to exist? I don't doubt for a second Povetkin is on PED's. Of course I don't doubt for a second that virtually every pro athlete is. I also don't doubt for a second that there are some less than reputable characters involved in this sport. Don't you?
I subscribe to this belief to an extent. I feel there are some top level athletes who are clean. But, the majority, I don't doubt, are on something. The ones that don't get caught most likely cycle properly.

BTW, do WADA and VADA have a certain limit when it comes to testosterone levels? As in, if there are no traces of any banned substances found in their system, but their testosterone levels are off the charts, are there consequences?
I'm not familiar with their latest rule, but in the past its been a T/E ratio of 4:1. Anything over that and you get flagged.
What does that mean though? I remember several guys in the UFC having high levels in their system, but I can't recall hearing about it in boxing. Only if they had PEDs in their system. Not sure what it is now, but in the UFC it was 6:1. Which, from my understanding allows for quite a large amount.
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If you ain't cheating you ain't trying hard enough :bag:
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Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote: I subscribe to this belief to an extent. I feel there are some top level athletes who are clean. But, the majority, I don't doubt, are on something. The ones that don't get caught most likely cycle properly.

BTW, do WADA and VADA have a certain limit when it comes to testosterone levels? As in, if there are no traces of any banned substances found in their system, but their testosterone levels are off the charts, are there consequences?
I'm not familiar with their latest rule, but in the past its been a T/E ratio of 4:1. Anything over that and you get flagged.
What does that mean though? I remember several guys in the UFC having high levels in their system, but I can't recall hearing about it in boxing. Only if they had PEDs in their system. Not sure what it is now, but in the UFC it was 6:1. Which, from my understanding allows for quite a large amount.
So basically T/E is testosterone (active) to epitestosterone (inactive) levels. They test this because taking an exogenous source of testosterone will affect T but not E...basically 4:1 encompasses like 90+% of the world so thats where WADA set their limit. So if you show up with a 10:1 ratio or something like that they KNOW something is up. I had a buddy once test in a 20:1, which is obviously pretty substantial. Athletes time their injections to a point where there levels fall within reasonable ranges for a pre or post fight test.
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lefty wrote:
willferral wrote:

SARMS and Ostarine are generally considered to be garbage, and they are made in unreputable labs, not something recommended to take. The write ups on SARMS/ Ostarine like you posted are likely from a site that promotes SARMS either being owned or sponsored by a Lab. A lot of the steroid sites are sponsored by SARM labs. Find an independent opinion/ analyses on them and you will find they are garbage or at least the ones available online are to the best of my knowledge, although I have never personally tried them. It's very obvious if you do a bit of research, though, that the promotion of this product is anything but honest.
Yeah I wouldn't claim to be an expert on the subject to be fair! It sounds like an interesting drug going purely off what's advertised but how safe it is and how effective it is, is another matter! What's your knowledge on this subject if you don't mind me asking? That's a genuine question by the way; not a sarcastic one incase it comes across that way! :TU:
I haven't taken them, but if I was to order them I still couldn't be certain I have taken them. The whole marketing around SARMS is a bunch of paid websites who pay people to promote the drug and remove any negative posts about the drug. The people talking up the drug will give you their discount code which will make them 15% of the sale if you use it. One of the problems is these drugs are not being made by reputable manufacturers. As well the indication is from sources that are not connected to the sale of charms that they don't work all that well, but still have negative side effects. Steroids, on the other hand, I have experience with and they work great! It seems odd that someone would use SARMS, but they are legal and can be ordered of off amazon.com


As for the ratio test here is a pretty good article on it.

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/gree ... one-ratio/
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punchoutsb wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
I'm not familiar with their latest rule, but in the past its been a T/E ratio of 4:1. Anything over that and you get flagged.
What does that mean though? I remember several guys in the UFC having high levels in their system, but I can't recall hearing about it in boxing. Only if they had PEDs in their system. Not sure what it is now, but in the UFC it was 6:1. Which, from my understanding allows for quite a large amount.
So basically T/E is testosterone (active) to epitestosterone (inactive) levels. They test this because taking an exogenous source of testosterone will affect T but not E...basically 4:1 encompasses like 90+% of the world so thats where WADA set their limit. So if you show up with a 10:1 ratio or something like that they KNOW something is up. I had a buddy once test in a 20:1, which is obviously pretty substantial. Athletes time their injections to a point where there levels fall within reasonable ranges for a pre or post fight test.
They can test for exogenous testosterone aswell now though- aswell as testing just for the ratio's themselves.
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punchoutsb wrote:
So basically T/E is testosterone (active) to epitestosterone (inactive) levels. They test this because taking an exogenous source of testosterone will affect T but not E...basically 4:1 encompasses like 90+% of the world so thats where WADA set their limit. So if you show up with a 10:1 ratio or something like that they KNOW something is up. I had a buddy once test in a 20:1, which is obviously pretty substantial. Athletes time their injections to a point where there levels fall within reasonable ranges for a pre or post fight test.
Thanks man!

Sorry for all the questions, but have another if you can answer... Let's say Povetkin was to have a T/E level of 10:1, but they could not find any PEDs in his system. Other than being flagged, what consequences would he suffer? (I am assuming being flagged alone doesn't mean any initial consequences, just that more precautions need to be taken for that individual?) With levels that high, it seems pretty obvious it did not come naturally. However, don't they need to find the source to convict?
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lefty wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote: What does that mean though? I remember several guys in the UFC having high levels in their system, but I can't recall hearing about it in boxing. Only if they had PEDs in their system. Not sure what it is now, but in the UFC it was 6:1. Which, from my understanding allows for quite a large amount.
So basically T/E is testosterone (active) to epitestosterone (inactive) levels. They test this because taking an exogenous source of testosterone will affect T but not E...basically 4:1 encompasses like 90+% of the world so thats where WADA set their limit. So if you show up with a 10:1 ratio or something like that they KNOW something is up. I had a buddy once test in a 20:1, which is obviously pretty substantial. Athletes time their injections to a point where there levels fall within reasonable ranges for a pre or post fight test.
They can test for exogenous testosterone aswell now though- aswell as testing just for the ratio's themselves.
They've been testing for exogenous test for forever. My response was just in regards to impractical posters question.
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Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
So basically T/E is testosterone (active) to epitestosterone (inactive) levels. They test this because taking an exogenous source of testosterone will affect T but not E...basically 4:1 encompasses like 90+% of the world so thats where WADA set their limit. So if you show up with a 10:1 ratio or something like that they KNOW something is up. I had a buddy once test in a 20:1, which is obviously pretty substantial. Athletes time their injections to a point where there levels fall within reasonable ranges for a pre or post fight test.
Thanks man!

Sorry for all the questions, but have another if you can answer... Let's say Povetkin was to have a T/E level of 10:1, but they could not find any PEDs in his system. Other than being flagged, what consequences would he suffer? (I am assuming being flagged alone doesn't mean any initial consequences, just that more precautions need to be taken for that individual?) With levels that high, it seems pretty obvious it did not come naturally. However, don't they need to find the source to convict?
I'm not 100% sure in terms of boxing. In powerlifting if you are over the T/E acceptable level of 6:1 you are banned regardless of what is found in your system. I imagine boxing takes the same stance but I do not know for certain.
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punchoutsb wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
So basically T/E is testosterone (active) to epitestosterone (inactive) levels. They test this because taking an exogenous source of testosterone will affect T but not E...basically 4:1 encompasses like 90+% of the world so thats where WADA set their limit. So if you show up with a 10:1 ratio or something like that they KNOW something is up. I had a buddy once test in a 20:1, which is obviously pretty substantial. Athletes time their injections to a point where there levels fall within reasonable ranges for a pre or post fight test.
Thanks man!

Sorry for all the questions, but have another if you can answer... Let's say Povetkin was to have a T/E level of 10:1, but they could not find any PEDs in his system. Other than being flagged, what consequences would he suffer? (I am assuming being flagged alone doesn't mean any initial consequences, just that more precautions need to be taken for that individual?) With levels that high, it seems pretty obvious it did not come naturally. However, don't they need to find the source to convict?
I'm not 100% sure in terms of boxing. In powerlifting if you are over the T/E acceptable level of 6:1 you are banned regardless of what is found in your system. I imagine boxing takes the same stance but I do not know for certain.
That's what I'm thinking as well. However, I can't recall anyone getting in trouble for elevated testosterone levels alone in boxing. Guess it's something to look into. Thanks for the info. :TU:
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Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote: Thanks man!

Sorry for all the questions, but have another if you can answer... Let's say Povetkin was to have a T/E level of 10:1, but they could not find any PEDs in his system. Other than being flagged, what consequences would he suffer? (I am assuming being flagged alone doesn't mean any initial consequences, just that more precautions need to be taken for that individual?) With levels that high, it seems pretty obvious it did not come naturally. However, don't they need to find the source to convict?
I'm not 100% sure in terms of boxing. In powerlifting if you are over the T/E acceptable level of 6:1 you are banned regardless of what is found in your system. I imagine boxing takes the same stance but I do not know for certain.
That's what I'm thinking as well. However, I can't recall anyone getting in trouble for elevated testosterone levels alone in boxing. Guess it's something to look into. Thanks for the info. :TU:
No problem :TU:
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I'm assuming they don't operate the biological passport in boxing? Then all they would have to look for is spikes in levels.

You can have insanely natural levels of testosterone in your system, as did Caster Semanya. That's why the passport is more reliable, at least then if they're cycling well, can still be caught out.

Than again, drugs are regularly taken in the training camps, to allow them to train harder for longer and speed up recovery, but then there should be more out of competition testing.
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Rob3_142 wrote:I'm assuming they don't operate the biological passport in boxing? Then all they would have to look for is spikes in levels.

You can have insanely natural levels of testosterone in your system, as did Caster Semanya. That's why the passport is more reliable, at least then if they're cycling well, can still be caught out.

Than again, drugs are regularly taken in the training camps, to allow them to train harder for longer and speed up recovery, but then there should be more out of competition testing.
That would be difficult in boxing, I'm assuming.

In the UFC, I can see how out of comp testing would work as the UFC would be paying and overseeing the testing, and if popped, they would not fight. Who would do that in boxing? For champions, testing could be governed by their respective governing body. But other than that, when a fighter is out of competition, who is to regulate it? If it's an athletic commission, which one?
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sort of like they are trying to de-ligitimize him by not even allowing him to do it the right way,which would be in the ring.
sort of re-minds me of those people trying to de-ligimize Donald Trump's victory
by saying Clinton really won because she got three million more votes
*(even tho at least 5 million of the votes cast for her were probably illegal ).
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Impractical Poster wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:I'm assuming they don't operate the biological passport in boxing? Then all they would have to look for is spikes in levels.

You can have insanely natural levels of testosterone in your system, as did Caster Semanya. That's why the passport is more reliable, at least then if they're cycling well, can still be caught out.

Than again, drugs are regularly taken in the training camps, to allow them to train harder for longer and speed up recovery, but then there should be more out of competition testing.
That would be difficult in boxing, I'm assuming.

In the UFC, I can see how out of comp testing would work as the UFC would be paying and overseeing the testing, and if popped, they would not fight. Who would do that in boxing? For champions, testing could be governed by their respective governing body. But other than that, when a fighter is out of competition, who is to regulate it? If it's an athletic commission, which one?
The way I see it, boxing is not that concerned about being a clean sport, cause then they'd look like they'd be trying to something about it otherwise. Perhaps each governing body could be responsible for testing their ranked fighters? Then again, it would cost them a lot of money, and they wouldn't necessarily be obliged to do so.

As far as I'm concerned it's impossible to fix.
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Wilder is "fighting" Wawrzyk who's ranked #29 next. Have no fear, Wawrzyk won't be failing Doc Goodman's Las Vegas drug test.
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Re: Povetkin is the real heavyweight champ now

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Povetkin's Drug Test From December 13 Comes Back Clean

http://www.BS.com/povetkin-dru ... an--112039
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