Marciano vs Wilt Chamberlain

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Chuck1052 wrote:Could Wilt Chamberlain fight or take a punch, let alone having the mental makeup or stamina needed to be successful in the boxing ring? We'll never know because he didn't have any previous boxing experience in the amateurs or the professional ranks. However, the odds are against Wilt having the many of the essential qualities to be successful in the ring. There have been plenty of athletes who excelled in other sports and didn't do well when taking up the sport of boxing. Moreover, I believe that Wilt knew very well that the odds were greatly against him if he fought Ali without any previous ring experience. Chuck Johnston
Bullcrap Chuck1052... Chamberlain had unreal stamina and played more minutes in than anyone else in the NBA in a season... He had to have massive stamina to dominate on both ends of the court and run up and down the court for 48 minutes while being the focal point of attention from the other team trying to block him off the boards and triple team him when he was shooting -- and all the while Wilt put up record breaking numbers.. He was a 2-time World Champion so his mental makeup was that of a winner.

Chamberlain didn't wake up one day and decide he wanted to fight Ali. People told him for years he’d make an unbeatable boxer. He consulted with Boxing people, especially Cus D'Amato, who was the architect of Mike Tyson’s and Floyd Patterson’s runs to the Heavyweight Championship at ages 20 and 21.

Balance, footwork, and hand speed, are so central to both Basketball and Boxing that D’Amato was at first amazed at Wilt’s ability to pick up basic footwork and punching skills. He told Wilt that with his height, balance, footspeed, reach, range, vision, and punching power, learning to jab well, and use his massive hands, arms, and shoulders for defense are things he was picking up way faster than any other boxer he ever saw. “Ali has never fought anyone close to your dimensions or athletic ability.. When your right hand thunders in it will be lights out. Ali will be knocked out cold and you’ll be Heavyweight Champion.”

“All you have to do is bide your time, keep Ali busy with your left jab and hook, which might knock Ali out. An opening for your right is certain to come. You rip the right in like lightning and he doesn’t have great head movement. Ali pulls straight back from punches because he’s so tall and has the reach on everyone he fights. But you’re height and reach advantages have never been seen in Boxing. Every 7-footer I’ve looked at can’t walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. You’re like an extremely athletic 6-footer. I can’t wait to get started.”
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Re: Marciano vs Wilt Chamberlain

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BoxBuzz wrote:Kalan your story seems to have a "goldilocks" quality
I don't see anyone with pretty golden locks.. At least neither Chamberlain or Ali had them.. Chamberlain was the world's most famous Basketball player and regarded by many as the world's most dominant athlete in any sport.. I don't think you could have taken any other athlete in the world outside of boxing, put him in that situation, and have him taken as seriously as Wilt Chamberlain was taken.. His physical dominance awed people. His 100 point game was never approached by anyone else.. His 55 rebound game crushed the other teams' numbers.. No other center ever led the NBA in assists.. He led the NBA in minutes played so he didn't wear down.. Bill Russell said in his book, "Basketball is the most demanding game ever invented" and I think it's true, having played Football, Baseball, Basketball, Volleyball, an boxed... In Boxing you're only worried about 1 opposing player.. In Basketball you jump high for a rebound, by the time you hit the floor 3 opposing players are on you like a flash. At the college level they're good players. At the NBA level they'll rip your hands off to get the ball. Your hand is part of the ball an they're not fouling you if they get your hand.

So we're well beyond Goldilocks, Cinderfella, The Fairy Godfather, and Lil' Red Riding the Hood... Wilt was a 2-sport HOFer and knew what he was doing.
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The rantings of a man who knows he's been found out. Give it up Kalan, your cards been marked.
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Re: Marciano vs Wilt Chamberlain

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FO creep... Your breath stinks
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Kalan wrote:Your breath stinks
How do you know?
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Kalan wrote:That is total BS... Chamberlain wanted to be Heavyweight Champion and Ali needed to retain the title v Frazier... That was written directly into the contract.
Still waiting for this proof Kalan. Where is the evidence Chamberlain would only fight Ali if he was a world champion? How come the press conference was after Ali lost? Why did they produce a poster advertising the fight after the Ali loss? Why didn't Chamberlain ever challenge anyone else, or have any fights, if he was so desperate to be HW champ?
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keithmoonhangover wrote:
Kalan wrote:Your breath stinks
How do you know?

His momma told him.
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Kalan wrote:And I don't miss events of the 60s and 70s... Wilt was more serious in the 60's.. but he learned his lesson.. He knew Ali wouldn't fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s
Kalan,

I've watched the video many times. Why won't you answer my questions?

Can the 'contract' be seen in this video?

YES or NO?
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Re: Marciano vs Wilt Chamberlain

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Tomasino wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:
Kalan wrote:Your breath stinks
How do you know?

His momma told him.
:lol: He's not going to be your friend after that comment! :lol:
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keithmoonhangover wrote:
Tomasino wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:
How do you know?

His momma told him.
:lol: He's not going to be your friend after that comment! :lol:

His first post to me was an expletive laden insult in response to a simple question. He hasn't been my friend in any of his guises :D
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Controversial wrote:
Kalan wrote:That is total BS... Chamberlain wanted to be Heavyweight Champion and Ali needed to retain the title v Frazier... That was written directly into the contract.
Still waiting for this proof Kalan. Where is the evidence Chamberlain would only fight Ali if he was a world champion? How come the press conference was after Ali lost? Why did they produce a poster advertising the fight after the Ali loss? Why didn't Chamberlain ever challenge anyone else, or have any fights, if he was so desperate to be HW champ?
Because he wanted to be Heavyweight Champion by beating Ali... It was written into the contract that Ali had to retain the title.. Ali didn't have a body attack and he pulled straight back from punches... Wilt was ambidextrous and Ali hadn't fought any southpaws.. It seemed to Wilt that a mixture of punches from a tall and brutally powerful southpaw would flummox Ali.. Ali was not a big hitter... Ali got hit a lot... Ali was the most famous boxer of of his day... The fight had a certain chemistry to it a fight with Frazier and the others lacked... Everybody in the world would want to watch Chamberlain-Ali.. Chamberlain-Frazier didn't have the same ring to it.
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That was a totally different contract than the 60's contract BTW... Ali never signed either.
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Kalan wrote:
Controversial wrote:
Kalan wrote:That is total BS... Chamberlain wanted to be Heavyweight Champion and Ali needed to retain the title v Frazier... That was written directly into the contract.
Still waiting for this proof Kalan. Where is the evidence Chamberlain would only fight Ali if he was a world champion? How come the press conference was after Ali lost? Why did they produce a poster advertising the fight after the Ali loss? Why didn't Chamberlain ever challenge anyone else, or have any fights, if he was so desperate to be HW champ?
It was written into the contract that Ali had to retain the title.
Proof?
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Kalan wrote:And I don't miss events of the 60s and 70s... Wilt was more serious in the 60's.. but he learned his lesson.. He knew Ali wouldn't fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s
Kalan,

I've watched the video many times. Why won't you answer my questions?

Can the 'contract' be seen in this video?

YES or NO?
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Kalan wrote:
Controversial wrote:
Kalan wrote:That is total BS... Chamberlain wanted to be Heavyweight Champion and Ali needed to retain the title v Frazier... That was written directly into the contract.
Still waiting for this proof Kalan. Where is the evidence Chamberlain would only fight Ali if he was a world champion? How come the press conference was after Ali lost? Why did they produce a poster advertising the fight after the Ali loss? Why didn't Chamberlain ever challenge anyone else, or have any fights, if he was so desperate to be HW champ?
Because he wanted to be Heavyweight Champion by beating Ali... It was written into the contract that Ali had to retain the title..
Says who, prove it. The press conference was after Ali lost, the day of signing Chamberlain pulled out so more made up nonsense from you.
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After all those pages and all those posts it turns out Kalan got the years mixed up and that no proof of any contract ever existed. Oh dear
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hhaehre wrote:After all those pages and all those posts it turns out Kalan got the years mixed up and that no proof of any contract ever existed. Oh dear
:lol: Schoolboy errors. :lol:
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hhaehre wrote:After all those pages and all those posts it turns out Kalan got the years mixed up and that no proof of any contract ever existed. Oh dear

Before this, I had taken the man to be a boxing genius. Now I'm not so sure.
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Tomasino wrote:
hhaehre wrote:After all those pages and all those posts it turns out Kalan got the years mixed up and that no proof of any contract ever existed. Oh dear

Before this, I had taken the man to be a boxing genius. Now I'm not so sure.
:lol:
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keithmoonhangover wrote:
Tomasino wrote:
hhaehre wrote:After all those pages and all those posts it turns out Kalan got the years mixed up and that no proof of any contract ever existed. Oh dear

Before this, I had taken the man to be a boxing genius. Now I'm not so sure.
:lol:

It's become rather tragic, sir :lol:
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Tomasino wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:
Tomasino wrote:

Before this, I had taken the man to be a boxing genius. Now I'm not so sure.
:lol:

It's become rather tragic, sir :lol:
Kalan = :oops:

Us = :lol:
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Kalan wrote:
Because he wanted to be Heavyweight Champion by beating Ali... It was written into the contract that Ali had to retain the title.. Ali was the most famous boxer of of his day... The fight had a certain chemistry to it a fight with Frazier and the others lacked... Everybody in the world would want to watch Chamberlain-Ali.. Chamberlain-Frazier didn't have the same ring to it.
Surely it would have made more sense to fight Frazier, an easy win for Chamberlain according to you, and he would've fulfilled his dream of being HW champ. Then Ali would have to fight him in a bout worth many more millions than originally planned. Why did that not happened?

(sits back awaiting another load of made up nonsense)
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Controversial wrote:
Kalan wrote:
Because he wanted to be Heavyweight Champion by beating Ali... It was written into the contract that Ali had to retain the title.. Ali was the most famous boxer of of his day... The fight had a certain chemistry to it a fight with Frazier and the others lacked... Everybody in the world would want to watch Chamberlain-Ali.. Chamberlain-Frazier didn't have the same ring to it.
Surely it would have made more sense to fight Frazier, an easy win for Chamberlain according to you, and he would've fulfilled his dream of being HW champ. Then Ali would have to fight him in a bout worth many more millions than originally planned. Why did that not happened?

(sits back awaiting another load of made up nonsense)
I would hazard a guess that the reason he didn't fight Frazier is because Wilt didn't have a boxing licence.
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Tomasino wrote:
hhaehre wrote:After all those pages and all those posts it turns out Kalan got the years mixed up and that no proof of any contract ever existed. Oh dear

Before this, I had taken the man to be a boxing genius. Now I'm not so sure.
I know it sounds crazy, but could he also be wrong about "Too Tall"?
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hhaehre wrote:
Tomasino wrote:
hhaehre wrote:After all those pages and all those posts it turns out Kalan got the years mixed up and that no proof of any contract ever existed. Oh dear

Before this, I had taken the man to be a boxing genius. Now I'm not so sure.
I know it sounds crazy, but could he also be wrong about "Too Tall"?
Wash your mouth out with soap. Too Tall couldn't get opponents, did you not know? He was so amazing that literally no one would fight him, despite fearsome boxers like Mike Tyson, Sonny Liston and George Foreman all managing to get opponents. He was so insanely talented and powerful that literally no one would step in the ring with him. No one. Zero.
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