Wilder vs Wawrzyk

[Badhusker]

I hope someone gets a good interview with him and calls him on this fight. In the past he has said this guy or that guy turned us down. If he wants to defend himself he should tell us who turned him down, if anyone did, and why he isn't taking on a top guy. He did say his hand was stronger now, and bicep healed.

[sweetviolenturge]

"With Povetkin pissing hot yet again for PEDS"


Bull$hit.

Enough with your being the world's premiere Povetkin apologist already.
You've lost any shred of credibility you may have once had.
Hell, he could literally be caught with the needle still in his ass & you'd still come up with some outlandish theory of his supposed innocence!

[Ilya Muromets]

"With Povetkin pissing hot yet again for PEDS"


Bull$hit.

Enough with your being the world's premiere Povetkin apologist already.
You've lost any shred of credibility you may have once had.
Hell, he could literally be caught with the needle still in his ass & you'd still come up with some outlandish theory of his supposed innocence!

Very good analysis of the drug testing racket here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0mHexLxyc

[punchoutsb]

"With Povetkin pissing hot yet again for PEDS"


Bull$hit.

Enough with your being the world's premiere Povetkin apologist already.
You've lost any shred of credibility you may have once had.
Hell, he could literally be caught with the needle still in his ass & you'd still come up with some outlandish theory of his supposed innocence!

And yet after avoiding top or even mid-tier competition for his entire career you're willing to give Wilder a break due to a "unique set of circumstances".

It should not be the job of the WBC to ensure a fragile, inactive champion gets a chance to shake off ring rust and test out his hand and bicep multiple times. There is no excuse for this, and there hasn't been since day one. When you add in who Wilder was fighting before he became "champion" it becomes very apparent that any confidence in his willingness to challenge himself is terribly misplaced and inaccurate.

[Ilya Muromets]

"With Povetkin pissing hot yet again for PEDS"


Bull$hit.

Enough with your being the world's premiere Povetkin apologist already.
You've lost any shred of credibility you may have once had.
Hell, he could literally be caught with the needle still in his ass & you'd still come up with some outlandish theory of his supposed innocence!

And yet after avoiding top or even mid-tier competition for his entire career you're willing to give Wilder a break due to a "unique set of circumstances".

It should not be the job of the WBC to ensure a fragile, inactive champion gets a chance to shake off ring rust and test out his hand and bicep multiple times. There is no excuse for this, and there hasn't been since day one. When you add in who Wilder was fighting before he became "champion" it becomes very apparent that any confidence in his willingness to challenge himself is terribly misplaced and inaccurate.

They are trying to keep their cash cow safe for as long as they can. Here he is on the floor vs boxing journeyman Harold Sconiers in 2010:



He never even went to Russia to prepare for the Povetkin fight, and he took the plane home from Europe before the phony VADA decision was even made, and Showtime didn't even plan to televise the fight which was supposedly by far the biggest fight of his career...because Showtime - and Doc Goodman in Las Vegas - knew there wasn't going to be a fight.

[jujigatame]

Oh please. I'm not even defending Wilder's awful opponent, but some of you guys are too much.

First of all, it's a complete lie that Showtime wasn't going to televise the fight. You can see here, they had secured the rights and were going to show it live at 4 PM EST:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2016/5/15/11 ... -may-17-21

Second of all, you really think he flew to the UK and trained there for weeks for a fight that he knew wouldn't happen?

I'm guessing you also think 9/11 was a controlled demolition, Sandy Hook never happened, and Hillary Clinton's advisors run a pedophilia ring out of a pizzeria basement.

[punchoutsb]

I don't think the notion that a fighter is being protected or that there may be corruption in boxing is quite on the level of those whacky conspiracy theories...do you?

I don't think the goon squad has it in for Povetkin, but I do think Wilder is getting help to continue this charade while holding on to his meaningless belt.

[Impractical Poster]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

[gilgamesh]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

Wilder should be universally hated by all Boxing fans. He's a disgrace to the sport.

[Impractical Poster]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

Wilder should be universally hated by all Boxing fans. He's a disgrace to the sport.

Well alrighty.

[Boxing Writer]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

He was knocked down hard by small past-prime Russian jorneyman Denis Bakhtov in the first round and arguably lost that fight. He laso showed fantastic dacing skills in the eight round of that fight after Bakhtov landed another left hand - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPmi__9kh-8

Wawrzyk also looked pretty bad in his last fight against totally shot Albert Sosnowsky, who was knocked out of the ring by Martin Rogan years ago.

[Cap]

Wilder stinks for ducking quality opponents. Povetkin stinks for using banned drugs. Joshua stinks for doing both of the above. Ortiz stinks. (Did you see his fight with Scott?) Klitschko stinks because he lost to a clown. If Lennox Lewis got into shape he'd probably be world champ inside a year.

[crusader]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

He was embarrassingly out of his depth against pre-Wlad (pre-stuff?) Povetkin, doesn't have any notable wins (so what if he's only lost to Pov when his opposition has been mediocre), has a glass chin, and in general just doesn't belong anywhere near this level.

To put it in perspective, AJ's 9th pro opponent, whom he breezed through in 2 rounds less than a year after turning pro, dropped Wawrzyk, had him all over the place, and arguably deserved the win. This will be Deontay's 38th fight coming up and he's been a pro for 8 years, whereas AJ has just 18 fights and has only been a pro 3 years, although if the Wlad bout goes ahead he'll already have fought better opposition than Wilder.

AJ has started to get criticism for his matchmaking, but surely a reasonable person can see that it's not exactly the same situation when he's been a pro for 5 fewer years yet is probably about to surpass Wilder in the resume department.

[Tanzio]

Wilder stinks for ducking quality opponents. Povetkin stinks for using banned drugs. Joshua stinks for doing both of the above. Ortiz stinks. (Did you see his fight with Scott?) Klitschko stinks because he lost to a clown. If Lennox Lewis got into shape he'd probably be world champ inside a year.

That's a freighter load of BO, Cap. Come on, man, admit it. The HW div is in better shape than it has been since a previous millennium.

You can do it.

[5burowz]

Deonte should change his last name to 'Milder'

[Impractical Poster]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

He was embarrassingly out of his depth against pre-Wlad (pre-stuff?) Povetkin, doesn't have any notable wins (so what if he's only lost to Pov when his opposition has been mediocre), has a glass chin, and in general just doesn't belong anywhere near this level.

To put it in perspective, AJ's 9th pro opponent, whom he breezed through in 2 rounds less than a year after turning pro, dropped Wawrzyk, had him all over the place, and arguably deserved the win. This will be Deontay's 38th fight coming up and he's been a pro for 8 years, whereas AJ has just 18 fights and has only been a pro 3 years, although if the Wlad bout goes ahead he'll already have fought better opposition than Wilder.


AJ has started to get criticism for his matchmaking, but surely a reasonable person can see that it's not exactly the same situation when he's been a pro for 5 fewer years yet is probably about to surpass Wilder in the resume department.

I understand. In Wilder's defense, he just won the title last year. He's been relatively active. I believe everyone knows he was brought up to a title shot slowly as he had things to work on and has been a work in progress. Like I stated, I would rather him face a better opponent. And while he does deserve criticism, the level it is on this forum is becoming absurd. His main detractors have been there since before he won the title. This just feeds their flaming hatred towards him.

There has been a lot more expected from Joshua than there was Deontay at the different stages of their pro career. Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist. He had a softer title opponent than did Wilder. Big kudos to Joshua for facing Wlad. But the way people are going about on here you'd think Wilder was the biggest ducker in the sport. I'm just trying to keep the hate in perspective. When you hear stuff like, "Wilder should be universally hated by all Boxing fans. He's a disgrace to the sport."... things are entering the realm of ridiculousness.

[Rob3_142]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

He was embarrassingly out of his depth against pre-Wlad (pre-stuff?) Povetkin, doesn't have any notable wins (so what if he's only lost to Pov when his opposition has been mediocre), has a glass chin, and in general just doesn't belong anywhere near this level.

To put it in perspective, AJ's 9th pro opponent, whom he breezed through in 2 rounds less than a year after turning pro, dropped Wawrzyk, had him all over the place, and arguably deserved the win. This will be Deontay's 38th fight coming up and he's been a pro for 8 years, whereas AJ has just 18 fights and has only been a pro 3 years, although if the Wlad bout goes ahead he'll already have fought better opposition than Wilder.


AJ has started to get criticism for his matchmaking, but surely a reasonable person can see that it's not exactly the same situation when he's been a pro for 5 fewer years yet is probably about to surpass Wilder in the resume department.

I understand. In Wilder's defense, he just won the title last year. He's been relatively active. I believe everyone knows he was brought up to a title shot slowly as he had things to work on and has been a work in progress. Like I stated, I would rather him face a better opponent. And while he does deserve criticism, the level it is on this forum is becoming absurd. His main detractors have been there since before he won the title. This just feeds their flaming hatred towards him.

There has been a lot more expected from Joshua than there was Deontay at the different stages of their pro career. Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist. He had a softer title opponent than did Wilder. Big kudos to Joshua for facing Wlad. But the way people are going about on here you'd think Wilder was the biggest ducker in the sport. I'm just trying to keep the hate in perspective. When you hear stuff like, "Wilder should be universally hated by all Boxing fans. He's a disgrace to the sport."... things are entering the realm of ridiculousness.

This^.

While I understand the frustration this causes, I'm confident that these big fights will happen. I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theories a lot on this forum do. It's easy to leap to the extremes. Reality is, most of Wilder's opposition have been a result of circumstances. Eventually the cards will fall in the right place and Wilder will be tested by one of the other big guns in the division.

[Gnome]

It's really hard to find arguments for this fight. Wawrzyk hasn't fought anyone since the demolition job Povetkin did on him which would earn him a world title shot. He is in pretty much the same position Sosnowski is in, when he got the call up against Vitali. Worse even, considering Sosnowski was euro champ and had a good looking victory over the then undefeated Pianeta in his pocket. Wawryzk would be a good opponent for Whyte Browne or Briggs. Wilder should be fighting more proven challengers.

[crusader]

He was embarrassingly out of his depth against pre-Wlad (pre-stuff?) Povetkin, doesn't have any notable wins (so what if he's only lost to Pov when his opposition has been mediocre), has a glass chin, and in general just doesn't belong anywhere near this level.

To put it in perspective, AJ's 9th pro opponent, whom he breezed through in 2 rounds less than a year after turning pro, dropped Wawrzyk, had him all over the place, and arguably deserved the win. This will be Deontay's 38th fight coming up and he's been a pro for 8 years, whereas AJ has just 18 fights and has only been a pro 3 years, although if the Wlad bout goes ahead he'll already have fought better opposition than Wilder.


AJ has started to get criticism for his matchmaking, but surely a reasonable person can see that it's not exactly the same situation when he's been a pro for 5 fewer years yet is probably about to surpass Wilder in the resume department.

I understand. In Wilder's defense, he just won the title last year. He's been relatively active. I believe everyone knows he was brought up to a title shot slowly as he had things to work on and has been a work in progress. Like I stated, I would rather him face a better opponent. And while he does deserve criticism, the level it is on this forum is becoming absurd. His main detractors have been there since before he won the title. This just feeds their flaming hatred towards him.

There has been a lot more expected from Joshua than there was Deontay at the different stages of their pro career. Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist. He had a softer title opponent than did Wilder. Big kudos to Joshua for facing Wlad. But the way people are going about on here you'd think Wilder was the biggest ducker in the sport. I'm just trying to keep the hate in perspective. When you hear stuff like, "Wilder should be universally hated by all Boxing fans. He's a disgrace to the sport."... things are entering the realm of ridiculousness.

This^.

While I understand the frustration this causes, I'm confident that these big fights will happen. I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theories a lot on this forum do. It's easy to leap to the extremes. Reality is, most of Wilder's opposition have been a result of circumstances. Eventually the cards will fall in the right place and Wilder will be tested by one of the other big guns in the division.

Heard it all before that he's going to fight top opponents/that his next opponent will be better/that later in the year he'll fight someone good.

When it happens, great, but right now his 38th pro fight is likely to be against Wawrzyk, and his opposition has just been going downhill. To me he seems like someone who is content fighting weak opponents for good purses, and only takes on challenges if they're forced upon him.

[Cap]

The heavyweight division sucks and is the worst it's been in many years. The 1980s had some really pathetic boxers but these guys now make them look good. Anyone who thinks Joshua, Wilder, Ortiz, Povetkin, etc are "natural" athletes worthy of comparison to the greats is delusional. Even Chris Byrd in his prime was better than this bunch of PED losers.

[Lackeos]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

If you haven't heard any criticism of Joshua, then you don't read boxrec enough. He gets a fair amount of praise, but there are detractors as well, and most people agree that his standard of opposition has been non-ideal since capturing the IBF belt. Having said that, Joshua is a couple of years younger than Wilder and hasn't made as many voluntary defenses as Wilder has. Plus, Wilder has downgraded his standard of opposition after Stiverne; whereas Joshua hasn't really backslid. Joshua's block of Martin, Breazeale, and Molina was a pretty consistent standard; all of whom were nearly tied for his best opponents (or at least it would seem that way before Whyte got his win over Chisora). THEN, Joshua DID raise his standards and agreed to fight Klitschko, so his matchmaking should be beyond reproach at this point, as long as that fight is seriously intended to go down.

As far as what's so bad about Wawrzyk, what's good about him? He has 0 wins against top 50 opposition. That's extremely pathetic even compared to Breazeale (beat Mansour), Martin ("beat" Glazkov), Molina (beat Adamek), Arreola (beat Mitchell), Szpilka (beat Adamek), Duhaupas (beat Helenius), Scott (beat Thompson), Leapai (beat Boytsov), etc.. It's been quite a while since we've had a heavyweight title challenger who had 0 wins against then top 50 opponents.

[Impractical Poster]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

If you haven't heard any criticism of Joshua, then you don't read boxrec enough. He gets a fair amount of praise, but there are detractors as well, and most people agree that his standard of opposition has been non-ideal since capturing the IBF belt. Having said that, Joshua is a couple of years younger than Wilder and hasn't made as many voluntary defenses as Wilder has. Plus, Wilder has downgraded his standard of opposition after Stiverne; whereas Joshua hasn't really backslid. Joshua's block of Martin, Breazeale, and Molina was a pretty consistent standard; all of whom were nearly tied for his best opponents (or at least it would seem that way before Whyte got his win over Chisora). THEN, Joshua DID raise his standards and agreed to fight Klitschko, so his matchmaking should be beyond reproach at this point, as long as that fight is seriously intended to go down.

As far as what's so bad about Wawrzyk, what's good about him? He has 0 wins against top 50 opposition. That's extremely pathetic even compared to Breazeale (beat Mansour), Martin ("beat" Glazkov), Molina (beat Adamek), Arreola (beat Mitchell), Szpilka (beat Adamek), Duhaupas (beat Helenius), Scott (beat Thompson), Leapai (beat Boytsov), etc.. It's been quite a while since we've had a heavyweight title challenger who had 0 wins against then top 50 opponents.

It's hard to go down in opposition from the likes of Martin, though. Wouldn't you agree? I definitely give him credit for making the Wlad fight. Just as Wilder should have been given credit for making the Povetkin fight. Yet, it seems that Wilder gets most of the hate for that fight not coming to fruition.

“I’m very disappointed that due to Povetkin’s failed drug test the fight is not going to happen on May 21 in Moscow,” Wilder said Sunday in a statement. “I had worked very hard to prepare myself for this important title defense, spending the last two weeks training in England to get accustomed to fighting in Europe. I wanted to give the fans a great show, but we understand the WBC’s position that the fight occur on an even playing field.”

Wilder’s promoter, Lou DiBella, said, based upon Povetkin’s positive test for meldonium, and with the health and safety of Deontay Wilder the paramount consideration, “this fight could not take place next Saturday. As a result of Povetkin’s use of a banned substance and breach of contract, Deontay Wilder was deprived of an opportunity to defend his title as he had prepared to — on an even playing field.

“He and his team have suffered significant damages as a result. Any talk of rescheduling by (promoter) Mr. (Andrey) Ryabinsky at this point is unfounded and premature. Team Wilder will await further communications from the WBC and will weigh all our options given what has transpired.”

[Andrew]

Wilder stinks for ducking quality opponents. Povetkin stinks for using banned drugs. Joshua stinks for doing both of the above. Ortiz stinks. (Did you see his fight with Scott?) Klitschko stinks because he lost to a clown. If Lennox Lewis got into shape he'd probably be world champ inside a year.

[Gnome]

Substantial amount of hate for Wilder on this forum.

I would like to see him face a Povetkin, Ortiz, or Wlad as well. I am not happy with this choice. I understand he can do better. However, can someone tell me what is so bad about this guy. Granted, I have not seen him fight. But, looking at his record, he has only lost to Povetkin. I mean, before Joshua signed to fight Wlad, he feasted on a Deontay left overs and I do not remember hearing any criticism.

If you haven't heard any criticism of Joshua, then you don't read boxrec enough. He gets a fair amount of praise, but there are detractors as well, and most people agree that his standard of opposition has been non-ideal since capturing the IBF belt. Having said that, Joshua is a couple of years younger than Wilder and hasn't made as many voluntary defenses as Wilder has. Plus, Wilder has downgraded his standard of opposition after Stiverne; whereas Joshua hasn't really backslid. Joshua's block of Martin, Breazeale, and Molina was a pretty consistent standard; all of whom were nearly tied for his best opponents (or at least it would seem that way before Whyte got his win over Chisora). THEN, Joshua DID raise his standards and agreed to fight Klitschko, so his matchmaking should be beyond reproach at this point, as long as that fight is seriously intended to go down.

As far as what's so bad about Wawrzyk, what's good about him? He has 0 wins against top 50 opposition. That's extremely pathetic even compared to Breazeale (beat Mansour), Martin ("beat" Glazkov), Molina (beat Adamek), Arreola (beat Mitchell), Szpilka (beat Adamek), Duhaupas (beat Helenius), Scott (beat Thompson), Leapai (beat Boytsov), etc.. It's been quite a while since we've had a heavyweight title challenger who had 0 wins against then top 50 opponents.

Pianeta or Briggs?

[Impractical Poster]

As far as what's so bad about Wawrzyk, what's good about him? He has 0 wins against top 50 opposition. That's extremely pathetic even compared to Breazeale (beat Mansour), Martin ("beat" Glazkov), Molina (beat Adamek), Arreola (beat Mitchell), Szpilka (beat Adamek), Duhaupas (beat Helenius), Scott (beat Thompson), Leapai (beat Boytsov), etc.. It's been quite a while since we've had a heavyweight title challenger who had 0 wins against then top 50 opponents.

Technically, Martin beat Glazkov. However, the Glazkov/Martin fight was for a title. And Martin was a challenger then as well... Just sayin.