Well done Joe

[RazorKO]

agreed

Try telling Jeff Lacy that! As for RJJ, I would pick him at his best to beat Calzaghe but it wouldnt be one-sided, Joe would have given him a great test and might even have beaten him. Id pick Joe to beat Toney and win every round or stop Glen Johnson. I just love the way you American fans are biased against British fighters

The Calzaghe of Saturday would have beaten the peak RJJ... I know that the Americans will never swallow that one but I'm sure of it... the way to beat Jones has always been pace and speed and Calzaghe has both... end of story... the truth is many of the Top American fighters are overrated... I think Calzaghe would handle Hopkins and Taylor pretty much with ease... niether would be able to deal with his speed and pace...

Absolutley no way would Calzgahe beat a prime Roy Jones. while RJJ was fast, he also carried a punch and never slapped like Joe did.

If i remember correctly didnt Calzaghe have a bit of trouble with Robin Reid? He also ducked Glencoffe Johnson, avoided a showdown with Clinton Woods and never fought Ottke (Although I dont blame him because Ottke is far more of a cheat than Calzaghe is). It has taken Calzaghe 41 fights to finally beat a top fighter and now everyone thinks he is HOF material and could beat men like Toney and RJJ!

Nigel Benn was far better than Calzaghe was, same with Eubank and Waton. Dont compare Calzaghe with real fighters like RJJ, Toney, Benn etc and also people should stop saying he is the no.1 British fighter because Britain still has the great Hatton who I think has a hell of a chance to beat Mayweather.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

agreed

Try telling Jeff Lacy that! As for RJJ, I would pick him at his best to beat Calzaghe but it wouldnt be one-sided, Joe would have given him a great test and might even have beaten him. Id pick Joe to beat Toney and win every round or stop Glen Johnson. I just love the way you American fans are biased against British fighters

The Calzaghe of Saturday would have beaten the peak RJJ... I know that the Americans will never swallow that one but I'm sure of it... the way to beat Jones has always been pace and speed and Calzaghe has both... end of story... the truth is many of the Top American fighters are overrated... I think Calzaghe would handle Hopkins and Taylor pretty much with ease... niether would be able to deal with his speed and pace...

lets not get carried away with this victory. it is not as if he shutout a nigel benn out there. even if toney was "weight drained", he was still a much better 168 than jeff lacy was.

if u asked pre fight, who would win jones or calzaghe, everyone would say jones easily.


now because calzaghe beat an overhyped fighter, people are saying he could beat a peak roy jones, who has more skill than lacy and calzaghe put together.


people are getting so carried away with this victory as if lacy was an all time great. the lacy from last night wouldn't last 10 rounds with a peak nigel benn, let alone a roy jones.




how is calzaghe going to deal with jones speed, skill, power? roy jones technique is levels above calzaghe who has poor technique when throwing punches.

[mattyp151]

It's waves of emotion regarding a surprisingly good win for Joe and a drop off in RJJ that has a bunch of people making over the top statements regarding those two. Seriously, I've never seen a good fighter been made out to be a World Beater after being accosted for his crappy resume. It wasn't like he beat 1970's Ali in there the other night. He beat a very 1 dimensional fighter who never changed his game plan. RJJ was what Joe is kind of like now, except more overall speed and better technique.

[TheRiverCityHippy]

It's waves of emotion regarding a surprisingly good win for Joe and a drop off in RJJ that has a bunch of people making over the top statements regarding those two. Seriously, I've never seen a good fighter been made out to be a World Beater after being accosted for his crappy resume. It wasn't like he beat 1970's Ali in there the other night. He beat a very 1 dimensional fighter who never changed his game plan. RJJ was what Joe is kind of like now, except more overall speed and better technique.

the fact remains that calzaghe was a big enough puncher to put eubank on the floor with a single shot and to stop 21 of his 22 opponents before that fight early. roy would be favourite but he hasnt got a cast iron chin by any means and joe has the speed and skill to take the fight to him.
that fight would be nowhere near a gimme.

[mattyp151]

It's waves of emotion regarding a surprisingly good win for Joe and a drop off in RJJ that has a bunch of people making over the top statements regarding those two. Seriously, I've never seen a good fighter been made out to be a World Beater after being accosted for his crappy resume. It wasn't like he beat 1970's Ali in there the other night. He beat a very 1 dimensional fighter who never changed his game plan. RJJ was what Joe is kind of like now, except more overall speed and better technique.

the fact remains that calzaghe was a big enough puncher to put eubank on the floor with a single shot and to stop 21 of his 22 opponents before that fight early. roy would be favourite but he hasnt got a cast iron chin by any means and joe has the speed and skill to take the fight to him.
that fight would be nowhere near a gimme.

Come on, you're gonna tell me that the Chris Eubank Calzaghe fought was any better than the Robin Reid Lacy put down 4 times? Had he caught Eubank 3 or 4 years earlier, definitely a Marquee win...however, even with that win, people still questioned Calzaghe's resume up until March 4th. RJJ was a beast at 168, and even with not the sturdiest chin in the game, people weren't ever able to exploit that due to his other skills in the ring.

[TheRiverCityHippy]

It's waves of emotion regarding a surprisingly good win for Joe and a drop off in RJJ that has a bunch of people making over the top statements regarding those two. Seriously, I've never seen a good fighter been made out to be a World Beater after being accosted for his crappy resume. It wasn't like he beat 1970's Ali in there the other night. He beat a very 1 dimensional fighter who never changed his game plan. RJJ was what Joe is kind of like now, except more overall speed and better technique.

the fact remains that calzaghe was a big enough puncher to put eubank on the floor with a single shot and to stop 21 of his 22 opponents before that fight early. roy would be favourite but he hasnt got a cast iron chin by any means and joe has the speed and skill to take the fight to him.
that fight would be nowhere near a gimme.

Come on, you're gonna tell me that the Chris Eubank Calzaghe fought was any better than the Robin Reid Lacy put down 4 times? Had he caught Eubank 3 or 4 years earlier, definitely a Marquee win...however, even with that win, people still questioned Calzaghe's resume up until March 4th. RJJ was a beast at 168, and even with not the sturdiest chin in the game, people weren't ever able to exploit that due to his other skills in the ring.

i used the eubank analogy to emphasise the fact that joe had enough power in his younger days to put down a fighter with a cast iron chin.
i think given joe`s skills and speed its not out of the question that he would catch jones.
people rightly questioned joe`s resume and to people in the uk who watched joe win 3 aba titles without breaking sweat, turn pro and knock 16 of his first 20 or so opponents out within 2 rounds that was the frustrating thing, calzaghe had class stamped all over him from a young age but once he got into the comfort zone he never came out. that doesnt mean the talent wasnt there. joe took stick from brits but that was because we knew it was a waste.
i genuinely think joe would have given jones all he could handle, joe had a bigger punch and a better chin and wasnt far behind in the speed stakes either.

[barry]

>>>joe had a bigger punch and a better chin and wasnt far behind in the speed stakes either<<<

Not at all true! Jones was never even shaken by a punch at 168 whereas Joe has been down. Jones hit a hell of a lot harder than Calzaghe at 168 and as fast as Joe seemed against Lacy, he is still in slow motion compared to Jones, especially at 168! Jones would destroy Calzaghe in a very ugly manner, probably very similar to the manner that he did with James Toney, only Toney is a tougher fighter than Calzaghe and was able to last, Calzaghe would not. Jones by early knockout...2, maybe 3 rounds!

[dr_devious]

>>>joe had a bigger punch and a better chin and wasnt far behind in the speed stakes either<<<

Not at all true! Jones was never even shaken by a punch at 168 whereas Joe has been down. Jones hit a hell of a lot harder than Calzaghe at 168 and as fast as Joe seemed against Lacy, he is still in slow motion compared to Jones, especially at 168! Jones would destroy Calzaghe in a very ugly manner, probably very similar to the manner that he did with James Toney, only Toney is a tougher fighter than Calzaghe and was able to last, Calzaghe would not. Jones by early knockout...2, maybe 3 rounds!

Barry, what do you base your assumption on that Jones would knock Calzaghe out in 2 or 3 rounds other than American bias and bullshit? Calzaghe has got a great chin for a SM (yes I know hes been knocked down twice IN 41 FIGHTS), but hes got great speed and a decent defence and good power. Hes probably as good as anyone Jones fought, including Hopkins and Toney. Id think Jones would probably have won on points or late stoppage. Dont forget that Calzaghe is nearly 34, and has suffered serious hand injuries which prevents him throwing his best punches for all 12 rounds!
I think Joe showed Lacy to be very 1 dimensional on Sat night, but give the guy credit for being 41-0 over the last 13 years. Im not sure why his career hasnt taken off more, but I dont think he ducked Glen Johnson because Jeff Lacy for all his limitations was still a more dangerous fighter than Johnson. Joe should probably have based himself in America like Lennox Lewis, and Ricky Hatton is now doing, and he may have got the career defining fights against Hopkins and Jones.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

>>>joe had a bigger punch and a better chin and wasnt far behind in the speed stakes either<<<

Not at all true! Jones was never even shaken by a punch at 168 whereas Joe has been down. Jones hit a hell of a lot harder than Calzaghe at 168 and as fast as Joe seemed against Lacy, he is still in slow motion compared to Jones, especially at 168! Jones would destroy Calzaghe in a very ugly manner, probably very similar to the manner that he did with James Toney, only Toney is a tougher fighter than Calzaghe and was able to last, Calzaghe would not. Jones by early knockout...2, maybe 3 rounds!

tell you the truth, i agree with everything you say right there. eexcept i think calzaghe would last more than 2 or 3 rounds


i cant understand why people are getting so carried away with this lacy victory.


just watch a peak 168lb jones on film, hes way better than calzaghe in every skill department and is more naturally athletic.

[dalek]

then again barry and brockton probably had lacy koing joe easily before the fight as well.i don't think joe would have beaten jones but he would have given him a good fight.

[evndrbsn]

DEFINITION OF KNOCKDOWN

i. A knockdown results in a fighter touching the ground with any part of his body due to damaging attack(s).


ii. A standing knockdown is when the fighter has sustained damage and the referee determines to stop the attack from continuing.

iii. The Referee determines a knockdown and will proceed with the count once the opponent has gone to the neutral corner.

iv. If the opponent does not follow the Referees instructions to go to the neutral corner the count will stop, and will start again at 1 when the fighter reaches the neutral corner.

Just for you Judges also scored it a knockdown too

Um, the referee ruled it a knockdown so the judges had to give Calzaghe the extra point. It isn't up to the judges discretion.

[mattyp151]

DEFINITION OF KNOCKDOWN

i. A knockdown results in a fighter touching the ground with any part of his body due to damaging attack(s).


ii. A standing knockdown is when the fighter has sustained damage and the referee determines to stop the attack from continuing.

iii. The Referee determines a knockdown and will proceed with the count once the opponent has gone to the neutral corner.

iv. If the opponent does not follow the Referees instructions to go to the neutral corner the count will stop, and will start again at 1 when the fighter reaches the neutral corner.

Just for you Judges also scored it a knockdown too

Um, the referee ruled it a knockdown so the judges had to give Calzaghe the extra point. It isn't up to the judges discretion.

The only way for a judge to counter a KD is to make it a 9-9 round. Otherwise, they have to score it a 10-8 round because a KD is -1 no matter what you think. I think if anyone scored the Lacy bout with a 9-9 round they were on crack, PCP, LSD, or some other type of hallucinogin.

[Collins2000]

>>>joe had a bigger punch and a better chin and wasnt far behind in the speed stakes either<<<

Not at all true! Jones was never even shaken by a punch at 168 whereas Joe has been down. Jones hit a hell of a lot harder than Calzaghe at 168 and as fast as Joe seemed against Lacy, he is still in slow motion compared to Jones, especially at 168! Jones would destroy Calzaghe in a very ugly manner, probably very similar to the manner that he did with James Toney, only Toney is a tougher fighter than Calzaghe and was able to last, Calzaghe would not. Jones by early knockout...2, maybe 3 rounds!

Jones by early knockout? Hilarious. No wonder no one takes you seriously.

Hang on, maybe you were trying to be funny...

[barry]

Collins2000---I see that you too are still rubbing that sore snatch you have from the verbal beat-down you got a couple of months ago! As is obvious by the last couple of your posts, it’s still eating at you deeply isn’t it?

By the way, do you ever have anything the least bit original to say, or are you just this boring all the time?

[Collins2000]

Collins2000---I see that you too are still rubbing that sore snatch you have from the verbal beat-down you got a couple of months ago! As is obvious by the last couple of your posts, it’s still eating at you deeply isn’t it?

By the way, do you ever have anything the least bit original to say, or are you just this boring all the time?

bazza, there was no verbal beat down. You don't have the knowledge or the smarts to hand one out, pal. So stop fantasising. As I recall you got a slap for acting like a jackass and went into a sulk and turned your prefect's badge in. Now THAT was funny.

So, a bloke who's never been beat in 40 fights, never been stopped, never been hurt even is gonna fall over in a couple of rounds? Why not elaborate a bit. You know I find your posts amusing...

[barry]

Like I said, if you can ever become somewhat original I may let you debate actual boxing with me, but right now you still have a long way to go, but don't give up...in a couple of years you might be able to understand 5% of what I know, but then again...I doubt it!

[Collins2000]

Like I said, if you can ever become somewhat original I may let you debate actual boxing with me, but right now you still have a long way to go, but don't give up...in a couple of years you might be able to understand 5% of what I know, but then again...I doubt it!

bazza, I've told you before, running errands for Tracy and company doesn't cut it with me, pal. All this alleged knowledge of yours. You ever managed to actually publish anything? Anything at all? Maybe a letter in The Ring? What about one of those fanzine's like Wail or BAWLI? Ever managed to get an article accepted in one of those? Surely a man of your staggering intellect not to mention humility should be able to tell a tale or too.

PS, Tracy and the other real experts are always getting articles published...

[barry]

>>>You ever managed to actually publish anything?<<<

Actually, yes! Not only in the CBZ, but also in a few IBRO Journals, but that's all stuff that is over your head, but it's like this, the only things that I have ever tried to have published, well they were published and if I really wanted, I could have a lot more published as well! See all I have to do is write something and it will get published and I guess that is what hurts your feelings most because you can't. There are several websites that have asked me to write for them, but I had told Gordoom in the past that if I ever write anything the CBZ has dibs, and you, well you just sit there wishing that you had a quarter of the knowledge and ability that I do and you are just jealous that you do not have any of the influential and well-versed friends that I do, so you do what you can, which is come here on an internet message board and cry about me and it is always the same whiny crap that you have said over and over...as I said, very unoriginally boring...that sums you up pretty good! Now, I have better things to do than play these silly little games with you, so go waste someone else’s time with your petty crybaby rants!


P.S. I’m curious…what have you ever done besides whine about me?

[barry]

One other thing...keep your little crybaby rants in this thread...you have plenty of space to waste right here, we have an actual debate going on in the other thread and unless you have something to add to the topic, which I'm sure you don't you don't, then keep your childish posts to one thread and if anyone in this thread has a problem then they can take it up with you, but if you try to take your whiny rant to any other threads it will just be deleted!

[Collins2000]

>>>You ever managed to actually publish anything?<<<

Actually, yes! Not only in the CBZ, but also in a few IBRO Journals, but that's all stuff that is over your head, but it's like this, the only things that I have ever tried to have published, well they were published and if I really wanted, I could have a lot more published as well! See all I have to do is write something and it will get published and I guess that is what hurts your feelings most because you can't. There are several websites that have asked me to write for them, but I had told Gordoom in the past that if I ever write anything the CBZ has dibs, and you, well you just sit there wishing that you had a quarter of the knowledge and ability that I do and you are just jealous that you do not have any of the influential and well-versed friends that I do, so you do what you can, which is come here on an internet message board and cry about me and it is always the same whiny crap that you have said over and over...as I said, very unoriginally boring...that sums you up pretty good! Now, I have better things to do than play these silly little games with you, so go waste someone else’s time with your petty crybaby rants!


P.S. I’m curious…what have you ever done besides whine about me?

Come on then. Don't be modest. Which issue of CBZ? They are all archived on the site and I want to read it.

And, bazza, don't think I don't enjoy your childish insults but, fekk man, try and vary them a bit could you?

[barry]

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/news/arc ... 000708.htm

[Collins2000]

One other thing...keep your little crybaby rants in this thread...you have plenty of space to waste right here, we have an actual debate going on in the other thread and unless you have something to add to the topic, which I'm sure you don't you don't, then keep your childish posts to one thread and if anyone in this thread has a problem then they can take it up with you, but if you try to take your whiny rant to any other threads it will just be deleted!

bazza, you are back to deleting posts again? I merely asked what footage of McAvoy you had seen. Why not just admit you'd seen none rather than delete the post?

Just when I thought you'd reached maturity.

I'm very disappointed.

:(

[barry]

Of course I am deleting your useless posts that you have taken to other threads...it's the same useless shit that your saying here in this thread. You can whine and cry right here...you don't need to take your rant to any other threads, one is enough!

[Collins2000]

www.cyberboxingzone.com/news/archives/00000708.htm

awesome, Deskins, my man!

Tracy must have been proud.

[Collins2000]

Of course I am deleting your useless posts that you have taken to other threads...it's the same useless shit that your saying here in this thread. You can whine and cry right here...you don't need to take your rant to any other threads, one is enough!

So tell me, bazza, which McAvoy fights HAVE you seen?