Wilder v Povetkin - who's dirty?

[Mexi-Box]

It's fishy because the WBC didn't cancel Salido/Vargas or even cancel the fight the moment Stiverne tested positive. At this point, it looks like the WBC is just picking on Povetkin.

[Kalan]

So far 19 votes have been made, and over quarter still think it's a conspiracy.

Well over a quarter... And that's here... If you took a poll in Russia they would be 100% behind Povetkin.

From the information that's out there we know Povetkin is innocent... But if you're an idiot who doesn't care about the facts, which is the way most Americans have approached VADA's and the WBC's underhanded BS... Then you'll believe anything put out by VADA, the WBC, Wilder, DiBella, Dontae, Montero, and the rest of the idiots out there who parrot BS and nonsense and never try to find out what's really going on.

[davie]

That is 7 months. Melodonium has a half life of 4-6 hours, which would mean that there would have to be a hell of a lot of the drug in the system in October to still be showing trace amounts in May.

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

[Rob3_142]

That is 7 months. Melodonium has a half life of 4-6 hours, which would mean that there would have to be a hell of a lot of the drug in the system in October to still be showing trace amounts in May.

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

[Rob3_142]

So far 19 votes have been made, and over quarter still think it's a conspiracy.

Well over a quarter... And that's here... If you took a poll in Russia they would be 100% behind Povetkin.

From the information that's out there we know Povetkin is innocent... But if you're an idiot who doesn't care about the facts, which is the way most Americans have approached VADA's and the WBC's underhanded BS... Then you'll believe anything put out by VADA, the WBC, Wilder, DiBella, Dontae, Montero, and the rest of the idiots out there who parrot BS and nonsense and never try to find out what's really going on.

Hold on man, a poll by the Levada Center found that 71% of Russians did not believe WADA's reports into State sponsored doping. Is that conspiracy too? I think there's a point where you have to look at yourself, look at what you're doing and hold your hands up, and take ownership of your actions. Russia are not prepared to do that. And as long as they won't conform, they will be left out in the dark.

[greg]

Hold on man, a poll by the Levada Center found that 71% of Russians did not believe WADA's reports into State sponsored doping. Is that conspiracy too? I think there's a point where you have to look at yourself, look at what you're doing and hold your hands up, and take ownership of your actions. Russia are not prepared to do that. And as long as they won't conform, they will be left out in the dark.

..Rob, not willing to start any major discussion here..just curious how many Russians, Americans etc in YOUR opinion read the whole report itself to be able to draw any conclusions? I'm not talking about commentaries or excerps from it... and have you? simple yes or no will be enough.

[Rob3_142]

Hold on man, a poll by the Levada Center found that 71% of Russians did not believe WADA's reports into State sponsored doping. Is that conspiracy too? I think there's a point where you have to look at yourself, look at what you're doing and hold your hands up, and take ownership of your actions. Russia are not prepared to do that. And as long as they won't conform, they will be left out in the dark.

..Rob, not willing to start any major discussion here..just curious how many Russians, Americans etc in YOUR opinion read the whole report itself to be able to draw any conclusions? I'm not talking about commentaries or excerps from it... Have you? simple yes or no will be enough.

The McLaren Report?

No.

I have only read commentaries of the report.

[greg]

Hold on man, a poll by the Levada Center found that 71% of Russians did not believe WADA's reports into State sponsored doping. Is that conspiracy too? I think there's a point where you have to look at yourself, look at what you're doing and hold your hands up, and take ownership of your actions. Russia are not prepared to do that. And as long as they won't conform, they will be left out in the dark.

..Rob, not willing to start any major discussion here..just curious how many Russians, Americans etc in YOUR opinion read the whole report itself to be able to draw any conclusions? I'm not talking about commentaries or excerps from it... Have you? simple yes or no will be enough.

The McLaren Report?

No.

I have only read commentaries of the report.

..thanks for an honest answer

[bigman1968]

Hold on man, a poll by the Levada Center found that 71% of Russians did not believe WADA's reports into State sponsored doping. Is that conspiracy too? I think there's a point where you have to look at yourself, look at what you're doing and hold your hands up, and take ownership of your actions. Russia are not prepared to do that. And as long as they won't conform, they will be left out in the dark.

..Rob, not willing to start any major discussion here..just curious how many Russians, Americans etc in YOUR opinion read the whole report itself to be able to draw any conclusions? I'm not talking about commentaries or excerps from it... and have you? simple yes or no will be enough.

Are you sure McLaren read it???

[Rob3_142]

..Rob, not willing to start any major discussion here..just curious how many Russians, Americans etc in YOUR opinion read the whole report itself to be able to draw any conclusions? I'm not talking about commentaries or excerps from it... Have you? simple yes or no will be enough.

The McLaren Report?

No.

I have only read commentaries of the report.

..thanks for an honest answer

Do you think the report will be much different from the commentaries?

[greg]

..thanks for an honest answer

Do you think the report will be much different from the commentaries?

..I don't know exactly in this case...what I think though it's generally by far not the same: reading a source and commentaries to it..

[bigman1968]

That is 7 months. Melodonium has a half life of 4-6 hours, which would mean that there would have to be a hell of a lot of the drug in the system in October to still be showing trace amounts in May.

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

You are checking the wrong numbers. The important numbers are the $$$ that WBC executives received from Riabinski

[boxing_rocks]

It's fishy because the WBC didn't cancel Salido/Vargas or even cancel the fight the moment Stiverne tested positive. At this point, it looks like the WBC is just picking on Povetkin.

Exactly.

[Rob3_142]

That is 7 months. Melodonium has a half life of 4-6 hours, which would mean that there would have to be a hell of a lot of the drug in the system in October to still be showing trace amounts in May.

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

You are checking the wrong numbers. The important numbers are the $$$ that WBC executives received from Riabinski

[Kalan]

That is 7 months. Melodonium has a half life of 4-6 hours, which would mean that there would have to be a hell of a lot of the drug in the system in October to still be showing trace amounts in May.

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

Yeah...you're really scientific there. We're not talking parts per million---a nanogram is 1 billionth of a gram.. The best science stated that if Povetkin had any concentration below one microgram He passed the test... That would be consistent with an athlete who stopped taking Meldonium when the coming ban was announced... Povetkin had LESS than 1/14th that amount in his sample... I guarantee you that you have arsenic and Chlorine in your urine and blood samples.. It's not enough to hurt you, and you certainly haven't taken those poisons have you??? ... If you attended a party where somebody was smoking pot, you might have an allowable trace in your system.. That's why there are allowable concentrations of PED's that couldn't possibly enhance any athletes performance.. VADA claimed Rios was positive for a drug he said he stopped taking 4 years ago.. The Chinese testing agency that tested Rios for the same fight at the same time, is the same one who tests their Olympic athletes.. They cleared Rios of any and all PED use -- so VADA obviously messes up a lot.

[davie]

That is 7 months. Melodonium has a half life of 4-6 hours, which would mean that there would have to be a hell of a lot of the drug in the system in October to still be showing trace amounts in May.

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

Yeah...you're really scientific there. We're not talking parts per million---a nanogram is 1 billionth of a gram..

You just don't know what you are talking about, please stop

[Rob3_142]

That is 7 months. Melodonium has a half life of 4-6 hours, which would mean that there would have to be a hell of a lot of the drug in the system in October to still be showing trace amounts in May.

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

Yeah...you're really scientific there. We're not talking parts per million---a nanogram is 1 billionth of a gram.. The best science stated that if Povetkin had any concentration below one microgram He passed the test... That would be consistent with an athlete who stopped taking Meldonium when the coming ban was announced... Povetkin had LESS than 1/14th that amount in his sample... I guarantee you that you have arsenic and Chlorine in your urine and blood samples.. It's not enough to hurt you, and you certainly haven't taken those poisons have you??? ... If you attended a party where somebody was smoking pot, you might have an allowable trace in your system.. That's why there are allowable concentrations of PED's that couldn't possibly enhance any athletes performance.. VADA claimed Rios was positive for a drug he said he stopped taking 4 years ago.. The Chinese testing agency that tested Rios for the same fight at the same time, is the same one who tests their Olympic athletes.. They cleared Rios of any and all PED use -- so VADA obviously messes up a lot.

Could you please provide some evidence, or a link to a reputable source which explains that he only had 1/14th of a microgram in his system, please?

[Badhusker]

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

Yeah...you're really scientific there. We're not talking parts per million---a nanogram is 1 billionth of a gram.. The best science stated that if Povetkin had any concentration below one microgram He passed the test... That would be consistent with an athlete who stopped taking Meldonium when the coming ban was announced... Povetkin had LESS than 1/14th that amount in his sample... I guarantee you that you have arsenic and Chlorine in your urine and blood samples.. It's not enough to hurt you, and you certainly haven't taken those poisons have you??? ... If you attended a party where somebody was smoking pot, you might have an allowable trace in your system.. That's why there are allowable concentrations of PED's that couldn't possibly enhance any athletes performance.. VADA claimed Rios was positive for a drug he said he stopped taking 4 years ago.. The Chinese testing agency that tested Rios for the same fight at the same time, is the same one who tests their Olympic athletes.. They cleared Rios of any and all PED use -- so VADA obviously messes up a lot.

Could you please provide some evidence, or a link to a reputable source which explains that he only had 1/14th of a microgram in his system, please?

Has the % of a gram or whatever ever been posted or disputed when a boxer tests dirty? Holy crap. Povetkin is the only one that I know of.

[Enlightened-One]

It really does amaze me that there seems to be an awful lot of know-it-all's that frequent this forum, who either profess to be professionally-trained or boldly claim to possess firsthand insight into all subject matters...

In my eyes, people are arguing without being in possession of all the facts or making unfounded assumptions based on nothing but their pre-held derogatory bias.

Why can't people just wait until VADA or the WBC announce their final judgement on the Povetkin-Ostarine situation, rather than needlessly arguing about a topic that none of us possesses all the pertinent facts about?

[Rob3_142]

It really does amaze me that there seems to be an awful lot of know-it-all's that frequent this forum, who either profess to be professionally-trained or boldly claim to possess firsthand insight into all subject matters...

In my eyes, people are arguing without being in possession of all the facts or making unfounded assumptions based on nothing but their pre-held derogatory bias.

Why can't people just wait until VADA or the WBC announce their final judgement on the Povetkin-Ostarine situation, rather than needlessly arguing about a topic that none of us possesses all the pertinent facts about?

Yeah but we're still waiting on the results from the hearing involving the Fury cousins. I'm not that convinced we'll ever hear anything.

[Kalan]

It really does amaze me that there seems to be an awful lot of know-it-all's that frequent this forum, who either profess to be professionally-trained or boldly claim to possess firsthand insight into all subject matters...

In my eyes, people are arguing without being in possession of all the facts or making unfounded assumptions based on nothing but their pre-held derogatory bias.

Why can't people just wait until VADA or the WBC announce their final judgement on the Povetkin-Ostarine situation, rather than needlessly arguing about a topic that none of us possesses all the pertinent facts about?

Why would you believe VADA and the WBC ??? ... They're the bastards who brought the phony charges against Povetkin for the Wilder fight just before that fight would have happened. Now that they've destroyed another Ryabinsky promotion hours before the fight, and we already know that Povetkin again tested clear in all tests but one -- that was claimed to have a minute trace of Ostarine, that Povetkin said he never took.. Not only that, but other foreign athletes were astounded by the positive findings.

In neither case did VADA ever talk about the concentration or whether it passed or failed... They just spread innuendo.

[asdfjkl]

Exponential decay isn't a speciality of mine. But i'll have go at this
If this drug has a half life of 4-6 hours and there was 7 months between the ingestion and testing, and it was till detectable even in parts per million, the initial dose, must have been slighlty larger than our sun.
My calculations might be slightly underestimating how much Povetkin took though

Yeah...you're really scientific there. We're not talking parts per million---a nanogram is 1 billionth of a gram.. The best science stated that if Povetkin had any concentration below one microgram He passed the test... That would be consistent with an athlete who stopped taking Meldonium when the coming ban was announced... Povetkin had LESS than 1/14th that amount in his sample... I guarantee you that you have arsenic and Chlorine in your urine and blood samples.. It's not enough to hurt you, and you certainly haven't taken those poisons have you??? ... If you attended a party where somebody was smoking pot, you might have an allowable trace in your system.. That's why there are allowable concentrations of PED's that couldn't possibly enhance any athletes performance.. VADA claimed Rios was positive for a drug he said he stopped taking 4 years ago.. The Chinese testing agency that tested Rios for the same fight at the same time, is the same one who tests their Olympic athletes.. They cleared Rios of any and all PED use -- so VADA obviously messes up a lot.

Could you please provide some evidence, or a link to a reputable source which explains that he only had 1/14th of a microgram in his system, please?

70 nanogram is close near 1/14th of a microgram... So kalan is right. And please don't tell me you seriously didn't know this

[Rob3_142]

Yeah...you're really scientific there. We're not talking parts per million---a nanogram is 1 billionth of a gram.. The best science stated that if Povetkin had any concentration below one microgram He passed the test... That would be consistent with an athlete who stopped taking Meldonium when the coming ban was announced... Povetkin had LESS than 1/14th that amount in his sample... I guarantee you that you have arsenic and Chlorine in your urine and blood samples.. It's not enough to hurt you, and you certainly haven't taken those poisons have you??? ... If you attended a party where somebody was smoking pot, you might have an allowable trace in your system.. That's why there are allowable concentrations of PED's that couldn't possibly enhance any athletes performance.. VADA claimed Rios was positive for a drug he said he stopped taking 4 years ago.. The Chinese testing agency that tested Rios for the same fight at the same time, is the same one who tests their Olympic athletes.. They cleared Rios of any and all PED use -- so VADA obviously messes up a lot.

Could you please provide some evidence, or a link to a reputable source which explains that he only had 1/14th of a microgram in his system, please?

70 nanogram is close near 1/14th of a microgram... So kalan is right. And please don't tell me you seriously didn't know this

Know what? I just asked for some supporting evidence. I just want to know where this evidence came from.

[Unbiased Expert]

Yeah...you're really scientific there. We're not talking parts per million---a nanogram is 1 billionth of a gram.. The best science stated that if Povetkin had any concentration below one microgram He passed the test... That would be consistent with an athlete who stopped taking Meldonium when the coming ban was announced... Povetkin had LESS than 1/14th that amount in his sample... I guarantee you that you have arsenic and Chlorine in your urine and blood samples.. It's not enough to hurt you, and you certainly haven't taken those poisons have you??? ... If you attended a party where somebody was smoking pot, you might have an allowable trace in your system.. That's why there are allowable concentrations of PED's that couldn't possibly enhance any athletes performance.. VADA claimed Rios was positive for a drug he said he stopped taking 4 years ago.. The Chinese testing agency that tested Rios for the same fight at the same time, is the same one who tests their Olympic athletes.. They cleared Rios of any and all PED use -- so VADA obviously messes up a lot.

Could you please provide some evidence, or a link to a reputable source which explains that he only had 1/14th of a microgram in his system, please?

70 nanogram is close near 1/14th of a microgram... So kalan is right. And please don't tell me you seriously didn't know this

I love when Russians play innocent ;) You can defend Povetkin how do you want. Russians are the most know cheaters in the sport. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... g-olympics

[punchoutsb]

Could you please provide some evidence, or a link to a reputable source which explains that he only had 1/14th of a microgram in his system, please?

70 nanogram is close near 1/14th of a microgram... So kalan is right. And please don't tell me you seriously didn't know this

I love when Russians play innocent ;) You can defend Povetkin how do you want. Russians are the most know cheaters in the sport. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... g-olympics

Brut, your bigotry is showing too soon into your new account! Be careful or they'll find you!