Andre Ward wants Kovalev to admit that he lost

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think kovalev needs to just move on. He'll lose money waiting on ward.

[Impractical Poster]

I wish Kovalev would do whatever it takes to get the rematch so we can all see it. Maybe it will end up a trilogy? It looks like Ward has limited choices; rematch, Stevenson fight, retire, or move up. If he fights and beats Stevenson, it may make the rematch even bigger, so that would be my guess.

Kov should move on for sure... Let Ward have a difficult time finding meaningful fights. Like you said, his options are limited. No one is going to want to fight a difficult fighter who can't draw flies and is hard to negotiate with. This decision may very well end up being one of the worst things to happen to Ward. Ask Desert Storm.

[punchoutsb]

I wish Kovalev would do whatever it takes to get the rematch so we can all see it. Maybe it will end up a trilogy? It looks like Ward has limited choices; rematch, Stevenson fight, retire, or move up. If he fights and beats Stevenson, it may make the rematch even bigger, so that would be my guess.

He did; he signed a contract. He doesn't need to shine anyones shoes, say the alphabet backwards, or tell Ward he's the belle of the ball.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

In a forum that can be full of nonsense I think faulting kovalev for not telling ward he won and getting on his knees to beg him to honor a contract has to be all time dumb worthy.

[Bard of Boxrec]

So nobody has actually talked about the terms of this rematch clause yet. How long does ward have before he agrees to the terms of the rematch or gets stripped?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

So nobody has actually talked about the terms of this rematch clause yet. How long does ward have before he agrees to the terms of the rematch or gets stripped?

I doubt there are belt repercussions past whatever timeframe the org requires. It's trying to fight someone else that would get him in trouble. His card could be holding Sergey hostage, if kovalev takes another fight it could waive it. So Dre, as he loves to do, will just sit around and do nothing. The vast majority think he won anyway, ward isn't more money than the two fights he could have instead of sitting around. fornicate it, move on.

[Kalan]

Kovalev isn't going to "eff it" and move on... He wants to punish Ward for claiming he won the fight when Kovalev landed more, better, and harder punches.. scored the only knockdown.. drove Ward to the ropes many times and obviously hurt him.. and all the judges and the referee were Americans.. It's a great fight anyway with 2 ATG fighters, so get the damned rematch signed ... and this time PROMOTE the damned fight instead of sitting on your fkking hands.

The whole controversy about the robbery should boost the rematch... But if the rematch never happens it will just leave a rotten taste in everybody's mouth

[Badhusker]

In a forum that can be full of nonsense I think faulting kovalev for not telling ward he won and getting on his knees to beg him to honor a contract has to be all time dumb worthy.

Unless I missed something, no one has faulted Kovalev for not getting on his knees.

[Kalan]

Figuratively they want him to do that... They want him to say the fight could have gone either way and Ward won it legitimately... That’s total BS and Kovalev is not going to do that in a million years... Ward had to STFU and do the rematch... It’s a fight everyone wants to see.

[Tanzio]

Figuratively they want him to do that... They want him to say the fight could have gone either way and Ward won it legitimately... That’s total BS and Kovalev is not going to do that in a million years... Ward had to STFU and do the rematch... It’s a fight everyone wants to see.

Why? You missed the first one.

[Badhusker]

Figuratively they want him to do that... They want him to say the fight could have gone either way and Ward won it legitimately... That’s total BS and Kovalev is not going to do that in a million years... Ward had to STFU and do the rematch... It’s a fight everyone wants to see.

If it was such a clear-cut win by Kovalev, why bother with a rematch?

[Kalan]

Because Kovalev more than deserves the rematch... He should be getting World Champion level paydays -- while Andre Ward doesn't deserve to hold the title and pick and choose his challengers by ducking Kovalev... And it's a fight that's going to be very strongly anticipated and heavily viewed.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

In a forum that can be full of nonsense I think faulting kovalev for not telling ward he won and getting on his knees to beg him to honor a contract has to be all time dumb worthy.

Unless I missed something, no one has faulted Kovalev for not getting on his knees.

You must have missed something.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- Gonna make it simple so even the resident village idiots can follow it. Of course those with political agendas don't care about the rules.

Per ABC Unified rules of judging:

Judges are to score each round using the following scoring criteria:

1. Clean punching (power versus quantity).

2. Effective aggressiveness.

3. Ring generalship.

4. Defense.

Clearly in much of the US, judges ignore the first, most important directive to prop up select fighters, ie Son of Plop who has to be the poorest P4Per since Boner graced Ring ratings. I would rank him as #1 Plop4Plop however. All he ever did is run his noggin under Kov's left armpit and land a few sissy body punches for the Kellermans to moan in ecstasy. This guy ducked huge money fights with undefeated then P4Per Lucien Bute and the Froch rematch in England to fight the likes of Brand who could only command $30,000 purse. He won't be missed.

[Tanzio]

- Gonna make it simple so even the resident village idiots can follow it. Of course those with political agendas don't care about the rules.

Per ABC Unified rules of judging:

Judges are to score each round using the following scoring criteria:

1. Clean punching (power versus quantity).

2. Effective aggressiveness.

3. Ring generalship.

4. Defense.

Clearly in much of the US, judges ignore the first, most important directive to prop up select fighters, ie Son of Plop who has to be the poorest P4Per since Boner graced Ring ratings. I would rank him as #1 Plop4Plop however. All he ever did is run his noggin under Kov's left armpit and land a few sissy body punches for the Kellermans to moan in ecstasy. This guy ducked huge money fights with undefeated then P4Per Lucien Bute and the Froch rematch in England to fight the likes of Brand who could only command $30,000 purse. He won't be missed.

You accusing others of harboring political agendas?

[Kalan]

I am talking about reality. Is that so hard to understand? I used the May/Pac example before, and Pac blew a rematch by citing a shoulder excuse, and not admitting he lost. Yes, a diva like Floyd, Ward, etc, needs to be fed, like it or not. It may seem stupid to you if you are a big fan of Kovalev, but it is pretty simple. Ward can retire or move up. Already beat Kovalev. His legacy years from now if they don't rematch will tell the story. To some boxers legacy is more important than money. The "L" may haunt Kovalev and his closest fans for years to come.

I don't know what your reality is. If you think that Mayweather pulled the plug on a rematch with Pac because Pac cited a shoulder injury and didn't admit defeat than thats seriously simple thinking. Why would Mayweather care what Pac thought? Maidana said he won their first fight (which he didn't) and was granted a rematch and then said he won the second fight.

Why should Ward care what Kovalev thinks? Why is Ward concerned Kovalev is "making himself look bad" to the public by not admitting defeat. I think he's insecure. He wants Kovalev to admit defeat then he will retire and he will always be able to say, even Kovalev said I won. Ward is an exploiter. His actual boxing styles exploits traditional boxing. Holding and hitting is the prime example.

It makes no sense for Kovalev to "admit defeat". It will make no difference to whether there's an rematch on not. Bigger things are in play, no some school yard manipulation by Ward.

Floyd publicly said he would give Pacquiao a rematch but changed his mind after hearing the excuses. Here is a quote from ESPN:

"Did I text Stephen A. Smith and say I will fight him again? Yeah, but I change my mind. At this particular time, no, because he's a sore loser and he's a coward," Mayweather told Showtime in an interview taped this week that will air Saturday night (9 ET) during the network's replay of last Saturday night's megafight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

"If you lost, accept the loss and say, 'Mayweather, you were the better fighter,'" Mayweather continued.

My seriously simple thinking is right on the money. I try to base my reality on facts, and not make stuff up. My opinion may seem off base, but whatever.
I agree the May/Pac fight score-wise is a poor comparison. I understand if Kovalev thinks he won the fight he probably isn't going to give props to Ward. I didn't think it was a total domination like quite a few here do, so in my opinion the sportsmanlike thing to do would be to at least congratulate the winner.

You don't congratulate anybody on a robbery like that... The thing for Ward to do is admit Kovalev won or shutup... Kovalev knows he won the fight and would have been awarded the fight in Russia with 3 Russian judges and a Russian referee -- by a wide margin... I knew what the score was going to be---because I smelled a robbery as soon as I heard ALL the officials were Americans, and I posted as much before the fight... I told some Boxing people "The judges are going to score it 114-113 for Ward." They all laughed when the score was announced and said it was a horrible robbery.. Kov knows he was fkd... All he wants now is his rematch... or Ward can retire...