Vitali Klitschko vs. Mike Tyson prime for prime

[elmersalsa]

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Lewis was awesome... He crushed prime Ruddock, Grant, and Golota in 1 or 2 rounds each... beat Morrison silly... outslugged Ray Mercer... and boxed David Tua's ears off... Lewis was older than Tyson -- but he beat the loud mouthed bully right into the canvas.. Lewis punched MIke right in his motor mouth practically through 8 rounds -- and leveled the relentless braggart for the count.

The slow and punchless Golota punched the crap out of Bowe.. Bowe had no defense.. Even Michael Grant was faster than Golota, and made him quit.

Lewis would have murdered the wide open Bowe... Bowe trashed his Championship Belt rather than get knocked cold by Lewis.. Bowe was so easy to hit that he avoided big, tall, great punchers.. Bowe would have done as poorly vs big, tall, great punchers as Joe Frazier---who didn't fight any other than Foreman... Frazier certainly didn't fight Ron Lyle, who had Foreman down twice and very nearly knocked him out. In contrast Frazier couldn't reach Foreman with anything.. Bowe, Tyson, and Frazier were all bully types - if you stood up to bullies like Lewis always did, they melted into the woodwork..

Saying Vitali was slow is like saying Lewis was SUPER slow.. Vitali easily beat Lewis to the punch and outscored him by a wide margin.. But Lewis easily out-sped Mike Tyson and outscored HIM by a wide margin.. So you just hate Eastern Europeans and will malign them in any event.

First of all, Eastern European boxers or people have not done anything to me.

Second, Vitali Klitschko IS NOT FAST ENOUGH to beat a beast like the great Mike Tyson. He couldn't beat an ill-prepared, running out of gas and wilting champion like Lennox Lewis. I imagine if a prime Tyson or just the Tyson before biting the great Evander Holyfield would have been on that ring. Lewis ain't beating Tyson that night. Lewis would have get A NASTY KNOCKOUT! I could even see it.

And even when Lewis beat that OLD VERSION AND WASHED UP TYSON didn't impressed me one bit. I knew that Tyson was gonna get his ass kicked that night. I just knew it. Tyson was not even close to his former self.

The Tyson of the 80s was a phenomenal fighting machine. Not too many boxers from the past and present would have beaten him.

Eastern Europeans don't have to do anything to you for you to hate them.. They live in an area of the world that's been at odds with America for a long time.. I'm sure they have an entirely different view of Americans than we do because of that.. The feeling is often mutual.. The hate directed against non-Americans, but specifically Eastern Europeans on his site is unbelievable, and they don't get a square deal over here.

Tyson wasn't that phenomenal.. That was proven by Buster Douglas who had several losses on his record including losing 3 previous fights by KO... As I said, It wasn't a fluke lucky punch like Rahman caught Lewis... Douglas thoroughly out-boxed Tyson and knocked him out.. That was a young, strong, prime Tyson and don't come with excuses.. Lewis and Holyfield were also older than Tyson, but both beat the crap out of Mike before stopping him.

Vitali was fast at eluding punches and fast at punching his opponents... His hands were very fast... Nobody ever outpointed him and he fought until he was 41.. I love the way you say Vitali IS not fast, using the present tense.. He's 45 so he wouldn't be that fast.. Prime Vitali was fast enough to KO fighters who beat Tyson and Holyfield.. He only lost 2 fights -- both due to injury -- fights that he was winning on all score cards at the conclusion. Your perception of his speed is biased nonsense.

Vitali Klitschko was TOO SLOW for a beast like Iron Mike. The guys that beat Tyson in his prime or close to it like Buster Douglas and the great Evander Holyfield were fighters that had SPEED. They were hitting Tyson first. Beating him to the punch. I don't see any indication of Vitali that would impress me. He didn't had that WOW FACTOR. He never did. I don't think he would have had the punching and strength to keep Iron Mike off from him. He couldn't stop a wilting, running out of gas and ill-prepared Lennox Lewis. If Tyson prime would have been the opponent against Lewis that night, Lewis better not be in that type of shape he was in then. We would have witnessed a NASTY KNOCKOUT! A NASTY ONE FOR THE AGES. Lennox would be on the floor grasping for air.

Tyson would have never lost to GOOFY GUYS like Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. I just can't see it. Even an ill-prepared Tyson destroys those two with ease. Lewis caught Tyson at the end of Tyson's time to go. It was time. Put them both in the 80s or early 90s pre jail Tyson and he finds Lewis' chin. Lewis was not the type of boxer that beats someone like Tyson. He wasn't nothing special. Nothing to be awed about. Nothing for at least for me that I gotta see him fight. Tyson was.

[Kalan]

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Lewis was awesome... He crushed prime Ruddock, Grant, and Golota in 1 or 2 rounds each... beat Morrison silly... outslugged Ray Mercer... and boxed David Tua's ears off... Lewis was older than Tyson -- but he beat the loud mouthed bully right into the canvas.. Lewis punched MIke right in his motor mouth practically through 8 rounds -- and leveled the relentless braggart for the count.

The slow and punchless Golota punched the crap out of Bowe.. Bowe had no defense.. Even Michael Grant was faster than Golota, and made him quit.

Lewis would have murdered the wide open Bowe... Bowe trashed his Championship Belt rather than get knocked cold by Lewis.. Bowe was so easy to hit that he avoided big, tall, great punchers.. Bowe would have done as poorly vs big, tall, great punchers as Joe Frazier---who didn't fight any other than Foreman... Frazier certainly didn't fight Ron Lyle, who had Foreman down twice and very nearly knocked him out. In contrast Frazier couldn't reach Foreman with anything.. Bowe, Tyson, and Frazier were all bully types - if you stood up to bullies like Lewis always did, they melted into the woodwork..

Saying Vitali was slow is like saying Lewis was SUPER slow.. Vitali easily beat Lewis to the punch and outscored him by a wide margin.. But Lewis easily out-sped Mike Tyson and outscored HIM by a wide margin.. So you just hate Eastern Europeans and will malign them in any event.

First of all, Eastern European boxers or people have not done anything to me.

Second, Vitali Klitschko IS NOT FAST ENOUGH to beat a beast like the great Mike Tyson. He couldn't beat an ill-prepared, running out of gas and wilting champion like Lennox Lewis. I imagine if a prime Tyson or just the Tyson before biting the great Evander Holyfield would have been on that ring. Lewis ain't beating Tyson that night. Lewis would have get A NASTY KNOCKOUT! I could even see it.

And even when Lewis beat that OLD VERSION AND WASHED UP TYSON didn't impressed me one bit. I knew that Tyson was gonna get his ass kicked that night. I just knew it. Tyson was not even close to his former self.

The Tyson of the 80s was a phenomenal fighting machine. Not too many boxers from the past and present would have beaten him.

Eastern Europeans don't have to do anything to you for you to hate them.. They live in an area of the world that's been at odds with America for a long time.. I'm sure they have an entirely different view of Americans than we do because of that.. The feeling is often mutual.. The hate directed against non-Americans, but specifically Eastern Europeans on his site is unbelievable, and they don't get a square deal over here.

Tyson wasn't that phenomenal.. That was proven by Buster Douglas who had several losses on his record including losing 3 previous fights by KO... As I said, It wasn't a fluke lucky punch like Rahman caught Lewis... Douglas thoroughly out-boxed Tyson and knocked him out.. That was a young, strong, prime Tyson and don't come with excuses.. Lewis and Holyfield were also older than Tyson, but both beat the crap out of Mike before stopping him.

Vitali was fast at eluding punches and fast at punching his opponents... His hands were very fast... Nobody ever outpointed him and he fought until he was 41.. I love the way you say Vitali IS not fast, using the present tense.. He's 45 so he wouldn't be that fast.. Prime Vitali was fast enough to KO fighters who beat Tyson and Holyfield.. He only lost 2 fights -- both due to injury -- fights that he was winning on all score cards at the conclusion. Your perception of his speed is biased nonsense.

YOU wouldn't be impressed by ANYTHING Vitali Klitschko did... YOU would be impressed by somebody like 42-1 underdog Buster Douglas who was knocked kicking by such speed demons as the lumbering Mike White---a slowpoke who couldn't get out of his own way and who Vitali Kitschko would flatten in the 1st round... Buster Douglas was also knocked out by Tony Tucke---a fighter so slow that he was easily beaten up and stopped by the speedy Herbie Hide... Vitali Kitschko knocked the speedy 31-1 Herbie HIde out in 2 rounds and with very little effort -- to win his first Heavyweight Championship... That made Vitali 25-0 at the time---with ALL wins coming by KO... However YOU weren't impressed.

[Kalan]

First of all, Eastern European boxers or people have not done anything to me.

Second, Vitali Klitschko IS NOT FAST ENOUGH to beat a beast like the great Mike Tyson. He couldn't beat an ill-prepared, running out of gas and wilting champion like Lennox Lewis. I imagine if a prime Tyson or just the Tyson before biting the great Evander Holyfield would have been on that ring. Lewis ain't beating Tyson that night. Lewis would have get A NASTY KNOCKOUT! I could even see it.

And even when Lewis beat that OLD VERSION AND WASHED UP TYSON didn't impressed me one bit. I knew that Tyson was gonna get his ass kicked that night. I just knew it. Tyson was not even close to his former self.

The Tyson of the 80s was a phenomenal fighting machine. Not too many boxers from the past and present would have beaten him.

Eastern Europeans don't have to do anything to you for you to hate them.. They live in an area of the world that's been at odds with America for a long time.. I'm sure they have an entirely different view of Americans than we do because of that.. The feeling is often mutual.. The hate directed against non-Americans, but specifically Eastern Europeans on his site is unbelievable, and they don't get a square deal over here.

Tyson wasn't that phenomenal.. That was proven by Buster Douglas who had several losses on his record including losing 3 previous fights by KO... As I said, It wasn't a fluke lucky punch like Rahman caught Lewis... Douglas thoroughly out-boxed Tyson and knocked him out.. That was a young, strong, prime Tyson and don't come with excuses.. Lewis and Holyfield were also older than Tyson, but both beat the crap out of Mike before stopping him.

Vitali was fast at eluding punches and fast at punching his opponents... His hands were very fast... Nobody ever outpointed him and he fought until he was 41.. I love the way you say Vitali IS not fast, using the present tense.. He's 45 so he wouldn't be that fast.. Prime Vitali was fast enough to KO fighters who beat Tyson and Holyfield.. He only lost 2 fights -- both due to injury -- fights that he was winning on all score cards at the conclusion. Your perception of his speed is biased nonsense.

Vitali Klitschko was TOO SLOW for a beast like Iron Mike. The guys that beat Tyson in his prime or close to it like Buster Douglas and the great Evander Holyfield were fighters that had SPEED. They were hitting Tyson first. Beating him to the punch. I don't see any indication of Vitali that would impress me. He didn't had that WOW FACTOR. He never did. I don't think he would have had the punching and strength to keep Iron Mike off from him. He couldn't stop a wilting, running out of gas and ill-prepared Lennox Lewis. If Tyson prime would have been the opponent against Lewis that night, Lewis better not be in that type of shape he was in then. We would have witnessed a NASTY KNOCKOUT! A NASTY ONE FOR THE AGES. Lennox would be on the floor grasping for air.

Tyson would have never lost to GOOFY GUYS like Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. I just can't see it. Even an ill-prepared Tyson destroys those two with ease. Lewis caught Tyson at the end of Tyson's time to go. It was time. Put them both in the 80s or early 90s pre jail Tyson and he finds Lewis' chin. Lewis was not the type of boxer that beats someone like Tyson. He wasn't nothing special. Nothing to be awed about. Nothing for at least for me that I gotta see him fight. Tyson was.

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Lewis was awesome... He crushed prime Ruddock, Grant, and Golota in 1 or 2 rounds each... beat Morrison silly... outslugged Ray Mercer... and boxed David Tua's ears off... Lewis was older than Tyson -- but he beat the loud mouthed bully right into the canvas.. Lewis punched MIke right in his motor mouth practically through 8 rounds -- and leveled the relentless braggart for the count.

The slow and punchless Golota punched the crap out of Bowe.. Bowe had no defense.. Even Michael Grant was faster than Golota, and made him quit.

Lewis would have murdered the wide open Bowe... Bowe trashed his Championship Belt rather than get knocked cold by Lewis.. Bowe was so easy to hit that he avoided big, tall, great punchers.. Bowe would have done as poorly vs big, tall, great punchers as Joe Frazier---who didn't fight any other than Foreman... Frazier certainly didn't fight Ron Lyle, who had Foreman down twice and very nearly knocked him out. In contrast Frazier couldn't reach Foreman with anything.. Bowe, Tyson, and Frazier were all bully types - if you stood up to bullies like Lewis always did, they melted into the woodwork..

Saying Vitali was slow is like saying Lewis was SUPER slow.. Vitali easily beat Lewis to the punch and outscored him by a wide margin.. But Lewis easily out-sped Mike Tyson and outscored HIM by a wide margin.. So you just hate Eastern Europeans and will malign them in any event.

First of all, Eastern European boxers or people have not done anything to me.

Second, Vitali Klitschko IS NOT FAST ENOUGH to beat a beast like the great Mike Tyson. He couldn't beat an ill-prepared, running out of gas and wilting champion like Lennox Lewis. I imagine if a prime Tyson or just the Tyson before biting the great Evander Holyfield would have been on that ring. Lewis ain't beating Tyson that night. Lewis would have get A NASTY KNOCKOUT! I could even see it.

And even when Lewis beat that OLD VERSION AND WASHED UP TYSON didn't impressed me one bit. I knew that Tyson was gonna get his ass kicked that night. I just knew it. Tyson was not even close to his former self.

The Tyson of the 80s was a phenomenal fighting machine. Not too many boxers from the past and present would have beaten him.

Eastern Europeans don't have to do anything to you for you to hate them.. They live in an area of the world that's been at odds with America for a long time.. I'm sure they have an entirely different view of Americans than we do because of that.. The feeling is often mutual.. The hate directed against non-Americans, but specifically Eastern Europeans on his site is unbelievable, and they don't get a square deal over here.

Tyson wasn't that phenomenal.. That was proven by Buster Douglas who had several losses on his record including losing 3 previous fights by KO... As I said, It wasn't a fluke lucky punch like Rahman caught Lewis... Douglas thoroughly out-boxed Tyson and knocked him out.. That was a young, strong, prime Tyson and don't come with excuses.. Lewis and Holyfield were also older than Tyson, but both beat the crap out of Mike before stopping him.

Vitali was fast at eluding punches and fast at punching his opponents... His hands were very fast... Nobody ever outpointed him and he fought until he was 41.. I love the way you say Vitali IS not fast, using the present tense.. He's 45 so he wouldn't be that fast.. Prime Vitali was fast enough to KO fighters who beat Tyson and Holyfield.. He only lost 2 fights -- both due to injury -- fights that he was winning on all score cards at the conclusion. Your perception of his speed is biased nonsense.

YOU wouldn't be impressed by ANYTHING Vitali Klitschko did... YOU would be impressed by somebody like 42-1 underdog Buster Douglas who was knocked kicking by such speed demons as the lumbering Mike White---a slowpoke who couldn't get out of his own way and who Vitali Kitschko would flatten in the 1st round... Buster Douglas was also knocked out by Tony Tucke---a fighter so slow that he was easily beaten up and stopped by the speedy Herbie Hide... Vitali Kitschko knocked the speedy 31-1 Herbie HIde out in 2 rounds and with very little effort -- to win his first Heavyweight Championship... That made Vitali 25-0 at the time---with ALL wins coming by KO... However YOU weren't impressed.

[Kalan]

I'm try to respond to this quote from elmersalsa..."Vitali Klitschko was TOO SLOW for a beast like Iron Mike. The guys that beat Tyson in his prime or close to it like Buster Douglas and the great Evander Holyfield were fighters that had SPEED. They were hitting Tyson first. Beating him to the punch. I don't see any indication of Vitali that would impress me. He didn't had that WOW FACTOR. He never did. I don't think he would have had the punching and strength to keep Iron Mike off from him. He couldn't stop a wilting, running out of gas and ill-prepared Lennox Lewis. If Tyson prime would have been the opponent against Lewis that night, Lewis better not be in that type of shape he was in then. We would have witnessed a NASTY KNOCKOUT! A NASTY ONE FOR THE AGES. Lennox would be on the floor grasping for air.

Tyson would have never lost to GOOFY GUYS like Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. I just can't see it. Even an ill-prepared Tyson destroys those two with ease. Lewis caught Tyson at the end of Tyson's time to go. It was time. Put them both in the 80s or early 90s pre jail Tyson and he finds Lewis' chin. Lewis was not the type of boxer that beats someone like Tyson. He wasn't nothing special. Nothing to be awed about. Nothing for at least for me that I gotta see him fight. Tyson was."

YOU wouldn't be impressed by ANYTHING Vitali Klitschko did... YOU would be impressed by somebody like 42-1 underdog Buster Douglas who was knocked kicking by such speed demons as the lumbering Mike White---a slowpoke who couldn't get out of his own way and who Vitali Kitschko would flatten in the 1st round... Buster Douglas was also knocked out by Tony Tucke---a fighter so slow that he was easily beaten up and stopped by the speedy Herbie Hide... Vitali Kitschko knocked the speedy 31-1 Herbie HIde out in 2 rounds and with very little effort -- to win his first Heavyweight Championship... That made Vitali 25-0 at the time---with ALL wins coming by KO... However YOU weren't impressed.

You call Oliver McCall a "GOOFY GUY" and he's never been knocked down in his life and scored devastating KO's over Lennox Lewis and Henry Akinwande -- 2 Heavyweight Champions of huge size and strength.. Mike Tyson LOST BY KO to Lewis and to 2 other Heavyweight Champions who were all older than him.. Mike didn't seem particularly speedy in those fights -- especially at evading punches... He got caught with everything... Vitali Klitschko hardly ever got hit with a telling blow and he was never knocked down.. His defense was stellar.

[Kalan]

One of the aforementioned dummies being you. I would rather take the word of Lewis himself than some clown who
" thinks " he knows the inner thoughts of a fighter. LL made no secret of the fact he was under pressure from both of the Violets in his life to retire. He staved off that pressure by claiming his legacy wouldn't be fully intact until he had beaten Tyson. That fight was so easy despite the best efforts of Eddie Cotton, that of course Lewis could have convinced the ladies involved that a rematch with the New Yorker would be even more money for old rope.

That was the fight he was angling for. He obviously believed that Vitali was worth little more effort than Kirk Johnson in training camp and turned up over weight and not in top condition. He still won, and luck had less than ferk all to do with it. He persistently punched Vitali's dial causing it to need 60 stitches. It was a sloppy performance by his standards so it is far from rocket science to understand that both his mother and his wife had enough influence to persuade him the effort required to get in top shape for the new kids on the block didn't appear to be forthcoming.

All that bollox from you about him rushing into retirement, is merely that. Bollox. The man simply listened to the two people HE considers to be important as opposed to agenda driven morons on internet sites, or magazines.

- Goldie oldie growing greenish gray moldy as he sticks up his thumb to pull out a plum to declare, "What a good boy am I."


Lewis had two separate training camps. He was interviewed the week before the Vitali fight feeling the arrogance of those camps by beating on his chest about 5 fights before retirement. The Link is buried on my virus destroyed computer and likely dead anyway, but here is a link from March 2003 AFTER he flew Manny over for a 2 week prefight evaluation camp bolstered with a light workout plan in advance of his regular camp. He had 3 ambitious fights planned then, Vitali, the Tyson rematch, and then Wlad that would have taken him to into 2004. I also included the Byrd duck recompense by King. Lewis rearranged the whole order to ultimately quit it, retiring in a whimper days before the WBC were to strip him for not rematching Vitali after agreeing to. Vitali is the one who became WBC Emeritus and Eternal Champ, not Lewis.

The Violets talked him out of fighting on AFTER Vitali beat the bricks out of him, not before. Yup, the dimmest of my dum is all I need to trump your smarmy cleverness disguising the absence of a single original thought in your vacuous venal life. Do at least try to follow the timeline and your worm won't be so nakedly exposed.

So, how many highest career weights did Lewis log and what were the results?

Easy answer is debut at 231 followed by 233, 234 in a row 1989, then 235 in 1993, 238 in 1994, 248 in 1995, 251 in 1997, 253 in 2001, 256 in 2003. His record for those fights is 7-2, the two losses being early one punch KOs by Grade B heavies where he otherwise took no punishment and had scarcely worked up a sweat they were so breezy, so any excessive weight or lack of training played no factor. He got careless. It happens just like you and your ilk do.

Now I personally found Lewis to be far more agreeable than I did 2.0 and 3.0 versions of Tyson, Field, or big Dummy, but he was also outboxed a couple more times by inferiors and lucky with decisions and had to pull out all his dirty tricks to beat Vitali once his eye opened up. And I could care less about all your little hissy@handbagsnitfits you excel in. I'm only log on here to access the overall content of boxrec or to provide more accurate context than your self inflated bowels could ever heave forth, so bug off. You're the very definition of a pest scarcely worth a squirt of bug spray or even a slimy splattering.

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/mar/15 ... p-boxcol15

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/ ... ng.comment

The first couple of lines of your verbal diarrhoea were more than enough to establish you obviously regret not being made of chocolate, thus denying you the opportunity to lick yourself to death.

So I went to one of your links, which in your warped sense of perspective you claim " proves " Lewis went running off into retirement. What it actually says is Tyson was trying everything he could think of to avoid rematching Lewis ( hence Lewis suing King in MAY 2003 ) Vladimir having been put to sleep by a relative journeyman ( Sanders ) couldn't draw flies to the proverbial shite, and we all know he did fight Vitali, and as stated his performance, fitness, and conditioning levels were there for all to see. This is why he took the advice of the women in his life, and walked away from the ring. You can try your best to besmirch the guy all you like, it is about as important as you are. Irrelevant.

Lewis besmirched himself by telling everybody he was going to rematch Vitali Klitschko -- and then slinking off like a coward.

[Give up]

- Goldie oldie growing greenish gray moldy as he sticks up his thumb to pull out a plum to declare, "What a good boy am I."


Lewis had two separate training camps. He was interviewed the week before the Vitali fight feeling the arrogance of those camps by beating on his chest about 5 fights before retirement. The Link is buried on my virus destroyed computer and likely dead anyway, but here is a link from March 2003 AFTER he flew Manny over for a 2 week prefight evaluation camp bolstered with a light workout plan in advance of his regular camp. He had 3 ambitious fights planned then, Vitali, the Tyson rematch, and then Wlad that would have taken him to into 2004. I also included the Byrd duck recompense by King. Lewis rearranged the whole order to ultimately quit it, retiring in a whimper days before the WBC were to strip him for not rematching Vitali after agreeing to. Vitali is the one who became WBC Emeritus and Eternal Champ, not Lewis.

The Violets talked him out of fighting on AFTER Vitali beat the bricks out of him, not before. Yup, the dimmest of my dum is all I need to trump your smarmy cleverness disguising the absence of a single original thought in your vacuous venal life. Do at least try to follow the timeline and your worm won't be so nakedly exposed.

So, how many highest career weights did Lewis log and what were the results?

Easy answer is debut at 231 followed by 233, 234 in a row 1989, then 235 in 1993, 238 in 1994, 248 in 1995, 251 in 1997, 253 in 2001, 256 in 2003. His record for those fights is 7-2, the two losses being early one punch KOs by Grade B heavies where he otherwise took no punishment and had scarcely worked up a sweat they were so breezy, so any excessive weight or lack of training played no factor. He got careless. It happens just like you and your ilk do.

Now I personally found Lewis to be far more agreeable than I did 2.0 and 3.0 versions of Tyson, Field, or big Dummy, but he was also outboxed a couple more times by inferiors and lucky with decisions and had to pull out all his dirty tricks to beat Vitali once his eye opened up. And I could care less about all your little hissy@handbagsnitfits you excel in. I'm only log on here to access the overall content of boxrec or to provide more accurate context than your self inflated bowels could ever heave forth, so bug off. You're the very definition of a pest scarcely worth a squirt of bug spray or even a slimy splattering.

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/mar/15 ... p-boxcol15

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/ ... ng.comment

The first couple of lines of your verbal diarrhoea were more than enough to establish you obviously regret not being made of chocolate, thus denying you the opportunity to lick yourself to death.

So I went to one of your links, which in your warped sense of perspective you claim " proves " Lewis went running off into retirement. What it actually says is Tyson was trying everything he could think of to avoid rematching Lewis ( hence Lewis suing King in MAY 2003 ) Vladimir having been put to sleep by a relative journeyman ( Sanders ) couldn't draw flies to the proverbial shite, and we all know he did fight Vitali, and as stated his performance, fitness, and conditioning levels were there for all to see. This is why he took the advice of the women in his life, and walked away from the ring. You can try your best to besmirch the guy all you like, it is about as important as you are. Irrelevant.

Lewis besmirched himself by telling everybody he was going to rematch Vitali Klitschko -- and then slinking off like a coward.

[elmersalsa]

I'm try to respond to this quote from elmersalsa..."Vitali Klitschko was TOO SLOW for a beast like Iron Mike. The guys that beat Tyson in his prime or close to it like Buster Douglas and the great Evander Holyfield were fighters that had SPEED. They were hitting Tyson first. Beating him to the punch. I don't see any indication of Vitali that would impress me. He didn't had that WOW FACTOR. He never did. I don't think he would have had the punching and strength to keep Iron Mike off from him. He couldn't stop a wilting, running out of gas and ill-prepared Lennox Lewis. If Tyson prime would have been the opponent against Lewis that night, Lewis better not be in that type of shape he was in then. We would have witnessed a NASTY KNOCKOUT! A NASTY ONE FOR THE AGES. Lennox would be on the floor grasping for air.

Tyson would have never lost to GOOFY GUYS like Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. I just can't see it. Even an ill-prepared Tyson destroys those two with ease. Lewis caught Tyson at the end of Tyson's time to go. It was time. Put them both in the 80s or early 90s pre jail Tyson and he finds Lewis' chin. Lewis was not the type of boxer that beats someone like Tyson. He wasn't nothing special. Nothing to be awed about. Nothing for at least for me that I gotta see him fight. Tyson was."

YOU wouldn't be impressed by ANYTHING Vitali Klitschko did... YOU would be impressed by somebody like 42-1 underdog Buster Douglas who was knocked kicking by such speed demons as the lumbering Mike White---a slowpoke who couldn't get out of his own way and who Vitali Kitschko would flatten in the 1st round... Buster Douglas was also knocked out by Tony Tucke---a fighter so slow that he was easily beaten up and stopped by the speedy Herbie Hide... Vitali Kitschko knocked the speedy 31-1 Herbie HIde out in 2 rounds and with very little effort -- to win his first Heavyweight Championship... That made Vitali 25-0 at the time---with ALL wins coming by KO... However YOU weren't impressed.

You call Oliver McCall a "GOOFY GUY" and he's never been knocked down in his life and scored devastating KO's over Lennox Lewis and Henry Akinwande -- 2 Heavyweight Champions of huge size and strength.. Mike Tyson LOST BY KO to Lewis and to 2 other Heavyweight Champions who were all older than him.. Mike didn't seem particularly speedy in those fights -- especially at evading punches... He got caught with everything... Vitali Klitschko hardly ever got hit with a telling blow and he was never knocked down.. His defense was stellar.

Put all those Vitali's opponents, I mean victims, and they would have all fall on the canvas with Iron Mike. You're talking about Vitali went 25-0 with 25KOs? Tyson did somewhat did the same thing. He scored 17 straight KOs I believe, from beginning of career. He had 21 KO victims in the first round. How about that?

Buster Douglas was a good and very talented boxer. HIS PROBLEM WAS MOTIVATION AND TO GET UP FOR FIGHTS. On the night he beat Iron Mike, he was TERRIFIC! Not too many heavyweights would have beaten him that night. I always believed if he would have come the same way against the great Evander Holyfield, history would have had a different scenario. Buster had all THE GREAT ATTRIBUTES OF A BIG HEAVYWEIGHT. He was tall, strong on the inside, had a fast jab that night, and also a terrific right hand lead. Vitali has never fought nothing like Douglas. Tell me a fighter, Kalan? Tell me a fighter? I see NONE! And I am waiting for your response.

And you want to bring Herbie Hide? What has Hide done?.....Nothing!

Buster lost to Tony Tucker. A very good fighter in the 80s. And guess who was winning the fight, Kalan? Buster Douglas! He just got tired. Like I said before. Douglas PROBLEM WAS MOTIVATION. Once he got motivation, he showed that he could have beaten any great heavyweight champion from the past.

Oliver McCall was one of the GOOFIEST fighters ever, for crying out loud. Tyson in Tokyo of the Douglas fight DOES NOT LOSE TO THAT BUM! He somehow found Lennox Lewis' chin. In no way and circumstance I see Tyson losing to Lewis if he is mentally and physically prepared. No way!

[elmersalsa]

All the fighters that beat the great Mike Tyson in his prime or close to it, had these in common:
1. Had a fast jab
2. Speed
3. Were not afraid
4. Beat Tyson to the punch
5. Threw punches to hurt Iron Mike
6. Were stronger inside.

Vitali Klitschko didn't have none of those traits. As a matter of fact, he was SLOW AS fornicate.

Lennox Lewis was not fast enough to beat a prime Tyson. He was overhyped. He came at the RIGHT TIME. The night he beat Tyson, Tyson did not had nothing left. Nothing to show. He was SIMPLY WASHED UP way before the year 1998. Or may I say, 1997.

[Kalan]

Vitali Klitschko didn't have none of those traits

That's the only true statement you made... Vitali didn't have none of them traits -- he had ALL of them...

You see, Vitali Klitschko easily punched out Danny Williams, Larry Donald, Corrie Sanders, Herbie Hide, and Sam Peter -- Those particular punched out opponents of Vitali beat Heavyweight Champions: Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Tony Tucker, and Oleg Maskaev... In contrast to those 5 Heavyweight Champions who got beaten up by his opponents -- Vitali beat those guys like falling off a log -- cleaned they up and knocked them out.

All you can say is "Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast..." ... Yeah, so fast he got his ass beaten up, battered, and knocked out repeatedly.

[BoxBuzz]

Vitali Klitschko didn't have none of those traits

That's the only true statement you made... Vitali didn't have none of them traits -- he had ALL of them...

You see, Vitali Klitschko easily punched out Danny Williams, Larry Donald, Corrie Sanders, Herbie Hide, and Sam Peter -- Those particular punched out opponents of Vitali beat Heavyweight Champions: Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Tony Tucker, and Oleg Maskaev... In contrast to those 5 Heavyweight Champions who got beaten up by his opponents -- Vitali beat those guys like falling off a log -- cleaned they up and knocked them out.

All you can say is "Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast..." ... Yeah, so fast he got his ass beaten up, battered, and knocked out repeatedly.

No Tyson fan am I. AND he did have a pretty good go of it until he ran into Buster Douglas.....Or am I missing something?

Cus....the guy who liked Wilt's chances, thought pretty highly of him.....in case you didn't get the memo.

Sounds like you are saying that Mike lost to Buster because Buster was the best he had fought up until that moment. Is this what you think?

So none of the craziness had any affect on him? He just ran into the better fighter for the first time?

Lifestyle, Cus's demise, losing his trainer, living la vida loca.....none of those were an issue?

A person is simply the "tale of the tape" height, weight, all measurable things...... ?

Degree of focus, lack of same, emotional state, desire, lack of same, foolishly going off of the routines that got you there, or dismissing the folks that got you there.....none of that really relevant?

So YOU were a trainer....when did you finally realize that YOU don't matter when it comes the various boxers you "coached"? Were you just running around them with a tape measure, having them get on a scale, using a stop watch....writing it all down....and then letting them know whether their next fight was a "W" or an "L" based on that alone? Sounds like that's how you might operate.

I hear ya knockin', but you just don't come in.

Kind a like a bad FM station.

[elmersalsa]

Vitali Klitschko didn't have none of those traits

That's the only true statement you made... Vitali didn't have none of them traits -- he had ALL of them...

You see, Vitali Klitschko easily punched out Danny Williams, Larry Donald, Corrie Sanders, Herbie Hide, and Sam Peter -- Those particular punched out opponents of Vitali beat Heavyweight Champions: Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Tony Tucker, and Oleg Maskaev... In contrast to those 5 Heavyweight Champions who got beaten up by his opponents -- Vitali beat those guys like falling off a log -- cleaned they up and knocked them out.

All you can say is "Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast..." ... Yeah, so fast he got his ass beaten up, battered, and knocked out repeatedly.

You put examples that don't have nothing to do with the subject. Vitali Klitschko NEVER GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION OR IMAGINATION that he was a great boxer. He was the best of the worst era maybe of heavyweights. He couldn't beat an ill -prepared, running out of gas champion in Lennox Lewis. A TRUE CHAMPION beats the crap out of Lewis that night.

Secondly, you put guys like Danny Williams, Larry Donald and Herbie Hide like if they beat some prime Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson? Donald was smacked around in press conference by a washed up Riddick Bowe. How about that? Bowe made Donald his bitch. Hide? I don't even know where to begin with this guy.

Third, a guy in his prime loses. Worse more when his best days are behind him. So, a Larry Donald beats a Holyfield in his final days also beats him in his prime? That's the best thing you can come up with?

Vitali Klitschko doesn't have anything to indicate me that he was a great boxer. Neither Lennox Lewis. THEY WERE TOO SLOW TO BEGIN WITH.

[elmersalsa]

Put all those Vitali's opponents, I mean victims, and they would have all fall on the canvas with Iron Mike. You're talking about Vitali went 25-0 with 25KOs? Tyson did somewhat did the same thing. He scored 17 straight KOs I believe, from beginning of career. He had 21 KO victims in the first round. How about that?

Buster Douglas was a good and very talented boxer. HIS PROBLEM WAS MOTIVATION AND TO GET UP FOR FIGHTS. On the night he beat Iron Mike, he was TERRIFIC! Not too many heavyweights would have beaten him that night. I always believed if he would have come the same way against the great Evander Holyfield, history would have had a different scenario. Buster had all THE GREAT ATTRIBUTES OF A BIG HEAVYWEIGHT. He was tall, strong on the inside, had a fast jab that night, and also a terrific right hand lead. Vitali has never fought nothing like Douglas. Tell me a fighter, Kalan? Tell me a fighter? I see NONE! And I am waiting for your response.

And you want to bring Herbie Hide? What has Hide done?.....Nothing!

Buster lost to Tony Tucker. A very good fighter in the 80s. And guess who was winning the fight, Kalan? Buster Douglas! He just got tired. Like I said before. Douglas PROBLEM WAS MOTIVATION. Once he got motivation, he showed that he could have beaten any great heavyweight champion from the past.

Oliver McCall was one of the GOOFIEST fighters ever, for crying out loud. Tyson in Tokyo of the Douglas fight DOES NOT LOSE TO THAT BUM! He somehow found Lennox Lewis' chin. In no way and circumstance I see Tyson losing to Lewis if he is mentally and physically prepared. No way!

The lies and / or fairy tales spread by Tyson fans are merely that. They simply can't handle the facts which are

1. Tyson trained EXACTLY the same way for Douglas as he had for the Spinks, Bruno, and Williams fights.

2. This was due to the belief Buster was just another bum he could walk across the ring, hit on the chin and it would all be over, because that is ALL he was used to fighting.

3.And most importantly, his excuse mongers can never accept the exposure by Douglas of their mythical hero. Buster showed the cretin up for what he really was. A one trick pony. Douglas didn't enter the ring a guy who was already scared witless, and he certainly wasn't a former junkie, or alcoholic, neither was he B level like Berbick.

He used Tyson to show the world what a big guy with a good jab, decent power, and accuracy plus the willingness to fight, does to hype jobs.

In my view, Buster Douglas won fair and square. He would have beaten any great heavyweight that night. I don't take nothing away from him. It just he couldn't get up at 5am to do roadwork. Tyson was not the same fighter after that. Would a well prepared Tyson loses to Douglas that night. Yes, he would have. Could Iron Mike win? Yes, he could have.

But, Vitali Klitschko hasn't gave us a performance like Buster. He HAD THE CHANCE TO BEAT a grasping for air and wilting champion and he didn't capitalized. Put the Douglas in Tokyo and Lennox Lewis would have received A NASTY KO THAT NIGHT of the Vitali fight. A NASTY KO!

[bollocks]

I can't believe some here reckon Klitschko would have KO'd Tyson in his prime

[Kalan]

Vitali Klitschko didn't have none of those traits

That's the only true statement you made... Vitali didn't have none of them traits -- he had ALL of them...

You see, Vitali Klitschko easily punched out Danny Williams, Larry Donald, Corrie Sanders, Herbie Hide, and Sam Peter -- Those particular punched out opponents of Vitali beat Heavyweight Champions: Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Tony Tucker, and Oleg Maskaev... In contrast to those 5 Heavyweight Champions who got beaten up by his opponents -- Vitali beat those guys like falling off a log -- cleaned they up and knocked them out.

All you can say is "Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast..." ... Yeah, so fast he got his ass beaten up, battered, and knocked out repeatedly.

You put examples that don't have nothing to do with the subject. Vitali Klitschko NEVER GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION OR IMAGINATION that he was a great boxer. He was the best of the worst era maybe of heavyweights. He couldn't beat an ill -prepared, running out of gas champion in Lennox Lewis. A TRUE CHAMPION beats the crap out of Lewis that night.

Secondly, you put guys like Danny Williams, Larry Donald and Herbie Hide like if they beat some prime Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson? Donald was smacked around in press conference by a washed up Riddick Bowe. How about that? Bowe made Donald his bitch. Hide? I don't even know where to begin with this guy.

Third, a guy in his prime loses. Worse more when his best days are behind him. So, a Larry Donald beats a Holyfield in his final days also beats him in his prime? That's the best thing you can come up with?

Vitali Klitschko doesn't have anything to indicate me that he was a great boxer. Neither Lennox Lewis. THEY WERE TOO SLOW TO BEGIN WITH.

They were both MUCH faster than the slogging Mike Tyson -- Smith, Tucker, Douglas, and Ruddock fights -- Mike's ass was dragging on the floor... Lewis only looked slow in comparison to Vitali Klitschko, when he was easily outpunched by a wide margin by the quicker fisted Klitschko.. But Lewis outpunched the younger Mike Tyson by a million miles and won every round by a million miles before knocking Tyson FLAT OUT!!!

Tyson even paid Lewis millions in step aside fees because he wanted to wait as long as possible to fight him... He ducked Lewis for many years.

Bowe only beat Larry Donald by decision... He didn't have the skill or power to knock Donald out -- and Vitali Klitschko is the only Heavyweight in history to stop Donald, a guy who boxed the ears off of Holyfield.. So again -- all you can do is give your badly mistaken impression of who was fast and slow... and if you're right, the slow guys beat up the fast guys.. NOBODY was slower than Mike White and he knocked out China chinned Buster Douglas.. Mike Tyson looked really bad and slow and was badly beaten up and stopped by Douglas when Mike was in his prime..

[Kalan]

Vitali Klitschko didn't have none of those traits

That's the only true statement you made... Vitali didn't have none of them traits -- he had ALL of them...

You see, Vitali Klitschko easily punched out Danny Williams, Larry Donald, Corrie Sanders, Herbie Hide, and Sam Peter -- Those particular punched out opponents of Vitali beat Heavyweight Champions: Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Tony Tucker, and Oleg Maskaev... In contrast to those 5 Heavyweight Champions who got beaten up by his opponents -- Vitali beat those guys like falling off a log -- cleaned they up and knocked them out.

All you can say is "Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast..." ... Yeah, so fast he got his ass beaten up, battered, and knocked out repeatedly.

No Tyson fan am I. AND he did have a pretty good go of it until he ran into Buster Douglas.....Or am I missing something?

Cus....the guy who liked Wilt's chances, thought pretty highly of him.....in case you didn't get the memo.

Sounds like you are saying that Mike lost to Buster because Buster was the best he had fought up until that moment. Is this what you think?

So none of the craziness had any affect on him? He just ran into the better fighter for the first time?

Lifestyle, Cus's demise, losing his trainer, living la vida loca.....none of those were an issue?

A person is simply the "tale of the tape" height, weight, all measurable things...... ?

Degree of focus, lack of same, emotional state, desire, lack of same, foolishly going off of the routines that got you there, or dismissing the folks that got you there.....none of that really relevant?

So YOU were a trainer....when did you finally realize that YOU don't matter when it comes the various boxers you "coached"? Were you just running around them with a tape measure, having them get on a scale, using a stop watch....writing it all down....and then letting them know whether their next fight was a "W" or an "L" based on that alone? Sounds like that's how you might operate.

I hear ya knockin', but you just don't come in.

Kind a like a bad FM station.

You don't want to hear... You want to blame the world for Tyson's defeats and not Tyson... Mike had everything dropped in his lap and every advantage in the world at a super young age... Let me ask you, who's a better fighter, one who is MORE disciplined, or one who is LESS disciplined??? Who is ultimately responsible for a boxer's emotional state??? La vida loca style living??? Getting the best people and trainers around him??? Ultimately it's the boxer himself... I didn't run around with a tape measure.. I evaluated a boxer's skills, strengths, and weaknesses and guided him in what would help him and the skills he needed to work on.. Some guys were anxious to learn and some weren't.. It's not a decision you make for anyone.

[elmersalsa]

The lies and / or fairy tales spread by Tyson fans are merely that. They simply can't handle the facts which are

1. Tyson trained EXACTLY the same way for Douglas as he had for the Spinks, Bruno, and Williams fights.

2. This was due to the belief Buster was just another bum he could walk across the ring, hit on the chin and it would all be over, because that is ALL he was used to fighting.

3.And most importantly, his excuse mongers can never accept the exposure by Douglas of their mythical hero. Buster showed the cretin up for what he really was. A one trick pony. Douglas didn't enter the ring a guy who was already scared witless, and he certainly wasn't a former junkie, or alcoholic, neither was he B level like Berbick.

He used Tyson to show the world what a big guy with a good jab, decent power, and accuracy plus the willingness to fight, does to hype jobs.

In my view, Buster Douglas won fair and square. He would have beaten any great heavyweight that night. I don't take nothing away from him. It just he couldn't get up at 5am to do roadwork. Tyson was not the same fighter after that. Would a well prepared Tyson loses to Douglas that night. Yes, he would have. Could Iron Mike win? Yes, he could have.

But, Vitali Klitschko hasn't gave us a performance like Buster. He HAD THE CHANCE TO BEAT a grasping for air and wilting champion and he didn't capitalized. Put the Douglas in Tokyo and Lennox Lewis would have received A NASTY KO THAT NIGHT of the Vitali fight. A NASTY KO!

Of course the version of Lewis that fought Vitali in 2003 would have lost to Buster that night. My point is it could have been a prime Lewis, a prime Vitali, or even a relatively green Holyfield in Tokyo that night and they would ALL have battered Tyson, because NONE of them would have been afraid of him, and ALL would have wanted to FIGHT the guy, not just survive or collapse like a house of cards as soon as Tyson got near them.

It is simply a matter of Douglas being the first in the queue, the right place at the right time.

Not Vitali nor Lewis. But, the rest like The Real Deal and Buster? Yes! They would have won and vice versa. A solid shot by Iron Mike and you're gone!

[elmersalsa]

That's the only true statement you made... Vitali didn't have none of them traits -- he had ALL of them...

You see, Vitali Klitschko easily punched out Danny Williams, Larry Donald, Corrie Sanders, Herbie Hide, and Sam Peter -- Those particular punched out opponents of Vitali beat Heavyweight Champions: Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Tony Tucker, and Oleg Maskaev... In contrast to those 5 Heavyweight Champions who got beaten up by his opponents -- Vitali beat those guys like falling off a log -- cleaned they up and knocked them out.

All you can say is "Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast... Tyson was fast..." ... Yeah, so fast he got his ass beaten up, battered, and knocked out repeatedly.

You put examples that don't have nothing to do with the subject. Vitali Klitschko NEVER GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION OR IMAGINATION that he was a great boxer. He was the best of the worst era maybe of heavyweights. He couldn't beat an ill -prepared, running out of gas champion in Lennox Lewis. A TRUE CHAMPION beats the crap out of Lewis that night.

Secondly, you put guys like Danny Williams, Larry Donald and Herbie Hide like if they beat some prime Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson? Donald was smacked around in press conference by a washed up Riddick Bowe. How about that? Bowe made Donald his bitch. Hide? I don't even know where to begin with this guy.

Third, a guy in his prime loses. Worse more when his best days are behind him. So, a Larry Donald beats a Holyfield in his final days also beats him in his prime? That's the best thing you can come up with?

Vitali Klitschko doesn't have anything to indicate me that he was a great boxer. Neither Lennox Lewis. THEY WERE TOO SLOW TO BEGIN WITH.

They were both MUCH faster than the slogging Mike Tyson -- Smith, Tucker, Douglas, and Ruddock fights -- Mike's ass was dragging on the floor... Lewis only looked slow in comparison to Vitali Klitschko, when he was easily outpunched by a wide margin by the quicker fisted Klitschko.. But Lewis outpunched the younger Mike Tyson by a million miles and won every round by a million miles before knocking Tyson FLAT OUT!!!

Tyson even paid Lewis millions in step aside fees because he wanted to wait as long as possible to fight him... He ducked Lewis for many years.

Bowe only beat Larry Donald by decision... He didn't have the skill or power to knock Donald out -- and Vitali Klitschko is the only Heavyweight in history to stop Donald, a guy who boxed the ears off of Holyfield.. So again -- all you can do is give your badly mistaken impression of who was fast and slow... and if you're right, the slow guys beat up the fast guys.. NOBODY was slower than Mike White and he knocked out China chinned Buster Douglas.. Mike Tyson looked really bad and slow and was badly beaten up and stopped by Douglas when Mike was in his prime..

Tyson was WASHED UP with Lewis, Kalan. He didn't had nothing left. The tank was running out.

Tyson was a fighter. He wasn't scared of Lewis. I don't believe that one bit. Giving someone millions to step aside doesn't mean that the guy was ducking him.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas because Douglas had the SPEED. Something that Vitali LACKED. HE WAS TOO SLOW! The only thing Vitali had over Iron Mike was height and reach. That's it! The rest of the comparison is all Mike Tyson's!

[Kalan]

I don't know why anyone shows that image of Corrie Sanders... In his next fight Sanders was smashed by Vitali Klitschko.

Vitali at his best was the Sam Peter fight... Vitali hadn't fought in 4 years so you'd think he was rusty as Hell...but unlike his brother, Vitali was a natural fighter. That's why Ray Leonard was able to take 3 years off and beat Hagler. Everything he did was natural and instinctive. Vitali rehabbed his legs for 4 years and said they felt better than they felt in 15 years.. Peter didn't lay a decent punch on him and VK destroyed the man.

Vitali had a 3-point round going in the 2nd round versus the 31-1 Herbie Hide when he knocked Hide out with a right hand... In fact he was leading on points at the finish of every fight in his career -- and the only retired Heavyweight Champion you can say that about.. Add to that he was never knocked down and the only avenue for criticism is disparaging his opponents and his athleticism -- which is how Vitali haters roll. He beat 6 World Champions and 5 undefeated Heavyweight Contenders.. The only fights he lost were due to injury, not be out-boxed.

Tyson was very hittable and got the trash knocked out of him by Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis -- before each of them knocked him out. They were all older than Tyson... One of the reasons they were so confident is Mike walked straight in, squared up, and was wide open for jabs and straight rights.

[elmersalsa]

Of course the version of Lewis that fought Vitali in 2003 would have lost to Buster that night. My point is it could have been a prime Lewis, a prime Vitali, or even a relatively green Holyfield in Tokyo that night and they would ALL have battered Tyson, because NONE of them would have been afraid of him, and ALL would have wanted to FIGHT the guy, not just survive or collapse like a house of cards as soon as Tyson got near them.

It is simply a matter of Douglas being the first in the queue, the right place at the right time.

Not Vitali nor Lewis. But, the rest like The Real Deal and Buster? Yes! They would have won and vice versa. A solid shot by Iron Mike and you're gone!

Sorry sunshine, but one good hard, fast, accurate jab from Lewis, and the bully boy looks for somewhere to hide. There was NEVER a version of Mike Tyson, or 10 generations he ever came from that would ever have been capable to standing up to Lennox's mother, never mind him.

It is called mental strength. Lewis had it, and Tyson once read about it.

Seriously, ANY fighter who wasn't OLD, a Junkie, an Alcoholic, or B Level, and was willing to fight, could have walked into that ring in Tokyo that night and battered fuk out of Tyson. He was just a stumpy little guy with an " aura " of fear about him. BUSTER DIDN'T READ THE SCRIPT. IT IS AS EASY AS THAT.

You got it wrong, brother. Lennox Lewis wasn't fast enough. His jab was lazy. He had the height. He had the reach. He had the weight. He had the so called "belief" that he would have beaten Iron Mike. But that's it. To beat the great Mike Tyson, you gotta have these 3 things at least:
1. Be not afraid
2. SPEED
3. Beat Tyson to the punch and hurt him.

The PROBLEM with Lewis was, that he had #1. Not #2 nor #3.

Buster Douglas had all those 3 factors against Iron Mike.
The great Evander Holyfield did the same.
Lewis lacked 2 out of 3.

[elmersalsa]

I don't know why anyone shows that image of Corrie Sanders... In his next fight Sanders was smashed by Vitali Klitschko.

Vitali at his best was the Sam Peter fight... Vitali hadn't fought in 4 years so you'd think he was rusty as Hell...but unlike his brother, Vitali was a natural fighter. That's why Ray Leonard was able to take 3 years off and beat Hagler. Everything he did was natural and instinctive. Vitali rehabbed his legs for 4 years and said they felt better than they felt in 15 years.. Peter didn't lay a decent punch on him and VK destroyed the man.

Vitali had a 3-point round going in the 2nd round versus the 31-1 Herbie Hide when he knocked Hide out with a right hand... In fact he was leading on points at the finish of every fight in his career -- and the only retired Heavyweight Champion you can say that about.. Add to that he was never knocked down and the only avenue for criticism is disparaging his opponents and his athleticism -- which is how Vitali haters roll. He beat 6 World Champions and 5 undefeated Heavyweight Contenders.. The only fights he lost were due to injury, not be out-boxed.

Tyson was very hittable and got the trash knocked out of him by Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis -- before each of them knocked him out. They were all older than Tyson... One of the reasons they were so confident is Mike walked straight in, squared up, and was wide open for jabs and straight rights.

Vitali was the bed of a LOW LEVEL BUNCH. He wouldn't survived in no other era of big heavyweights.

Lewis caught Tyson at WASHED UP TIME.

Evander and Buster had the heart, speed and beat Iron Mike to the punch. Those are some of the traits Vitali would have lacked against Tyson.

[elmersalsa]

I don't know why anyone shows that image of Corrie Sanders... In his next fight Sanders was smashed by Vitali Klitschko.

Vitali at his best was the Sam Peter fight... Vitali hadn't fought in 4 years so you'd think he was rusty as Hell...but unlike his brother, Vitali was a natural fighter. That's why Ray Leonard was able to take 3 years off and beat Hagler. Everything he did was natural and instinctive. Vitali rehabbed his legs for 4 years and said they felt better than they felt in 15 years.. Peter didn't lay a decent punch on him and VK destroyed the man.

Vitali had a 3-point round going in the 2nd round versus the 31-1 Herbie Hide when he knocked Hide out with a right hand... In fact he was leading on points at the finish of every fight in his career -- and the only retired Heavyweight Champion you can say that about.. Add to that he was never knocked down and the only avenue for criticism is disparaging his opponents and his athleticism -- which is how Vitali haters roll. He beat 6 World Champions and 5 undefeated Heavyweight Contenders.. The only fights he lost were due to injury, not be out-boxed.

Tyson was very hittable and got the trash knocked out of him by Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis -- before each of them knocked him out. They were all older than Tyson... One of the reasons they were so confident is Mike walked straight in, squared up, and was wide open for jabs and straight rights.

Vitali was the bed of a LOW LEVEL BUNCH. He wouldn't survived in no other era of big heavyweights. Samuel Peter was not Mike Tyson. Who is that? Garbage?

Lewis caught Tyson at WASHED UP TIME.

Evander and Buster had the heart, speed and beat Iron Mike to the punch. Those are some of the traits Vitali would have lacked against Tyson.

[man]

Mike Tyson looked really bad and slow and was badly beaten up and stopped by Douglas when Mike was in his prime..

douglas had the night of his life and still
came very close to be knocked out by mike,
who was not so prime that evening.

[man]

douglas had the night of his life

Based on what exactly? The fact he beat a stumpy little guy almost 6" shorter than him, with a 12" shorter reach, who conceded 11lbs in weight?

and still came very close to be knocked out by mike

,
Not so sure on close to being knocked out, but close to quitting after the KD without doubt.

who was not so prime that evening

Hmm, a 23 year old who had boxed a total of 126 rounds in 37 fights was not in his prime. NAH.

i haven't seen douglas as sharp as
he was that night.
close to quitting after a KD is close
to losing by technical knockout.
tyson had obvious and severe issues
in his private life around this time. so
that night he was not very prime.

[Kalan]

Douglas was a China chin who was knocked out 5 times in his career... As often as Tyson was knocked out... But Douglas had already been knocked out 3 times, and by a super slow guy like Mike White, by the time he faced Tyson. But that knock down didn't do anything to Douglas.. He hit the floor in frustration and just listened to the count.. He could have gotten up immediately but he knew the round was about to end.

Then in the 9th and 10th Douglas continued his brutal beating of young Mike Tyson until the 42-1 underdog punched Mike right into the canvas.

If a 42-1 underdog beat a prime Vitali Klitschko up and knocked him out -- partisan Americans would use that to try to make him a laughing stock... As is is they try to use a fight where Vitali was beating an ATG Heavyweight on ALL SCORECARDS at it's conclusion -- to try to undermine him.

[gilgamesh]

I'll bet you saw Vitali vs Mike Tyson in theaters huh Kalan? So you know who'd win.