The Sun and Scouse Boxers

[TheGman]

Dya mean the innocent lad who got woken up early hours by police lookin to pin the blame on anyone? Your statements are absolute ridiculous,them families have waited 27 fckin years to grieve their loved ones who died that day cause of that rag that you are defending,its not feeling sorry for themselves its wanting to clear their family and friends names who went to a sporting event and never returned home cause of bad judgement by police then a scumbag paper prints lies about fans pi$$in on their own and robbing the pockets of the dead,so defending their name and passed ones names is not fckin feeling sorry for themselves d1ckhead

I'm not referring to the families of the Hillsborough victims with regard to anything I say, they have every right to bear a grudge.

I'm on about the thousands of others who are always bleating about something or other, the tens of thousands of dirtballs who celebrated Thatcher's death because she made tough economic decisions back in the day, the Anfield scousers who cry and moan when Utd fans sing Hillsborough songs but don't say a word when half the Kop are singing Munich songs, the campaigns and vigils to release the TWICE convicted yobbo in Bulgaria - if he didn't do it someone from his gang of scouse mates did.

You sound like a typical moaning crying Scouser.

Well im a dirtbag then cause that horrible witch went into that gym room at hilsborough with duckingfield and the rest of his crew for hours and made a story up of how to blame the fans so yes im one of them people from up here who sang "ding dong the witch is dead" when she died,oh and by the way you sound like a fckin d1ckhead,you will never know or realise what them families have gone through and are still going through until something like that happens to u. Oh and it didnt just happen in liverpool it happened to the miners the dockers the ship builders all of these probably celebrated when that cow died

[Counter-puncher]

Your statements are absolute ridiculous,them families have waites 27 fckin years to grieve their loved ones who died that day cause of that rag that you are defending,

I'm not sure how the grieving process was stopped by a Newspaper article, or indeed how suddenly 27 years later it can suddenly begin.

there was a fight for justic which has thankfully been resolved, but the idea that grieivng simply couldn't happen until that fight for justice was done? I don't get it. if my relative or loved one has died, am i really going to put grieving on hold because a newspaper wrote lies, that I knew to be lies, about them?

they have waited 27 years for justice, sure.

The fight for THE TRUTH and JUSTICE FOR THE 96 meant that the grieving process was marred thats what i meant i didnt mean it stopped them greiving. I just hate the way the ppl up and down this country think that families fighting tooth and nail to clear the names of those passed is judged as wallowing in self pity or jumping on a band wagon,

okay, marring the grieving process, that makes sense.

[TheGman]

Dya mean the innocent lad who got woken up early hours by police lookin to pin the blame on anyone? Your statements are absolute ridiculous,them families have waited 27 fckin years to grieve their loved ones who died that day cause of that rag that you are defending,its not feeling sorry for themselves its wanting to clear their family and friends names who went to a sporting event and never returned home cause of bad judgement by police then a scumbag paper prints lies about fans pi$$in on their own and robbing the pockets of the dead,so defending their name and passed ones names is not fckin feeling sorry for themselves d1ckhead

I'm not referring to the families of the Hillsborough victims with regard to anything I say, they have every right to bear a grudge.

I'm on about the thousands of others who are always bleating about something or other, the tens of thousands of dirtballs who celebrated Thatcher's death because she made tough economic decisions back in the day, the Anfield scousers who cry and moan when Utd fans sing Hillsborough songs but don't say a word when half the Kop are singing Munich songs, the campaigns and vigils to release the TWICE convicted yobbo in Bulgaria - if he didn't do it someone from his gang of scouse mates did.

You sound like a typical moaning crying Scouser.

Micheal Shields was given a full royal pardon as he was innocent actually. I have never heard a munich song sang at anfield ever. I guarantee up until the Hillsborough inquest verdicts where announced you where one of the people who believed the lies in the Sun because you clearly have a strange hatred of Scousers.

Well said aki,hope u stoppes feeling muscles now

[CaptainSpacerod]

Well im a dirtbag then cause that horrible witch went into that gym room at hilsborough with duckingfield and the rest of his crew for hours and made a story up of how to blame the fans so yes im one of them people from up here who sang "ding dong the witch is dead" when she died,oh and by the way you sound like a fckin d1ckhead,you will never know or realise what them families have gone through and are still going through until something like that happens to u. Oh and it didnt just happen in liverpool it happened to the miners the dockers the ship builders all of these probably celebrated when that cow died

Yes you are. Celebrating the death of an old lady who has different political opinions to you proves that.

Dockers, shipbuilders, whoever, aren't owed a living by the taxpayers. If it's not profitable it dies - it's called the free market but that's for a different forum.

You seem to wantonly ignore my insistence that none of the comments I make refer to families or close friends of the Hillsboro victims.

[bripez]

You really are a moron aren't you to try and say the rag is ran by different people then call it a ridiculous grudge, then to make a statement as sweeping as the average scouser has a self pity and victim mentality hardwired into their emotional make up.

I may be the most bitter Evertonian on the planet but we all had friends and relatives at that game, for then that rag to drag their name through the mud with lies and then wonder why we get annoyed that anyone would read the rag, I would love to see your reaction had a similar story involving people you know and see if it was a ridiculous grudge then.

I'm far from the internet hardman or keyboard warrior but i would love to see you say that to one of our faces you piece of poo

I don't think you will find many people who would disagree in principle with what you are saying, but getting aggressive and calling people morons doesn't help.

I haven't heard what Haye or Boomer have said, but if Boomer is trying to latch on to something in order to drum up support/publicity for his fight then surely that would be despicable.

The bit where I (and seemingly others) struggle is that many people seem to pick and choose what they want to boycott depending on what suits them - if you feel so strongly about reading the Sun, do you read the Times/Sunday Times, watch BSkyB, read any books published by Harper Collins or watch any films made by Twentieth Century Fox ?

Sporty Spice got some stick recently about a Sun article or something, yet Jamie Carragher is happy to be paid by the person who owns the Sun yet nobody says a dickie bird.

As someone else has said, there are different management teams/editors directly responsible for each publication. Although, yes, it is part of the same umbrella group and in some instances staff will crossover. But there is a more direct connection with The Sun and their ongoing atrocious 'journalistic' practices. Their refusal to put the Hillsborough inquest on the front page reveals just how despicable they continue to be.

And do you think that the Sun today has the same management team / editors that they had nearly 30 years ago ?

It can appear that some people boycott the Sun because it is easy, it doesn't take much effort or really affect their daily lives yet it gives them the feeling that they are making a protest.

However not many (actually I haven't met any) feel strongly enough to boycott Sky Sports !

Ps - this is not aimed at you personally, jut my experience of meeting people whilst working all over Liverpool for over 20 years.

[mfc_se15]

You really are a moron aren't you to try and say the rag is ran by different people then call it a ridiculous grudge, then to make a statement as sweeping as the average scouser has a self pity and victim mentality hardwired into their emotional make up.

I may be the most bitter Evertonian on the planet but we all had friends and relatives at that game, for then that rag to drag their name through the mud with lies and then wonder why we get annoyed that anyone would read the rag, I would love to see your reaction had a similar story involving people you know and see if it was a ridiculous grudge then.

I'm far from the internet hardman or keyboard warrior but i would love to see you say that to one of our faces you piece of poo

Well said. And has The Sun ever apologised? I certainly never heard anything. But I do remember their front page after the Hillsborough inquest (hint: the inquest doesn't get a single mention despite every other newspaper putting it on their front page):

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/7 ... wsrc%5Etfw

They apologised, sure they did. How could they not. Whether their apology was accepted is something else

They did, under a headline the real truth. Not defending them but just clarifying, and it was a long time after for the headline I remember anyway.

Always wondered, didn't the Star also report the same? I know a lot smaller paper but is that boycotted too?

[purpleaki]

I don't think you will find many people who would disagree in principle with what you are saying, but getting aggressive and calling people morons doesn't help.

I haven't heard what Haye or Boomer have said, but if Boomer is trying to latch on to something in order to drum up support/publicity for his fight then surely that would be despicable.

The bit where I (and seemingly others) struggle is that many people seem to pick and choose what they want to boycott depending on what suits them - if you feel so strongly about reading the Sun, do you read the Times/Sunday Times, watch BSkyB, read any books published by Harper Collins or watch any films made by Twentieth Century Fox ?

Sporty Spice got some stick recently about a Sun article or something, yet Jamie Carragher is happy to be paid by the person who owns the Sun yet nobody says a dickie bird.

As someone else has said, there are different management teams/editors directly responsible for each publication. Although, yes, it is part of the same umbrella group and in some instances staff will crossover. But there is a more direct connection with The Sun and their ongoing atrocious 'journalistic' practices. Their refusal to put the Hillsborough inquest on the front page reveals just how despicable they continue to be.

And do you think that the Sun today has the same management team / editors that they had nearly 30 years ago ?

It can appear that some people boycott the Sun because it is easy, it doesn't take much effort or really affect their daily lives yet it gives them the feeling that they are making a protest.

However not many (actually I haven't met any) feel strongly enough to boycott Sky Sports !

Ps - this is not aimed at you personally, jut my experience of meeting people whilst working all over Liverpool for over 20 years.

Why would people boycott Sky Sports. Sky never printed/reported lies about the victims. The Sun printed it and then never apologised til years later ( the most insincere apology ever may I add). The Sun is also just a vile paper anyway its constantly spouting lies even to this day about all sorts of things I wouldn't read it regardless. Rupert Murdoch is an arsehole but he never wrote that article or printed it THE SUN DID.

[Dixonian]

Will never know how bad the Bradford fire victims feel because nobody ever hears about it. Or the Heysel Italians. They're certainly good at campaigns the Liverpudlians.

I must have missed something... Were the Bradford fans accused of deliberately setting light to the stadium and then pissing on the dead?

You missed a lot then. No newspapers involved but a bad do behind the scenes that led to their deaths. Heysel?

Yes but they weren't accused of causing it were they?

[Dixonian]

I don't think you will find many people who would disagree in principle with what you are saying, but getting aggressive and calling people morons doesn't help.

I haven't heard what Haye or Boomer have said, but if Boomer is trying to latch on to something in order to drum up support/publicity for his fight then surely that would be despicable.

The bit where I (and seemingly others) struggle is that many people seem to pick and choose what they want to boycott depending on what suits them - if you feel so strongly about reading the Sun, do you read the Times/Sunday Times, watch BSkyB, read any books published by Harper Collins or watch any films made by Twentieth Century Fox ?

Sporty Spice got some stick recently about a Sun article or something, yet Jamie Carragher is happy to be paid by the person who owns the Sun yet nobody says a dickie bird.

As someone else has said, there are different management teams/editors directly responsible for each publication. Although, yes, it is part of the same umbrella group and in some instances staff will crossover. But there is a more direct connection with The Sun and their ongoing atrocious 'journalistic' practices. Their refusal to put the Hillsborough inquest on the front page reveals just how despicable they continue to be.

And do you think that the Sun today has the same management team / editors that they had nearly 30 years ago ?

It can appear that some people boycott the Sun because it is easy, it doesn't take much effort or really affect their daily lives yet it gives them the feeling that they are making a protest.

However not many (actually I haven't met any) feel strongly enough to boycott Sky Sports !

Ps - this is not aimed at you personally, jut my experience of meeting people whilst working all over Liverpool for over 20 years.

I see where you're coming from but I guess it's much easier to see the link. It's 'the Sun that done it'.

Personally, I don't like Murdoch or News International and what they stand for so I've always boycotted Sky and related publications.

[TheGman]

Well im a dirtbag then cause that horrible witch went into that gym room at hilsborough with duckingfield and the rest of his crew for hours and made a story up of how to blame the fans so yes im one of them people from up here who sang "ding dong the witch is dead" when she died,oh and by the way you sound like a fckin d1ckhead,you will never know or realise what them families have gone through and are still going through until something like that happens to u. Oh and it didnt just happen in liverpool it happened to the miners the dockers the ship builders all of these probably celebrated when that cow died

Yes you are. Celebrating the death of an old lady who has different political opinions to you proves that.

Dockers, shipbuilders, whoever, aren't owed a living by the taxpayers. If it's not profitable it dies - it's called the free market but that's for a different forum.

You seem to wantonly ignore my insistence that none of the comments I make refer to families or close friends of the Hillsboro victims.

Well my hate for the old bag that u refer to because of the tragedy and how she swept it under the carpet with lies and false stories,its obvious u dont like the people from liverpool and u have got an opportunity to vent ur dislike for the city,thats fine but dont cover it up,do you work for the scum by any chance?

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Micheal Shields was given a full royal pardon as he was innocent actually.

Is that so? I didn't know that.

I have never heard a munich song sang at anfield ever.

Come on Purps! Who are you trying to sell that to? That's their song for away matches then?

[mickey1975]

I must have missed something... Were the Bradford fans accused of deliberately setting light to the stadium and then pissing on the dead?

You missed a lot then. No newspapers involved but a bad do behind the scenes that led to their deaths. Heysel?

Yes but they weren't accused of causing it were they?

The club and the council were. Ignoring the Heysel comment?

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

You missed a lot then. No newspapers involved but a bad do behind the scenes that led to their deaths. Heysel?

Yes but they weren't accused of causing it were they?

The club and the council were. Ignoring the Heysel comment?

It would make sense (however evil...) and they could get out of a compensation claim against them. Of course it came to light the council and the club were smack bang responsible in their neglect of duty.

[ElJefe]

Will never know how bad the Bradford fire victims feel because nobody ever hears about it. Or the Heysel Italians. They're certainly good at campaigns the Liverpudlians.

The Bradford fire was a tragic, freak accident, a disaster of course but where is the need for a 27 year long campaign?

"What about Heysel?" is another classic shout from people who like to get their sly digs in at Liverpool. Firstly, you don't give a sh!t about the people who died there. Don't pretend you do. You, like thousands of others, use a disaster where people lost their lives to point score. Secondly, 14 people were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and 2 officials were given suspended sentences for negligence re: ticketing and policing respectively, English football clubs were punished and rightfully none more so than Liverpool. I am not for one second suggesting that that makes it okay, that it brings those people back or even that it makes it any easier for their families. What I am suggesting is that if you can't tell the difference between a freak accident, a tragedy for which guilty parties were made accountable and a tragedy that was met by lies, a government cover up and years of slander then it's either because you're a thick fvkcing idiot or you've got some weird, twisted hatred of Scousers.

"They're certainly good at campaigns" - You say that is if those families have enjoyed having to fight against an establishment cover up just to clear the names of their family and friends for the past 27 years. In case you hadn't noticed, they haven't fought so they can get their names in the paper, they haven't fought so they can get on TV, they haven't fought out of choice. Do you think that if the right people were made accountable immediately after the disaster that there would have been a 27 year campaign? Of course there fvcking wouldn't. They've struggled and endured an almost 3 decade long campaign but for some bizarre reason people like you would rather have a dig than respect their incredible achievement.

[Noxy]

The Sun were by no means alone in trying to blame the fans after Hillsborough. They were reporting the (mis)information being spread at the time, as were other papers, radio etc. The Sun were just more forceful about it, as they always are. Sometimes it works well for them but they shot themselves in the foot that time.

[mickey1975]

I don't care about anybody except my own family. Heysel looked wrong from what I saw, 14 scousers doing a few years isn't going to bring the victims back, either, no more than a few South Yorkshire police will do for the Hillsborough victims. And Michael Sheids... Never seen a man handle his jail so bad! Should have kept him locked up for all the crying.

[purpleaki]

Micheal Shields was given a full royal pardon as he was innocent actually.

Is that so? I didn't know that.

I have never heard a munich song sang at anfield ever.

Come on Purps! Who are you trying to sell that to? That's their song for away matches then?

You probably get a small minority of divys singing it on the coaches to away games or at old trafford. But never have I heard it on the kop. fornicating hell where lucky to get a Liverpool song started on the kop these days with the amount of day trippers that go.

[banjo]

Dya mean the innocent lad who got woken up early hours by police lookin to pin the blame on anyone? Your statements are absolute ridiculous,them families have waited 27 fckin years to grieve their loved ones who died that day cause of that rag that you are defending,its not feeling sorry for themselves its wanting to clear their family and friends names who went to a sporting event and never returned home cause of bad judgement by police then a scumbag paper prints lies about fans pi$$in on their own and robbing the pockets of the dead,so defending their name and passed ones names is not fckin feeling sorry for themselves d1ckhead

I'm not referring to the families of the Hillsborough victims with regard to anything I say, they have every right to bear a grudge.

I'm on about the thousands of others who are always bleating about something or other, the tens of thousands of dirtballs who celebrated Thatcher's death because she made tough economic decisions back in the day, the Anfield scousers who cry and moan when Utd fans sing Hillsborough songs but don't say a word when half the Kop are singing Munich songs, the campaigns and vigils to release the TWICE convicted yobbo in Bulgaria - if he didn't do it someone from his gang of scouse mates did.

You sound like a typical moaning crying Scouser.

Micheal Shields was given a full royal pardon as he was innocent actually. I have never heard a munich song sang at anfield ever. I guarantee up until the Hillsborough inquest verdicts where announced you where one of the people who believed the lies in the Sun because you clearly have a strange hatred of Scousers.

How many times have you been to Anfield? Granted I've not been for 10 years but in the 90's I were a regular and they did sing Munich songs when United were there, they also did the Steau Bucaresti chants to the blue shite as well, let's not pretend our lot are angels, football fans are generally uneducated yobbos.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

As far as apologies and making amends - News International built a massive printing plant in Kirkby, Merseyside as a gesture of amendment - I don't know if it is still there or how people who worked there were treated by people within their locality but unsurprisingly - that gesture is nowhere near enough.

The Sun deserve all the shit it gets, I remember in 1992 their 'It's The Sun Wot Won It' when they got John Major and the tories their election win over Neil Kinnock, showing the world their rag has power to influence people which it did in those days, so when they fornicate up to the magnitude they did at Hillsborough - then they deserve the eternal shite being flung their way.

[mickey1975]

Will never know how bad the Bradford fire victims feel because nobody ever hears about it. Or the Heysel Italians. They're certainly good at campaigns the Liverpudlians.

The Bradford fire was a tragic, freak accident, a disaster of course but where is the need for a 27 year long campaign?

"What about Heysel?" is another classic shout from people who like to get their sly digs in at Liverpool. Firstly, you don't give a sh!t about the people who died there. Don't pretend you do. You, like thousands of others, use a disaster where people lost their lives to point score. Secondly, 14 people were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and 2 officials were given suspended sentences for negligence re: ticketing and policing respectively, English football clubs were punished and rightfully none more so than Liverpool. I am not for one second suggesting that that makes it okay, that it brings those people back or even that it makes it any easier for their families. What I am suggesting is that if you can't tell the difference between a freak accident, a tragedy for which guilty parties were made accountable and a tragedy that was met by lies, a government cover up and years of slander then it's either because you're a thick fvkcing idiot or you've got some weird, twisted hatred of Scousers.

"They're certainly good at campaigns" - You say that is if those families have enjoyed having to fight against an establishment cover up just to clear the names of their family and friends for the past 27 years. In case you hadn't noticed, they haven't fought so they can get their names in the paper, they haven't fought so they can get on TV, they haven't fought out of choice. Do you think that if the right people were made accountable immediately after the disaster that there would have been a 27 year campaign? Of course there fvcking wouldn't. They've struggled and endured an almost 3 decade long campaign but for some bizarre reason people like you would rather have a dig than respect their incredible achievement.

You know nothing of the Bradford fire by the sounds of it, and I'm nobody's idiot.

[ElJefe]

I don't care about anybody except my own family. Heysel looked wrong from what I saw, 14 scousers doing a few years isn't going to bring the victims back, either, no more than a few South Yorkshire police. And Michael Sheids... Never seen a man handle his jail so bad! Should have kept him locked up for all the crying.

I literally acknowledged that it wouldn't bring people back. But that's the judicial system. It's not an eye for an eye. The difference is there was no cover up there, those convictions were made around 18 months after the event. The Hillsborough campaign took 27 years because it took 27 years to fully discover and prove the truth. And Michael Shields was given a royal pardon, he spent 4 years of his life in a Bulgarian prison for something he didn't do, honestly how the fvck else do you expect someone to react to that?

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

You probably get a small minority of divys singing it on the coaches to away games or at old trafford. But never have I heard it on the kop. effing hell where lucky to get a Liverpool song started on the kop these days with the amount of day trippers that go.

Fair enough, usually - The Munich songs at Anfield are always blamed on Wools and the Welsh.

'No Scousers ever sing those songs laaaaaaaaaar, you'll find it's those bad wools and Welsh and ey, you can't prove it either'

[mickey1975]

I don't care about anybody except my own family. Heysel looked wrong from what I saw, 14 scousers doing a few years isn't going to bring the victims back, either, no more than a few South Yorkshire police. And Michael Sheids... Never seen a man handle his jail so bad! Should have kept him locked up for all the crying.

I literally acknowledged that it wouldn't bring people back. But that's the judicial system. It's not an eye for an eye. The difference is there was no cover up there, those convictions were made around 18 months after the event. The Hillsborough campaign took 27 years because it took 27 years to fully discover and prove the truth. And Michael Shields was given a royal pardon, he spent 4 years of his life in a Bulgarian prison for something he didn't do, honestly how the fvck else do you expect someone to react to that?

No choice, get your head down.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

I don't care about anybody except my own family. Heysel looked wrong from what I saw, 14 scousers doing a few years isn't going to bring the victims back, either, no more than a few South Yorkshire police. And Michael Sheids... Never seen a man handle his jail so bad! Should have kept him locked up for all the crying.

I literally acknowledged that it wouldn't bring people back. But that's the judicial system. It's not an eye for an eye. The difference is there was no cover up there, those convictions were made around 18 months after the event. The Hillsborough campaign took 27 years because it took 27 years to fully discover and prove the truth. And Michael Shields was given a royal pardon, he spent 4 years of his life in a Bulgarian prison for something he didn't do, honestly how the fvck else do you expect someone to react to that?

No choice, get your head down.

[purpleaki]

I'm not referring to the families of the Hillsborough victims with regard to anything I say, they have every right to bear a grudge.

I'm on about the thousands of others who are always bleating about something or other, the tens of thousands of dirtballs who celebrated Thatcher's death because she made tough economic decisions back in the day, the Anfield scousers who cry and moan when Utd fans sing Hillsborough songs but don't say a word when half the Kop are singing Munich songs, the campaigns and vigils to release the TWICE convicted yobbo in Bulgaria - if he didn't do it someone from his gang of scouse mates did.

You sound like a typical moaning crying Scouser.

Micheal Shields was given a full royal pardon as he was innocent actually. I have never heard a munich song sang at anfield ever. I guarantee up until the Hillsborough inquest verdicts where announced you where one of the people who believed the lies in the Sun because you clearly have a strange hatred of Scousers.

How many times have you been to Anfield? Granted I've not been for 10 years but in the 90's I were a regular and they did sing Munich songs when United were there, they also did the Steau Bucaresti chants to the blue shite as well, let's not pretend our lot are angels, football fans are generally uneducated yobbos.

I've had a season ticket at anfield for about 6 years. Maybe years ago it was different I can't speak for the 90's coz I was only born in 95.